So, who't this Ryan chap then?
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But then, I wanted Huntsman so WTF do I know?
At least Huntsman wouldn't offend our allies... :laugh:
Never happen. Huntsman made the unforgivable sin of working with Obama. But a race between him and Obama would be something to see.0 -
LOVE this from the PP: Liberals rail on Romney for actually having a job and earning a lot of money, but Ryan is to be ridiculed for being elected to Congress (in a Democratic district) at the age of 28 and again every 2 years after that.
Actually Liberals rail on Romney for being an unethical prat in the job he did have, as opposed to simply having a job he was successful at. Whether or not he was said prat is another debate altogether.
Also, suggesting that republicans want to replace Medicare with a useful program is like burning someone's house down and then giving them a cozy cardboard box to live in.
The republicans don't need to replace Medicare. It just goes away once the ObamaCare death panel engine gets going!
Ethical Suicide Parlors, anyone?0 -
But then, I wanted Huntsman so WTF do I know?
At least Huntsman wouldn't offend our allies... :laugh:
Never happen. Huntsman made the unforgivable sin of working with Obama. But a race between him and Obama would be something to see.
I wanted him to break out in one of the debates and just say directly to the camera, "Look, I'm not going to bother debating these troglodytes who cannot even acknowledge basic science. It's gob-smacking to me that I am losing to the little Hitler girl, her crazy Paul Bunyan-esque racist Texan, that pizza guy who just says 9-9-9 over and over and calls himself Black Walnut, the little leprechaun stoner who wants us back on the gold standard, Newt...F*CKING NEWT!, Senator Man on Dog, and the Mormon Politi-bot (and I'm a goddamn Mormon!) that is Willard Mittens Romney. Honest to f*cking christ people. Are y'all that f*cking dumb? I'm the only one up here who doesn't take pride in my insanity and I'm losing to ALL of them? Y'know what? *kitten* you. You pick one of these idiots, lose to Obama again and then cry when he stacks the Supreme Court for the next 50 years. It's your own stupid fault. Or, y'know, we could try to look rationally at how to govern and rebuild trust in this nation. No? Ok, *kitten* you, you buncha red-neck inbred cracker *kitten*. Call me in four years if you want to get serious about being a national party again." And then walked off the stage.0 -
Really? Because that's SO many of our elected representatives.Well he's not bad looking for a spoilt rich kid, but he still needs to go back to driving the weinermobile and leave politics for people who have actually had to work for a living.
I'm aware. I'm not a Democrat, before you waste your time going down that road. I vote Green and Socialist.0 -
Really? Because that's SO many of our elected representatives.Well he's not bad looking for a spoilt rich kid, but he still needs to go back to driving the weinermobile and leave politics for people who have actually had to work for a living.
I'm aware. I'm not a Democrat, before you waste your time going down that road. I vote Green and Socialist.
So honest question here (ok, with a bit of facetious-ness because that's just me)... would you or are you going to vote for Roseanne Barr? Just curious because I don't think I have ever known anyone that votes for the Green Party and I'm curious as to whether she is a serious Green candidate or just there because there is no way in hell anyone without the R or D behind there name will ever win in a million lifetimes (I say this as a Libertarian leaning Republican that will most likely vote Libertarian as a protest vote).0 -
I love all the attacks on Ryan for not having a "real job." And the clown in the White House had a real job ... when?
By "clown in the White House," assume you mean the American people's choice as President of the United States. If so, here's his job history as near as I can tell.• Student, Occidental College/Columbia University, 1979-1983
• Business International Corporation, 1983
• New York Public Interest Research Group, 1984
• Community Organizer, Developing Communities Project (Chicago), 1985-1988
• Student, Harvard Law School, 1988-1991
• Editor, Harvard Law Review, 1988-1989
• President, Harvard Law Review, 1990-1991
• Summer Intern, Sidley & Austin law firm, 1989
• Summer Intern, Hopkins & Sutter law firm, 1990
• Illinois Project Vote, 1992
• Lecturer - Constitutional Law, Chicago Law School, 1992-2004
• Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland law firm, 1993-2004
• Illinois Senator, 13th District, 1996-2004
• U.S. Senator, Illinois, 2005-2009
• President of the United States, 2009-Present
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Obama's_job_history#ixzz23YPheUNa
And here's Ryan's, pieced together from his wikipedia article, all dates approximate:• Student, Miami University, 1988-1992
• Salesman, Oscar Mayer Corporation, 1991
• Intern, Senator Bob Kasten (R-Wisconsin), 1991
• Volunteer, campaign of Representative John Boehner (R-Ohio), 1991
• Staff Economist, Senator Bob Kasten (R-Wisconsin), 1992-1993
• Waiter, 1992
• Fitness Trainer, 1992
• Speechwriter, Empower America, 1993-1996
• Speechwriter, Dole/Kemp campaign team, 1996
• Staff, Senator Brownback (R-Kansas), 1996-1997
• Marketing Consultant, Ryan Incorporated Central, 1997-1998
• U.S. Representative (R-Wisconsin), 1999-Present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan#Early_life_and_education
If Democrats are talking about Ryan's lack of private sector experience, it's because there is a certain irony in an anti-government Republican who has worked for government* most of his life.
* Or political campaigns, or political think-tanks, or government contractors.0 -
Really? Because that's SO many of our elected representatives.Well he's not bad looking for a spoilt rich kid, but he still needs to go back to driving the weinermobile and leave politics for people who have actually had to work for a living.
I'm aware. I'm not a Democrat, before you waste your time going down that road. I vote Green and Socialist.
So honest question here (ok, with a bit of facetious-ness because that's just me)... would you or are you going to vote for Roseanne Barr? Just curious because I don't think I have ever known anyone that votes for the Green Party and I'm curious as to whether she is a serious Green candidate or just there because there is no way in hell anyone without the R or D behind there name will ever win in a million lifetimes (I say this as a Libertarian leaning Republican that will most likely vote Libertarian as a protest vote).
To be completely truthful, I've voted Green when Nader was on the ticket, but I'm far more likely to vote Socialist from here on out, if I bother wasting my time voting at all. I'm pretty well done with politics in this country and can't wait to move so I can be done with this country.0 -
Roseanne Barr is running on the Socialist ticket. If she won the presidential election, I'd be done with this country!0
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr
Roseanne Cherrie Barr (born November 3, 1952) is an American actress, comedienne, writer, television producer, director and 2012 presidential nominee of the California-based Peace and Freedom Party.
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In early 2012, Barr announced her candidacy for the Presidential nomination of the Green Party.[2] Barr lost the nomination to Jill Stein.[3] She then sought the presidential nomination of the Peace and Freedom Party, which she won on August 4, 2012.[4]
2. "Roseanne Barr for President!". Retrieved 1 June 2012. http://www.roseanneforpresident2012.org/
3. "Green Party Nominates Jill Stein for President". C-SPAN. July 14, 2012. Retrieved July 16, 2012. http://www.c-span.org/Events/C-SPAN-Event/10737432256/
4. Yoon, Robert (August 5, 2012). "TRENDING: America one step closer to President Roseanne". CNN. Retrieved August 5, 2012. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/05/america-one-step-closer-to-president-roseanne/
Looks to me like Roseanne is only going to be on the ballot in California. Peace and Freedom was on the ballot in Utah and Iowa in 2008, but hasn't qualified for any ballots other than California since. Even if she won California, she'd still be 183 electoral votes shy!0 -
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I f*ing LOVE this!! Hell, I don't really know him or his politics but unless there's something really out there about him, this would have gotten him my vote.But then, I wanted Huntsman so WTF do I know?
At least Huntsman wouldn't offend our allies... :laugh:
Never happen. Huntsman made the unforgivable sin of working with Obama. But a race between him and Obama would be something to see.
I wanted him to break out in one of the debates and just say directly to the camera, "Look, I'm not going to bother debating these troglodytes who cannot even acknowledge basic science. It's gob-smacking to me that I am losing to the little Hitler girl, her crazy Paul Bunyan-esque racist Texan, that pizza guy who just says 9-9-9 over and over and calls himself Black Walnut, the little leprechaun stoner who wants us back on the gold standard, Newt...F*CKING NEWT!, Senator Man on Dog, and the Mormon Politi-bot (and I'm a goddamn Mormon!) that is Willard Mittens Romney. Honest to f*cking christ people. Are y'all that f*cking dumb? I'm the only one up here who doesn't take pride in my insanity and I'm losing to ALL of them? Y'know what? *kitten* you. You pick one of these idiots, lose to Obama again and then cry when he stacks the Supreme Court for the next 50 years. It's your own stupid fault. Or, y'know, we could try to look rationally at how to govern and rebuild trust in this nation. No? Ok, *kitten* you, you buncha red-neck inbred cracker *kitten*. Call me in four years if you want to get serious about being a national party again." And then walked off the stage.0 -
Swanny Sez for effing Prez!0
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I love all the attacks on Ryan for not having a "real job." And the clown in the White House had a real job ... when?
Liberals rail on Romney for actually having a job and earning a lot of money, but Ryan is to be ridiculed for being elected to Congress (in a Democratic district) at the age of 28 and again every 2 years after that.
Liberals always resort to personal attacks because they never have anything substantive to say. There is nothing Obama has accomplished worth praising so all they have left is personal attacks, lies, and innuendos. It comes across quite desperate.
As for Ryan's proposal leading to Democratic wins during the special elections, I believe the visual of tossing Grandma over the cliff was quite successful. It doesn't get much dirtier than that but they are big boys so let the mudslinging begin. :drinker:0 -
Ryan is a congressman from Wisconsin. By republican standards, he is considered an "intellectual". He made his national reputation by pushing a budget plan that would dismantle both Medicare and Social Security, institute even larger tax cuts for wealthy Americans, increase defense spending and eviscerate all domestic programs. Ryan's proposed cuts are so severe, they have even earned him a rebuke from the US Catholic bishops.
His proposal to dismantle Medicare was instrumental in the loss of several republican congressional seats (in NY and PA) during special elections held after 2010. Romney's staff didn't really want him (if this story is to be believed: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/romney-picked-ryan-over-advisors-early-doubts). It is commonly believed that the choice was A) forced on Romney by conservatives in the republican base who still doubt Romney's conservative bona fides;
Combination of A and the fact that Romney has seen recent polls tilt dramatically towards Obama and felt he needed a "hail Mary" game-changer pick to create excitement--a la McCain's pick of Sarah Palin in 2008.
Ryan is also one of the leaders of the "your vaginas belong to us" faction of the US Congress.
Ryan is typical of the frauds who populate the "young lions" of today's republican party. After his lawyer father died when he was young, Ryan received Social Security survivor benefits --which he banked to help pay for his college education. Since he graduated from college, Ryan spent his entire career working in government jobs, and living off of "wingnut welfare" -- i.e. the Koch brothers.
So here you have a man who has spent his entire life living off the support of federal government campaigning against the "evils" of federal government support. Or as one columnist wrote:The man who wants to make the world safe for swashbuckling, risk-taking capitalists hasn’t spent a day at economic risk in his entire life.
Like many people whose moral development stopped at about the level of a 10-year-old, Ryan is a devotee of the writings of Ayn Rand. Like his soul mate, the merkin-haired son of Ron Paul-Sen Rand Paul of Kentucky--Ryan believes we now live in a world whereWe risk hitting a tipping point in our society where we have more takers than makers ...
in which--of course--the "makers" are the super rich and pampered yuppy larvae like Ryan (even though he has hardly ever worked at a "real" job in his life) and Paul, and the "takers" are this vague, faceless (but not colorless) horde whooping it up at everyone else's expense.
The interesting thing about the Ryan pick--good or bad--is that it will likely change the entire focus of the Romney campaign. Up to now, the entire focus of the campaign has been to make the 2012 election a referendum on the Obama presidency. Given the slow economic recovery and high jobless numbers, Romney figured he could just run as the "not Obama" candidate. Hence his refusal to make any specific proposals, refusal to release tax returns, etc.
However, with the choice of Ryan, the election will now become a campaign about ideas, and a choice between two definite visions for the future. Instead of just saying "Obama screwed up" over and over and over again, Romney is now responsible for all of Ryan's proposals. He must know support the dismantling of Medicare, privatization of Social Security, absurd budget projections, etc, etc. With the intense spotlight of a presidential campaign, those proposals will now be investigated with intense scrutiny.
It makes you wonder if the Romney campaign is truly that feckless or if they felt that desperate.
^ this.
Ryan is a dream pick for the Obama campaign.0 -
Ryan is a congressman from Wisconsin. By republican standards, he is considered an "intellectual". He made his national reputation by pushing a budget plan that would dismantle both Medicare and Social Security, institute even larger tax cuts for wealthy Americans, increase defense spending and eviscerate all domestic programs. Ryan's proposed cuts are so severe, they have even earned him a rebuke from the US Catholic bishops.
His proposal to dismantle Medicare was instrumental in the loss of several republican congressional seats (in NY and PA) during special elections held after 2010. Romney's staff didn't really want him (if this story is to be believed: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/romney-picked-ryan-over-advisors-early-doubts). It is commonly believed that the choice was A) forced on Romney by conservatives in the republican base who still doubt Romney's conservative bona fides; Combination of A and the fact that Romney has seen recent polls tilt dramatically towards Obama and felt he needed a "hail Mary" game-changer pick to create excitement--a la McCain's pick of Sarah Palin in 2008.
Ryan is also one of the leaders of the "your vaginas belong to us" faction of the US Congress.
Ryan is typical of the frauds who populate the "young lions" of today's republican party. After his lawyer father died when he was young, Ryan received Social Security survivor benefits --which he banked to help pay for his college education. Since he graduated from college, Ryan spent his entire career working in government jobs, and living off of "wingnut welfare" -- i.e. the Koch brothers.
So here you have a man who has spent his entire life living off the support of federal government campaigning against the "evils" of federal government support. Or as one columnist wrote:The man who wants to make the world safe for swashbuckling, risk-taking capitalists hasn’t spent a day at economic risk in his entire life.
Like many people whose moral development stopped at about the level of a 10-year-old, Ryan is a devotee of the writings of Ayn Rand. Like his soul mate, the merkin-haired son of Ron Paul-Sen Rand Paul of Kentucky--Ryan believes we now live in a world whereWe risk hitting a tipping point in our society where we have more takers than makers ...
in which--of course--the "makers" are the super rich and pampered yuppy larvae like Ryan (even though he has hardly ever worked at a "real" job in his life) and Paul, and the "takers" are this vague, faceless (but not colorless) horde whooping it up at everyone else's expense.
The interesting thing about the Ryan pick--good or bad--is that it will likely change the entire focus of the Romney campaign. Up to now, the entire focus of the campaign has been to make the 2012 election a referendum on the Obama presidency. Given the slow economic recovery and high jobless numbers, Romney figured he could just run as the "not Obama" candidate. Hence his refusal to make any specific proposals, refusal to release tax returns, etc.
However, with the choice of Ryan, the election will now become a campaign about ideas, and a choice between two definite visions for the future. Instead of just saying "Obama screwed up" over and over and over again, Romney is now responsible for all of Ryan's proposals. He must know support the dismantling of Medicare, privatization of Social Security, absurd budget projections, etc, etc. With the intense spotlight of a presidential campaign, those proposals will now be investigated with intense scrutiny.
It makes you wonder if the Romney campaign is truly that feckless or if they felt that desperate.
^ this.
Ryan is a dream pick for the Obama campaign.
Which is what the liberal mainstream media wants you to believe but then again they've had years of practice trying to spin Obama's "accomplishments".0 -
Which is what the liberal mainstream media wants you to believe but then again they've had years of practice trying to spin Obama's "accomplishments".
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Which is what the liberal mainstream media wants you to believe but then again they've had years of practice trying to spin Obama's "accomplishments".
Lol. Funny, you just proved my point in my previous post. If you don't mind, could you please tell me what Obama has accomplished over the last 3+ years?0 -
I love all the attacks on Ryan for not having a "real job." And the clown in the White House had a real job ... when?
By "clown in the White House," assume you mean the American people's choice as President of the United States. If so, here's his job history as near as I can tell.• Student, Occidental College/Columbia University, 1979-1983
• Business International Corporation, 1983
• New York Public Interest Research Group, 1984
• Community Organizer, Developing Communities Project (Chicago), 1985-1988
• Student, Harvard Law School, 1988-1991
• Editor, Harvard Law Review, 1988-1989
• President, Harvard Law Review, 1990-1991
• Summer Intern, Sidley & Austin law firm, 1989
• Summer Intern, Hopkins & Sutter law firm, 1990
• Illinois Project Vote, 1992
• Lecturer - Constitutional Law, Chicago Law School, 1992-2004
• Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland law firm, 1993-2004
• Illinois Senator, 13th District, 1996-2004
• U.S. Senator, Illinois, 2005-2009
• President of the United States, 2009-Present
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Obama's_job_history#ixzz23YPheUNa
And here's Ryan's, pieced together from his wikipedia article, all dates approximate:• Student, Miami University, 1988-1992
• Salesman, Oscar Mayer Corporation, 1991
• Intern, Senator Bob Kasten (R-Wisconsin), 1991
• Volunteer, campaign of Representative John Boehner (R-Ohio), 1991
• Staff Economist, Senator Bob Kasten (R-Wisconsin), 1992-1993
• Waiter, 1992
• Fitness Trainer, 1992
• Speechwriter, Empower America, 1993-1996
• Speechwriter, Dole/Kemp campaign team, 1996
• Staff, Senator Brownback (R-Kansas), 1996-1997
• Marketing Consultant, Ryan Incorporated Central, 1997-1998
• U.S. Representative (R-Wisconsin), 1999-Present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan#Early_life_and_education
If Democrats are talking about Ryan's lack of private sector experience, it's because there is a certain irony in an anti-government Republican who has worked for government* most of his life.
* Or political campaigns, or political think-tanks, or government contractors.
So glad you found this - quick on the draw there, TreeTop!
There are those who accomplished something important in their lives prior to entering into elected office (Barak Obama) and those who have worked hard just to get elected (Paul Ryan).
As for Ryan's hometown, see "As Goes Janesville at http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2012/8/14/paul_ryans_hometown_of_janesville_wi. His hometown recovers with federal aid the newly annointed GOP VP candidate claims to oppose. The contradictions in this man just don't stop!!!! It shouldn't take even the average coach potato long to see the mess under the covers, or jacket (maybe that's why he wears such a huge suit jacket), or thick hair.
Wow, what a pre-election resume that Ryan has though - logical too. Gotta say that. Notice how he became a short-term fitness trainer after his short-term waiter job.
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Which is what the liberal mainstream media wants you to believe but then again they've had years of practice trying to spin Obama's "accomplishments".
Lol. Funny, you just proved my point in my previous post. If you don't mind, could you please tell me what Obama has accomplished over the last 3+ years?
I'll answer for Colorado! While there is still work to do, Obama's federal leadership has certainly helped in Colorado where:
1) Every working family received an average $3,900 tax cut.
2) His auto rescue saved roughly 10,000 jobs in this state and the industry has added over 200,000 auto jobs nationwide.
3) We added 7,500 manufacturing jobs in Colorado since March 2010, and
4) President Obama signed 18 tax cuts benefiting Colorado small businesses.
And for the country, off the top of my head, under his leadership, the Bin Laden is no more.
As for Paul Ryan, I heard him "challenge" and spar from his high chair on a committee with Ben Bernanke the Federal Reserve Chairman. Oh oh, and I also know that his fiscal policy that he's trying to pass to drive a new way of American spending is roundly critcized by the Catholic bishops for failing to protect the poor and vulnerable. And Ryan's an anti-abortion right to lifer, Catholic on top of that! He wants them born but if they can't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, by god, they can live in Hoovervilles for all he cares.
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I love all the attacks on Ryan for not having a "real job." And the clown in the White House had a real job ... when?
By "clown in the White House," assume you mean the American people's choice as President of the United States. If so, here's his job history as near as I can tell.• Student, Occidental College/Columbia University, 1979-1983
• Business International Corporation, 1983
• New York Public Interest Research Group, 1984
• Community Organizer, Developing Communities Project (Chicago), 1985-1988
• Student, Harvard Law School, 1988-1991
• Editor, Harvard Law Review, 1988-1989
• President, Harvard Law Review, 1990-1991
• Summer Intern, Sidley & Austin law firm, 1989
• Summer Intern, Hopkins & Sutter law firm, 1990
• Illinois Project Vote, 1992
• Lecturer - Constitutional Law, Chicago Law School, 1992-2004
• Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland law firm, 1993-2004
• Illinois Senator, 13th District, 1996-2004
• U.S. Senator, Illinois, 2005-2009
• President of the United States, 2009-Present
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Obama's_job_history#ixzz23YPheUNa
And here's Ryan's, pieced together from his wikipedia article, all dates approximate:• Student, Miami University, 1988-1992
• Salesman, Oscar Mayer Corporation, 1991
• Intern, Senator Bob Kasten (R-Wisconsin), 1991
• Volunteer, campaign of Representative John Boehner (R-Ohio), 1991
• Staff Economist, Senator Bob Kasten (R-Wisconsin), 1992-1993
• Waiter, 1992
• Fitness Trainer, 1992
• Speechwriter, Empower America, 1993-1996
• Speechwriter, Dole/Kemp campaign team, 1996
• Staff, Senator Brownback (R-Kansas), 1996-1997
• Marketing Consultant, Ryan Incorporated Central, 1997-1998
• U.S. Representative (R-Wisconsin), 1999-Present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan#Early_life_and_education
If Democrats are talking about Ryan's lack of private sector experience, it's because there is a certain irony in an anti-government Republican who has worked for government* most of his life.
* Or political campaigns, or political think-tanks, or government contractors.
So glad you found this - quick on the draw there, TreeTop!
There are those who accomplished something important in their lives prior to entering into elected office (Barak Obama) and those who have worked hard just to get elected (Paul Ryan).
As for Ryan's hometown, see "As Goes Janesville at http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2012/8/14/paul_ryans_hometown_of_janesville_wi. His hometown recovers with federal aid the newly annointed GOP VP candidate claims to oppose. The contradictions in this man just don't stop!!!! It shouldn't take even the average coach potato long to see the mess under the covers, or jacket (maybe that's why he wears such a huge suit jacket), or thick hair.
Wow, what a pre-election resume that Ryan has though - logical too. Gotta say that. Notice how he became a short-term fitness trainer after his short-term waiter job.
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Why is Paul Ryan's work history being compared to Obama anyway? A proper comparison would be with Biden I think.
Let's stay focused. Romney is running against Obama. Not Ryan.
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