Former Marine Detained over Facebook posts
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When was the first you heard about Brandon?Even from his deleted posts, there was nothings specific that would classify him as a threat or a terrorist. He is being investigated for terrorism! He never posted a single word of what he would do or a plan of action. His did post what some would believe to be poetic phrases about 'sharpening a sword and bringing down a hammer' or it's 'time to start the revolution" and listing where he lived but he never once said anything specific that would pose a threat to this country. Every single thing he posted that is being investigated was extremely patriotic, yet anti-government.
Since the news story broke. One of my friends posted a link to an article. I really like this story here, it shows the support of his family,his fellow Marines and retired soldiers standing behind him. They sinple say :charge him with a crime or let him go.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/citizen-warrior/2012/aug/22/can-government-detain-you-over-facebook-posts/
Is it a coincidence that the statements he posted that were removed from his account were done so in September-November of last year, yet nothing was done to him until after NDAA was signed this summer, allowing US citizens to be detained without cause or trial?0 -
I don't know that he's a terrorist, but he clearly is mentally unstable.
There is probably some truth in what he says, but the Bushes raping and sacrificing children in Colorado? Even if you hate the Bushes, that's a little far-fetched.
Why is he mentally unstable? Because YOU disagree with his statements? So now if someone has a belief or opinion that differs from others you are mentally unstable... I have friends who believe that 9/11 was an inside job and that our government is run by Illuminati, does that make them mentally ill?0 -
Has anyone here been reading up on Brandon Raub? The former Marine and who is currently being detained for posting his opinions on facebook? https://www.facebook.com/groups/188319494633640/
I know some of his posts are whacky and honestly, I have several friends who post similar things. Saying you are going to lead a revolution does not qualify you as a terrorist! They are sick of the corruption of this government and are trying to make a stand. We have American citizens being killed by our own drones, American citizens being jailed for their right to free speech. Our Constitution is meaningless to our leaders and the people have NO control over the government.. Tell me why no one is doing anything about it?
I swear the more I see happening in this world the more I am starting to feel like I'm living the plot of V for Vendetta....
I can't look up Facebook here at work, but... Do you know what G.I stands for. Government Issue. When you are in the military, you have signed a contract and are expected to adhere to a stringent military standard. The expectation is even greater as a Marine. The motto "Semper Fidelis" means "Always Faithful".
There has been no draft for 40 years, so he apparently joined of his own free will. He needs to live up to the standards of the Marine Corps or get out.
When will people learn not to post every dumbass thought that passes through their mind on FB? It's not like this is the first time it has bitten someone in the a ss.
He is a FORMER Marine. As is no-longer in the military.
Roaddog, did you not swear to uphold the constitution? So when the the Federal Government stops doing so, does that void your oath to protect the people and the constitution?
I'm not in total agreement or disagreement. I'm a little on the fience myself, but.... FORMER Marine? When you joined the company you belong to, did you not sign a "Disclosure Agreement"? I did. Most people do. Marines do. I looked this story up and he did actually say some pretty bizarre stuff. Some could be construed as borderline terrorist comments. As for "Free Speech". It doesn't exist. Only in theory. Heck, I could, or you, can go on any thread here and shut it down, by making remarks that should fall under the guise of "Free Speech. Sometimes people need to show some restraint.
--to K8blujay2 -- when you join, you are obligated to 6 years. So if you are active for 4 years, you are still in the inactive reserve for 2 more years. And you're right. "Once a Marine, Always a Marine. I was a Marine. So was my Father. So was his Father. Semper Fi.0 -
While he may be "former"... and I may be getting this wrong, so those that have been or are in the military please correct me if I am as I am going off of memory from my dad('s) and my friends.... but I believe for so long after an honorable discharge, he may be called back. So perhaps he was within that time frame. And there is always the "once a Marine, always a Marine"... My father was a Marine... and in many senses he still is.
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.” -Theodore Roosevelt
I fail to see how he is not honoring his oath.0 -
I don't know that he's a terrorist, but he clearly is mentally unstable.
There is probably some truth in what he says, but the Bushes raping and sacrificing children in Colorado? Even if you hate the Bushes, that's a little far-fetched.
Why is he mentally unstable? Because YOU disagree with his statements? So now if someone has a belief or opinion that differs from others you are mentally unstable... I have friends who believe that 9/11 was an inside job and that our government is run by Illuminati, does that make them mentally ill?
Yes.0 -
What was the date when you were made aware of this?Since the news story broke.0 -
While he may be "former"... and I may be getting this wrong, so those that have been or are in the military please correct me if I am as I am going off of memory from my dad('s) and my friends.... but I believe for so long after an honorable discharge, he may be called back. So perhaps he was within that time frame. And there is always the "once a Marine, always a Marine"... My father was a Marine... and in many senses he still is.
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.” -Theodore Roosevelt
I fail to see how he is not honoring his oath.
So, you believe that the Bush's have a castle in Colorado where they ritually rape children?0 -
While he may be "former"... and I may be getting this wrong, so those that have been or are in the military please correct me if I am as I am going off of memory from my dad('s) and my friends.... but I believe for so long after an honorable discharge, he may be called back. So perhaps he was within that time frame. And there is always the "once a Marine, always a Marine"... My father was a Marine... and in many senses he still is.
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.” -Theodore Roosevelt
I fail to see how he is not honoring his oath.
So, you believe that the Bush's have a castle in Colorado where they ritually rape children?
No I don't and I don't have to agree according to a lost piece of paper called the Constitution. I'm supposed to have the freedom to believe what I want.
I have know people to think crazier things and not be detained for saying them or posting them on facebook.0 -
I don't know that he's a terrorist, but he clearly is mentally unstable.
There is probably some truth in what he says, but the Bushes raping and sacrificing children in Colorado? Even if you hate the Bushes, that's a little far-fetched.
Why is he mentally unstable? Because YOU disagree with his statements? So now if someone has a belief or opinion that differs from others you are mentally unstable... I have friends who believe that 9/11 was an inside job and that our government is run by Illuminati, does that make them mentally ill?
Yes.
He may or may not be unstable, but, he made some dumba ss comments and put himself under the scrutiny of the Feds. Maybe he should be, maybe he shouldn't, but maybe sometimes a person should use a little discretion.
If a person wants to pick a fight with the Federal Government and then hide behind their constitutional rights, well, good luck. Seems like a fruitless endeavor.0 -
What was the date when you were made aware of this?Since the news story broke.
It looks like my friend posted the original story I read last Friday.0 -
I don't know that he's a terrorist, but he clearly is mentally unstable.
There is probably some truth in what he says, but the Bushes raping and sacrificing children in Colorado? Even if you hate the Bushes, that's a little far-fetched.
Why is he mentally unstable? Because YOU disagree with his statements? So now if someone has a belief or opinion that differs from others you are mentally unstable... I have friends who believe that 9/11 was an inside job and that our government is run by Illuminati, does that make them mentally ill?
Yes.
He may or may not be unstable, but, he made some dumba ss comments and put himself under the scrutiny of the Feds. Maybe he should be, maybe he shouldn't, but maybe sometimes a person should use a little discretion.
If a person wants to pick a fight with the Federal Government and then hide behind their constitutional rights, well, good luck. Seems like a fruitless endeavor.
If this guy were not detained and he went on a shooting spree in, say, a midnight showing of Batman, people would be screaming and yelling that he wasn't in custody over his statements on FB.0 -
A: It's been proven...not theorized that rich powerful men who have that little fruity club out in California, I forget the name, do a secret ceremony called something like "The cremation of care" or close to that where they mock sacrifice a baby.
I often wonder why people hold conspiracy theorists as nuts. Clearly there are some very fruity theories out there, but after, let's see...
No WMDs in Iraq, The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, Smedely Butler's informing of congress that several industialists were planning a violent take over of our government in the 1930s, Iran Contra, the supression of the Iranian complaint to the UN that Saddam was using chemical warfare during the Iraq/Iran war, that CIA death squads trained rebels to over throw democracies in Central America in the 1980s, Pat Tillman's death, indefinate detention, the Japanese internment camps, the fact the the whole Bush admin lied about having no idea Bin Laden would use planes as a terrosist tool (CIA memo given to them in August of 2001 stating just that), Valerie Plame being outed from the CIA, Nixon, the Communist witch hunt during the cold war, and many more.................why don't more of you believe? What I just listed aren't theories, they are facts.
Strong theories are the JFK assination still being bull crap, RFK, MLK, Lincoln (several conspirators) and oh, I don't know, about a hundred more. So maybe this guy is off his rocker, I don't know, but he is no more crazy than the average citizen who thinks that our gov isn't capable of the most heinous corruption imaginable just because they are american. Hell, call me a conspiracy theorist, because I have a hunch no matter who we elect, if the CIA doesn't get the wars they want, the President gets a bullet in the head.0 -
If this guy were not detained and he went on a shooting spree in, say, a midnight showing of Batman, people would be screaming and yelling that he wasn't in custody over his statements on FB.
^^^^^^^Exactly !!
And, by they way, when you see a guy trying to board a plane in a turban and he is looking around furtively and sweating like hell, it may be politically incorrect to "profile", but it might be wise.0 -
So you read the story at that point and read Brandon's Facebook page at that point as well, on August 17th?It looks like my friend posted the original story I read last Friday.0 -
Hell, call me a conspiracy theorist, because I have a hunch no matter who we elect, if the CIA doesn't get the wars they want, the President gets a bullet in the head.
Yep, that's the way it works. I'm pretty sure the CIA produced the "The Adjustment Bureau" as a warning.0 -
If this guy were not detained and he went on a shooting spree in, say, a midnight showing of Batman, people would be screaming and yelling that he wasn't in custody over his statements on FB.
^^^^^^^Exactly !!
And, by they way, when you see a guy trying to board a plane in a turban and he is looking around furtively and sweating like hell, it may be politically incorrect to "profile", but it might be wise.
No doubt, but we can't make a reasonable argument about his detention until we have seen what "threats" he made. Some one said earlier that they were deleted, so all we are left with is conpiracy theory stuff, marine sayings, and a video of some chick with huge hooters on his FB page.0 -
Hell, call me a conspiracy theorist, because I have a hunch no matter who we elect, if the CIA doesn't get the wars they want, the President gets a bullet in the head.
Yep, that's the way it works. I'm pretty sure the CIA produced the "The Adjustment Bureau" as a warning.
Road Dog, check this out when you can. It will make you laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRykTpw1RQ 0 -
If this guy were not detained and he went on a shooting spree in, say, a midnight showing of Batman, people would be screaming and yelling that he wasn't in custody over his statements on FB.
^^^^^^^Exactly !!
And, by they way, when you see a guy trying to board a plane in a turban and he is looking around furtively and sweating like hell, it may be politically incorrect to "profile", but it might be wise.
No doubt, but we can't make a reasonable argument about his detention until we have seen what "threats" he made. Some one said earlier that they were deleted, so all we are left with is conpiracy theory stuff, marine sayings, and a video of some chick with huge hooters on his FB page.
Then they should charge him and take it to trial. But a LOT goes into something like that. It does take time and the prosecution isn't going to show its hand before it has to. They may also be doing some psych evals.0 -
And for the record, I dated a frat guy. They do some weird things and I really don't understand the point, so I'm sure similar things go on in more "adult" secret societies and there have been some proven conspiracies out there. No one doubts that.
But raping and killing babies in a castle in Colorado is still an out there idea.0 -
I don't know that he's a terrorist, but he clearly is mentally unstable.
There is probably some truth in what he says, but the Bushes raping and sacrificing children in Colorado? Even if you hate the Bushes, that's a little far-fetched.
Why is he mentally unstable? Because YOU disagree with his statements? So now if someone has a belief or opinion that differs from others you are mentally unstable... I have friends who believe that 9/11 was an inside job and that our government is run by Illuminati, does that make them mentally ill?
Yes.
He may or may not be unstable, but, he made some dumba ss comments and put himself under the scrutiny of the Feds. Maybe he should be, maybe he shouldn't, but maybe sometimes a person should use a little discretion.
If a person wants to pick a fight with the Federal Government and then hide behind their constitutional rights, well, good luck. Seems like a fruitless endeavor.
If this guy were not detained and he went on a shooting spree in, say, a midnight showing of Batman, people would be screaming and yelling that he wasn't in custody over his statements on FB.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? there is absolutely no reason to think this man would attack innicent people. You can't just arrest someone because you think they MIGHT do something like that, you have to have cause. This guy hates the corrupt government, not innocent people.
It seriously sickens me that people in this country have no care and place no value on their rights that have come at such a high price. It baffles me that one is willing to let the government watch them in any way, survey their homes, their computers, their phones and whatever else they'd like just because.0 -
And for the record, I dated a frat guy. They do some weird things and I really don't understand the point, so I'm sure similar things go on in more "adult" secret societies and there have been some proven conspiracies out there. No one doubts that.
But raping and killing babies in a castle in Colorado is still an out there idea.
I'll have to admit, I've never heard that one.0 -
Hell, call me a conspiracy theorist, because I have a hunch no matter who we elect, if the CIA doesn't get the wars they want, the President gets a bullet in the head.
Yep, that's the way it works. I'm pretty sure the CIA produced the "The Adjustment Bureau" as a warning.
Road Dog, check this out when you can. It will make you laugh.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRykTpw1RQ
Thanks. Bill Hicks is hilarious.0 -
If this guy were not detained and he went on a shooting spree in, say, a midnight showing of Batman, people would be screaming and yelling that he wasn't in custody over his statements on FB.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? there is absolutely no reason to think this man would attack innicent people. You can't just arrest someone because you think they MIGHT do something like that, you have to have cause. This guy hates the corrupt government, not innocent people.
It seriously sickens me that people in this country have no care and place no value on their rights that have come at such a high price. It baffles me that one is willing to let the government watch them in any way, survey their homes, their computers, their phones and whatever else they'd like just because.
Oh, honey ...0 -
If this guy were not detained and he went on a shooting spree in, say, a midnight showing of Batman, people would be screaming and yelling that he wasn't in custody over his statements on FB.
^^^^^^^Exactly !!
And, by they way, when you see a guy trying to board a plane in a turban and he is looking around furtively and sweating like hell, it may be politically incorrect to "profile", but it might be wise.
No doubt, but we can't make a reasonable argument about his detention until we have seen what "threats" he made. Some one said earlier that they were deleted, so all we are left with is conpiracy theory stuff, marine sayings, and a video of some chick with huge hooters on his FB page.
Then they should charge him and take it to trial. But a LOT goes into something like that. It does take time and the prosecution isn't going to show its hand before it has to. They may also be doing some psych evals.
The original comments were made in September and November of last year. It's been almost a year. By law, he cannot be held unless he is being charged, they are charging him with nothing. Well, I guess that constitutional law was over-ridden by NDAA and the fact it is now legal to detain people for no reason. Acoording to that new law, this guys family and friends can end up with him too. But hey, sacrificing people's freedom is the price you pay for investigating a so-called threat with no merit..0 -
As far as the Colorado Batman shooter goes. A picture is worth a thousand words.
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Judgin him based on looks isn't an infringement on his Constitutional Rights?0 -
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Judgin him based on looks isn't an infringement on his Constitutional Rights?
I wonder when they're going to pick up Ronald McDonald?0 -
As far as the Colorado Batman shooter goes. A picture is worth a thousand words.[img][/img]
Judgin him based on looks isn't an infringement on his Constitutional Rights?
No, I was just saying that is a seriously screwed up situation in itself. There are a million conspiracies around that shooting so I don't feel that using it as a legitimate crime or example is fair.0 -
As far as the Colorado Batman shooter goes. A picture is worth a thousand words.[img][/img]
Mandy, just because his ears, eyes, nose, face shape and eyebrow structure are different in the two pics means nothing. Look how different people look after they have been on MFP for a while! Quit being so crazy you whacky conspiracy theorist.0 -
This makes for interesting reading:
https://www.rutherford.org/files_images/general/8-22-12_Raub_Motion_to_Suspend.pdf
Also...his OTHER facebook account which is curious bereft of posts:
https://www.facebook.com/raub.brandon#!/raub.brandon?sk=wall0
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