Atheist or just Anti-religion?
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OH, i so so agree,
much much HAS changed for atheists today!!:bigsmile:
HUGE CHANGES IN JUST MY LIFETIME, i stand witness to the vast differences. I think most young atheists today have no idea how it once was for atheists,
not that long ago.
Many young atheists today
can not even picture what it was like
to be an atheist
in the pre-internet era...
to live for 30 years and only meet one (1)other atheist...................really, picture that.
no internet.
Can't find another anywhere.
so far as you know, you might be the only one!! (besides Dr Ohare on tv being pelted with eggs).
I still remember that moment
the first time i ever ever met another atheist..........i cried. And so did she.
NEITHER OF US HAD EVER EVER EVER MET ANOTHER.............both of us had suffered some forms of cruelty or what borders on abuse by others
for being atheist.:noway:
so yeah, i might have more passion about being PRO- BILLBOARDS FOR ATHEISTS than someone who has never experienced what i have.:laugh:
especially in religious countries like USA or Pakistan.
btw, there is no suchthing as a "christian atheist" so far as i know. But yeah, from belonging to a GLOBAL atheist community like ATHEIST UNIVERSE . NET,
i have met, and am now penpals with several exmuslims/atheists. The stories they tell would make you weep, and most must fake that they are believers,
or face beatings or even death.
In their countries, the church IS the govt,
which is always a bad bad thing......always.
TODAY, we atheists ARE far more accepted than even just 40 years ago.
MUCH progress HAS been made,
and today,
we do have well spoken atheists on tv,
most everyone today has met or at least heard of an atheist,
(huge change from even a few decades ago).
People ARE more likely to shrug nowadays
instead of react with rage or shock or wrath
when they meet an athiest...........it did not used to be that way.
Things have changed,
and i am ALL FOR atheists being more accepted nowadays!!s YAY!!! Yes, yes IT IS MUCH EASIER to be an out atheist now,
than it was when i used to come out and find my car keyed with the words, "YOU WILL BURN IN HELL"
and have coworkers leave the lunchroom when i came in, who'd previously liked me very much,
til they found out i was atheist.
In USA, atheists are even fired
for being atheist. :noway: A case not that long ago, and woman lost her insurance. Her employer stated he did not want anyone he knew to be atheist in his company. She died of cancer.
yet, things today, are MUCH better......and i am grateful for those who went first,
the bushbeaters
those who took the worst of the flack
for those to follow.
same as it was for women's rights, getting the vote for women, women in the workplace, those who went first,
took a lot of flack and even abuse.
same as it was for blacks, the first blacks to enter into all white schools, the first blacks to do this or that, took heat, and a lot of it,
but most of those things are now common place.
any minority or oppressed group,
be it blacks,
women,
atheists,
etc,
etc
who now enjoys more freedom
than they did in the past
owes a debt to those who went before
and beat the path for them to follow.
made it much easier for those who followed. Yes, being a young out atheist today
is nothing
like it was when i was a young out atheist...........shiver!! you would NOT believe the stories i could tell you.0 -
but yes, i so agree, with this remark:In terms of being anti-religion I would say in my case, no I'm not. I would defend peoples rights to believe what they like. 'The Church' on the other hand I can often find offensive. When 'organised religion' starts telling folk what to do rather than them trusting to good old fashioned common sense is when the trouble often starts.
but i AM anti-religion, (which is not the same thing as being hateful, or obnoxious, or violent, or not peaceful, but YEAH I AM " anti-religion", so what? What is anyone's problem with that???????
)
but, i can like the PERSON
even LOVE the person,
but not the IDEA they espouse, nor the impact those ideas can have on them, on my govt, etc.
I don't think i know any atheist
who does NOT HAVE friends, relatives, even lovers
of all various religions.
and yeah, like i said,
i will stand up for anyone's right to worship
so long as no children are harmed
and so long as it is NOT on tax-payer supported land or using tax-payer dollars in any way.
I don't want their gods rules listed in my courthouse, for example. The OP could not seem to understand why an atheist (or a religous person who IS for separation of church and state)
would mind stuff like having the 10 commandments in front of my local courthouse,
or having tax dollars spent on honoring some gods, etc.
since they don't even believe in the gods anyway...............
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BlueJean,
It's very hard to read your posts as they are so long and ranty, but I will do my best to respond with how I am thinking about these subjects, but it's hard to even know where to start.
First off I can tell right off the bat that you are taking the tone of the intolerant liberal that can't stand the idea that anyone would have ideas different than yours. You talk of freedoms, but your tone suggests otherwise. Your thinly veiled jabs that seem to suggest that I am not a real atheist and am just here to stir up trouble because of my misguided opinions after watching Fox News would be comical if they weren't so silly.
I think part of the problem stems from the fact that you've been brainwashed youself by what started out as a more decent political leaning and has degraded further over time. The Democratic party of which most liberals in the US identify has declined so far that they in fact stand for many of the things that are counter to true freedom.I do not want the govt burning or banning books, nor censoring history books,
not rewriting them to suit their agenda.
I do not want the govt shoving anyone's gods into my public places, my courthouse, my country's legislation.
I do not want the govt involved in private consensual sexual choices.
I do not want a govt involved in my uterus, or my decisions that are between ME and my doctor and whoever else i choose to involve in MY decision.
I do not want the govt banning birth control, nor denying birth control that can rightly be covered by insurance coverage.
nor who can marry who,
who can adopt who based upon who they have mated with.
I don't want your "small" govt getting into private family decisions about last wishes and end of life care.
I don't want your "small" govt getting to shove "creationism" into SCIENCE books, when there is zero evidence for it, it's NOT science.
You've got a few good points above. Burning books is never ok, nor re-writing history. Those particular issues however do come up much more often in LEFT leaning societies than right as a general rule. It's pretty typical in Communist, Socialist, National Socialist (Nazi), and Facist governments. All left leaning, regardless of the way that the political spectrum has been distorted by the propoganda in this country (I get so sick of Nazi's being referred to as right wing).
I don't want people's sexual choices to even be an issue, yet both sides use it politically to try to garner an advantage. Live and let live, I don't want that shoved in my face in either direction.
On the topic of health care and choices, you however are dead wrong. The larger government and the recent Affordable Care Act are the things that are going inject themselves into EVERYTHING that you do that involves a doctor. If you can't see that you are so blind it makes me sad for you. They WILL regulate everything that you do, make those end of life decisions for you family (believe me anyone that knows and deals with the VA already knows this...try having an older veteran parent and see what happens...). They WILL get between you and your doctor, they are already doing it.
On the topic of abortion (which I assume you are referring to based on your uterus comments) I don't see how any logical person can consider abortion a moral position, especially late term. This should not be a form of birth control, and it seems to me that you have the responsibility to protect that life. Nobody is trying to ban birth control, but the current administration is attempting to force groups to pay for it on their health plans, even though they are opposed to it based on their religion. If you truly believe that people can worship as they wish, you should be against forcing them to break their own doctrine to do what a government is FORCING them to do. That's similar to someone forcing something that you are opposed to down your throat and making it illegal to resist. Surely you can see that is wrong?
I like your points on being anti-religion but treating with respect. I totally get that. I also believe that generally religion has been twisted and corrupted to cause many wars, death and suffering, and many people follow what they've been told blindly, never questioning, which is sad. I still like many that live like this, many are very good friends of mine.btw, to the OP,
sorry about your a$# is all chapped by people's freedom of speech.
rofl.
ironic, isn't it?
Here you are, claiming to love freedoms,
but only for YOUR point of view.
See, that' isn't how freedom works. It's for everyone. Even atheists.
I am just against public displays of the gods on govt (tax payer supported) lands.
I'm not sure where you get that I am opposed to freedom of speech. I served and did my time to defend that right with my life if need be. What I'm saying is that I don't understand why people take the time to do something like protest crosses at a soldiers memorial or something similar. In death do these people not have the right to have their religious symbols displayed? Can we add more for equality? Sure I don't care, and as an atheist I wouldn't have a problem being buried in a national cemetary with neighbors that are displaying these symbols, I'd just be the plain grave next to them.The original founders of the USA govt, were people running FROM the mix of govt into religion,
and religion into govt.
The pilgrims initially wanted zero mix of the two, at all,
as they had seen how disastrous that ALWAYS becomes.
always.
True, over time, it did get messed up,
but morality and religion have zero to do with each other
I never said that the founders WERE Christian, but rather that many of the ideals that the country grew up with were the important areas of Christianity (and other religions like the Jewish faith) like don't murder, steal, cheat, etc. These are good basic rules, and make logical sense. We still see it in other areas as well, on money and monuments. Nobody wants a religious state, a totalitarian rule of any kind and nobody wants anarchy either (I'd hope) so a few basic rules are good in this sense.can you name a conservative position on any issue that you feel "makes sense"??
/gets popcorn,
cuz, i am betting you believe that rightwingers are better at budgets, but, the CBO disagrees. sorry, i should wait til you DO actually reply.
or, you can skip it, as there is already so much going on in this thread.
I'll go ahead and throw this out there and get the ball rolling I guess:
Abortion: I prefer the conservative stance on this. While the waters are muddied a lot by religion that the Christian element generally injects into the debate, I think that people need to take personal responsibility for their actions and not use abortion as a form of birth control. Late term abortions are pretty ****ing ghoulish if you ask me and just aren't right (if anyone has bothered to actually read about the procedure). Shouldn't a society strive to protect the smallest and weakest among us?
Immigration: Does everyone just blank out the word "illegal" when talking about this? I'm all for legal immigration into this country. Just about everyone comes from an immigant of some kind in this country. What I am against is when we ignore the illegal immigration that happens and then don't deport even criminal offenders that commit violent crimes. They don't pay taxes (something liberals overlook even though they LOVE taxes haha) and generally strain the systems for welfare, health care, police, etc and make it harder for people that are citizens to get help. The fact that Democrats are trying to make it easier for illegals to vote in a system in which they are not citizens sickens me. I welcome anyone that is an immigrant and wants to come here the right way.
Foreign Aid: I'm not sure why we support and send money to countries that hate America, and above all I think that the spending is a waste of time. We have enough budget issues and things we could fix in our own country first. If it were me, I'd immediately cut all foreign aid focus on America first. We can't keep being the world's welfare office, police force and everything else. And unless you have seen how our troops are being used in all kinds of ways beyond our high profile wars first hand, I'll ask you to reserve any comments, because I have and it's pretty shocking.
Healthcare: This government mandated monstrosity is a huge invasion of my rights to choose options for myself and family. I can tell you right now, when this comes to pass, I know for a fact that my employer will choose to ditch their healthcare plan, and based on rates current and projected I'll probably have no choice but to go with government subsidized healthcare.
Further because of over-regulation and anti-capitalist bent, competition has not been opened up to allow sales across state lines, as well as forcing types of service into the plans that I'd never want nor use, thus driving up my costs. Let companies decide what's in the plans and I'll buy what I want and need.
Military: A strong military is a must. The constant fight over the size of the military is something I think is stupid. Our forces should be large, well outfitted and used as a deterrant to our enemies. We should also use quick decisive firepower to end wars as quickly as possible. The fact that our military is generally hobbled to the point of being ineffective most of the time costs more lives on both sides.
Budget: We need to stop spending money. If I have no money to spend I don't go out and get more credit so I can buy more stuff. We need to dial back useless programs that do nothing to help people, stop aiding corporations with money (if they fail so be it...chances are they'll find a way to make it work like Ford did when they didn't accept a bailout), and get a budget under control. This goes for Bush as well, the bailouts were crap, but he's far from what I'd call a conservative. Obama and his mostly Democrat congress made it worse and now we're looking at the worst deficit in the history of mankind. Instead of making the decsions that make fiscal sense liberals always want to slash the military, police, firefighters, teachers (all scare tactics so that they paralyze the public into doing nothing, or getting behind the push for more deficit spending).
Welfare: I'm all for welfare for those in need. We have an obligation to protect those that cannot fend for themselves like the mentally handicapped, children, elderly. NOT some schlub that just doesn't want to work and pay his way. Welfare has been used as a political tool for far too long by liberals to make people dependent and beholden to the government, a quick way to secure votes. It makes it so much easier when someone running for election can just say "My opponent wants to take away your free cash!!". Well ****, who doesn't like free cash? The problem is that there are WAY too many able bodied people that are just gaming the system getting that free cash, that cash that rightfully belongs to tax paying citizens and those that are actually in need.
Taxes: Taxing corporations and the rich at the levels that liberals want right now is insane. When's the last time that you got a job from a poor person? Taxes cripple innovation, hiring, production and your average person's buying power. Taxes are another way to control people, and shockingly enough liberals in this country tend to want to raise taxes, but are always unwilling to make cuts where necessary and instead cut funding to essential services. Taxes always go up in this country and never go away. We should strive to lower taxes and allow more financial freedom to people of all classes. A Fair Tax should be implemented and everyone pay an equal percentage. And NO, I'm not rich at all, I'm firmly in the middle class.
There are many other points that you made that I'm not going to addess in this post, because it's gotten so long anyway. Once I slog through your responses I'll see what else there is to say.0 -
Lots of generalizations in that post, but I guess we have to start somewhere.
I've been an atheist my entire life, and have never considered it a religion. It is, however, indicative of a world-view that informs many of my beliefs and strategies regarding the way I approach my daily life. For many people, religion does that. My lack of religion doesn't do that directly, but is evidence of how I prefer to reason and make decisions.
I know many atheists on both "sides" of the political debate, and I believe the reason why liberal atheists speak out more is because it is simply more widely accepted in their circles. Most atheists I know do not worship the state. In fact, most people I know who are skeptical about religion are also skeptical about authority figures and constructs.
Many people take for granted that the US is a Christian Nation, when there is in fact very little evidence for that, overall. Those who point that out are seen as rabble-rousers and bullies, but many are just approaching it from the perspective of reason. As for the people screaming on TV about how there shouldn't be any Christian symbols or expression anywhere- I believe those people are simply lashing back against what they perceive as a mistake in the way many people form a national identity around Christianity. When atheists want to express an idea publicly, it is often met with a lot of controversy and reactionary hostility. Honestly, even if someone of unknown religious affiliation expressed a secular idea publicly, he or she is often met with equal hostility (though "secular" and "atheist" are not in any way beholden to one another). While I don't agree with the approach that some atheists take to be heard, I do understand the frustration.
Brilliant post. I consider myself both Atheist and anti-religion, but only because I believe religion isn't truly a "harmless fantasy" that doesn't affect me. When I can be fired from a job for being Atheist, or I am not represented in Congress because my lack of religion is so "evil," I realize how harmful religion is. When I see wars start, laws pass, and murders and rape occur because of religion, I stay anti-religion. And even, on what many people argue is, "Well, it just makes them feel better. Why can't you let them have what they have and just leave them alone?"... well, I see people wasting their own lives, not truly living, waiting for something to come that won't. I see people that follow guidelines in a book that are hindering their true potential, because a person is too afraid to think for themselves, enjoy themselves, love the person they truly want to live... because they're waiting for a fantasy land to come that won't.
So, I'm both Atheist and anti-religion, because anything that can make someone feel good from religion--the balm that there's "more than this," the idea that they're "unconditionally loved," or (one of my personal favorites), "the words move them"--CAN be found elsewhere in this world. People are too lazy to find it, or don't want to question this.
Also, I didn't read this whole thread, but I'm feeling flames.0 -
Holy ****, OP is a troll come from under the bridge. "A large military is a must." You ask why we "support countries" that "hate America" but don't realize that our huge *kitten* military occupying other countries is why they do? Really?
EDIT: Wow, and OP is a Vet? Def. a diggit, I see...0 -
You obviously have no real experience with the military. The military is not some huge machine that wakes up every day and says "Huh, I think I'll go **** with some other country". Politicians are the ones that send our troops into places and "aid" whichever side they think is right. And both sides of the fence use troops in equal measure, you just only hear about the times when a Republican sends them in...never mind that we STILL have troops rotation in and out of Bosnia and Kosovo, even though Clinton specifically said that we'd only be there for a while....that was HOW many years ago?
I am all for pulling out of every country that we currently are in, telling the UN to **** off and stationing all of our troops within our borders.
The fact that you don't realize, or at least don't seem to, that many of these places that we are in now truly do hate American, and they'd just as soon come in and kill every last atheist as they would christian. There is real evil out there and it does have a religious angle, but we only generally see atheists targeting christianity as a major problem.
Whatever though, I guess it's impossible to share the same theological ideas (or lack there of if you will) and have differing opinions politically. I see.... I would have thought that at least in an atheist forum there'd be more rational and logical discussion and a lot less brainwashed zombies shambling around. I guess that thinking for yourself is just lip service?0 -
To Maril,
thank you for reading and replying.
sorry if you found my posts too long,
i do type at 100wpm,
and i can read entire BOOKS
so a few paragraphs,
or one thread on an internet site,
is nothing to me. But many ppl today DO have twitter-level att'n spans, and balk at even trying to focus on reading
entire paragraphs.
I am have not yet read your post in it's entirty,
but, will just reply as i go.First off I can tell right off the bat that you are taking the tone of the intolerant liberal that can't stand the idea that anyone would have ideas different than yours.
this is an interesting remark,
from a guy who opposes ppl putting up billboards to express their views, who is against that freedom.
but perhaps the irony there is lost on you.
It's also sad,
that you feel the need to label me as 'intolerant' of different ideas,
when i clearly state i am against irrational behaviors and beliefs.
I "stand the idea" every day of my life, religion is all around me.
Show me even one atheist in the USA who is not surrounded by religion every day.You talk of freedoms, but your tone suggests otherwise.
feel free to quote the remark of mine,
that is not for freedoms.
Again,
i have taken pains to point out,
and again, in even greater detail HERE
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http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/726666-i-am-anti-religion-so-what
that i am not against the expression of religion
but
i am against mixing religion into govt.
SO WHAT??The Democratic party of which most liberals in the US identify has declined so far that they in fact stand for many of the things that are counter to true freedom.
NAME ONE.
be specific,
name a freedom that the DEMOCRATS alone,
as a party platform specific to DEMOCRATS
are pushing to remove.
SPECIFICALLY NAME A FREEDOM YOU FEEL THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM YOU.
not a freedom you feel the govt in general has removed from you,
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Those particular issues however do come up much more often in LEFT leaning societies than right as a general rule
It's pretty typical in Communist, Socialist, National Socialist (Nazi), and Facist governments
I agree that cencorship IS part of facist govts, but not necessarily socialist govts. Please list any modern industrialized nation,
whose govt is not at least partly socialist?
The USA has always always been partly socialist. Your public schools, libraries, armies, NASA, electrical grids, aviation controller depts, sewer systems, highways systems, fire depts, food safety depts, engineering depts of the govt,
are all just a few of the 100s and 100s of socialist features to the USA.
Ppl who watch faux news *seem to*
think of socialism as a "bad" thing,..........odd.
and seem oblivious to the 100s and 100s of socialist agencies in the USA that they much enjoy...............odd.
I feel the republican party
has been invaded by facists, though.
NAME ONE democrat legislator who has burned books. The GOP vp nominee
Sarah Palin, did attempt to ban books in Alaska libraries. The Texas republicans in charge of our history books, are the ones rewriting the history books to fit their agenda,
not the democrats. WHY all of our nations textbooks,
all have to be approved by Texas,(?)
is something i do not understand......this is NOT just books that students in TEXAS will be given,
but the entire nation's student body.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/tea-party-tennessee-textbooks-slavery_n_1224157.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/education/21textbooks.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1346869714-JPhEVTe/8L4jNQVzdqDtxw
see, this kind of crap is done by republicans,
not democrats.(I get so sick of Nazi's being referred to as right wing).
i imagine you would,
yet, it was a rightwing and christian extremist movement or form of govt. They would have also though atheists should not be putting up billboards, btw. lol0 -
I don't want people's sexual choices to even be an issue, yet both sides use it politically to try to garner an advantage.
i agree with you,
that sexual choices should not be an issue,
yet,
with one political party
trying to keep gays oppressed,
it IS an issue.
i think the american voter has the right to know,
that republicans are for oppressing gays.Live and let live, I don't want that shoved in my face in either direction.
sorry,
but i don't exactly understand what you mean by having it shoved in your face.(?) I feel how each party DOES vote on gay rights,
is something the american voter SHOULD know.
I do not think
that hiding the fact that the GOP is against gay rights,
is the solution to your discomfort about hearing about that topic.0 -
Ugh, this is so not worth my time.
AGAIN I am not against the billboards I just find it silly to even bother attacking religion in such a way. As an atheist I find that this is an illogical waste of money and does NOTHING to help people make rational decisions, but rather paints all atheists as religion hating, hate spewing nut jobs. THAT is what I take acception with, NOT their right to do so. You may type at 100WPM but your reading comprehension is not that great.
Also it's not that I have a short attention span, but rather your formatting just plain sucks and is hard to read.
And as far as the Democratic party, I take issue with the things that they are IMPOSING on the people now (e.g. Healthcare laws) that WILL restrict my choice to make my own decisions (and you are an idiot if you don't see that coming) and the fact that their new platform specifically includes language to allow the government to subsidize and pay for things like abortion.
The party has been declining for years, not to mention its past issues attempting to repleal many pieces of civil rights and voter protection laws that were championed by the Republican party. This is a long history of oppression and that is something that you can't escape no matter how much the DNC wants to rewrite history.
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
October 13, 1858
During Lincoln-Douglas debates, U.S. Senator Stephen Douglas (D-IL) states: “I do not regard the Negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever”; Douglas became Democratic Party’s 1860 presidential nominee
April 16, 1862
President Lincoln signs bill abolishing slavery in District of Columbia; in Congress, 99% of Republicans vote yes, 83% of Democrats vote no
July 17, 1862
Over unanimous Democrat opposition, Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”
January 31, 1865
13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. House with unanimous Republican support, intense Democrat opposition
April 8, 1865
13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support, 63% Democrat opposition
November 22, 1865
Republicans denounce Democrat legislature of Mississippi for enacting “black codes,” which institutionalized racial discrimination
February 5, 1866
U.S. Rep. Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) introduces legislation, successfully opposed by Democrat President Andrew Johnson, to implement “40 acres and a mule” relief by distributing land to former slaves
April 9, 1866
Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Johnson’s veto; Civil Rights Act of 1866, conferring rights of citizenship on African-Americans, becomes law
May 10, 1866
U.S. House passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens; 100% of Democrats vote no
June 8, 1866
U.S. Senate passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the law to all citizens; 94% of Republicans vote yes and 100% of Democrats vote no
January 8, 1867
Republicans override Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of law granting voting rights to African-Americans in D.C.
July 19, 1867
Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of legislation protecting voting rights of African-Americans
March 30, 1868
Republicans begin impeachment trial of Democrat President Andrew Johnson, who declared: “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government of white men”
September 12, 1868
Civil rights activist Tunis Campbell and 24 other African-Americans in Georgia Senate, every one a Republican, expelled by Democrat majority; would later be reinstated by Republican Congress
October 7, 1868
Republicans denounce Democratic Party’s national campaign theme: “This is a white man’s country: Let white men rule”
October 22, 1868
While campaigning for re-election, Republican U.S. Rep. James Hinds (R-AR) is assassinated by Democrat terrorists who organized as the Ku Klux Klan
December 10, 1869
Republican Gov. John Campbell of Wyoming Territory signs FIRST-in-nation law granting women right to vote and to hold public office
February 3, 1870
After passing House with 98% Republican support and 97% Democrat opposition, Republicans’ 15th Amendment is ratified, granting vote to all Americans regardless of race
May 31, 1870
President U.S. Grant signs Republicans’ Enforcement Act, providing stiff penalties for depriving any American’s civil rights
June 22, 1870
Republican Congress creates U.S. Department of Justice, to safeguard the civil rights of African-Americans against Democrats in the South
September 6, 1870
Women vote in Wyoming, in FIRST election after women’s suffrage signed into law by Republican Gov. John Campbell
February 28, 1871
Republican Congress passes Enforcement Act providing federal protection for African-American voters
April 20, 1871
Republican Congress enacts the Ku Klux Klan Act, outlawing Democratic Party-affiliated terrorist groups which oppressed African-Americans
October 10, 1871
Following warnings by Philadelphia Democrats against black voting, African-American Republican civil rights activist Octavius Catto murdered by Democratic Party operative; his military funeral was attended by thousands
October 18, 1871
After violence against Republicans in South Carolina, President Ulysses Grant deploys U.S. troops to combat Democrat terrorists who formed the Ku Klux Klan
November 18, 1872
Susan B. Anthony arrested for voting, after boasting to Elizabeth Cady Stanton that she voted for “the Republican ticket, straight”
January 17, 1874
Armed Democrats seize Texas state government, ending Republican efforts to racially integrate government
September 14, 1874
Democrat white supremacists seize Louisiana statehouse in attempt to overthrow racially-integrated administration of Republican Governor William Kellogg; 27 killed
March 1, 1875
Civil Rights Act of 1875, guaranteeing access to public accommodations without regard to race, signed by Republican President U.S. Grant; passed with 92% Republican support over 100% Democrat opposition
January 10, 1878
U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate guaranteed its approval in 1919. Republicans foil Democratic efforts to keep women in the kitchen, where they belong
February 8, 1894
Democrat Congress and Democrat President Grover Cleveland join to repeal Republicans’ Enforcement Act, which had enabled African-Americans to vote
January 15, 1901
Republican Booker T. Washington protests Alabama Democratic Party’s refusal to permit voting by African-Americans
May 29, 1902
Virginia Democrats implement new state constitution, condemned by Republicans as illegal, reducing African-American voter registration by 86%
February 12, 1909
On 100th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s birth, African-American Republicans and women’s suffragists Ida Wells and Mary Terrell co-found the NAACP
May 21, 1919
Republican House passes constitutional amendment granting women the vote with 85% of Republicans in favor, but only 54% of Democrats; in Senate, 80% of Republicans would vote yes, but almost half of Democrats no
August 18, 1920
Republican-authored 19th Amendment, giving women the vote, becomes part of Constitution; 26 of the 36 states to ratify had Republican-controlled legislatures
January 26, 1922
House passes bill authored by U.S. Rep. Leonidas Dyer (R-MO) making lynching a federal crime; Senate Democrats block it with filibuster
June 2, 1924
Republican President Calvin Coolidge signs bill passed by Republican Congress granting U.S. citizenship to all Native Americans
October 3, 1924
Republicans denounce three-time Democrat presidential nominee William Jennings Bryan for defending the Ku Klux Klan at 1924 Democratic National Convention
June 12, 1929
First Lady Lou Hoover invites wife of U.S. Rep. Oscar De Priest (R-IL), an African-American, to tea at the White House, sparking protests by Democrats across the country
August 17, 1937
Republicans organize opposition to former Ku Klux Klansman and Democrat U.S. Senator Hugo Black, appointed to U.S. Supreme Court by FDR; his Klan background was hidden until after confirmation
June 24, 1940
Republican Party platform calls for integration of the armed forces; for the balance of his terms in office, FDR refuses to order it
August 8, 1945
Republicans condemn Harry Truman’s surprise use of the atomic bomb in Japan. The whining and criticism goes on for years. It begins two days after the Hiroshima bombing, when former Republican President Herbert Hoover writes to a friend that “The use of the atomic bomb, with its indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul.”
September 30, 1953
Earl Warren, California’s three-term Republican Governor and 1948 Republican vice presidential nominee, nominated to be Chief Justice; wrote landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education
November 25, 1955
Eisenhower administration bans racial segregation of interstate bus travel
March 12, 1956
Ninety-seven Democrats in Congress condemn Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledge to continue segregation
June 5, 1956
Republican federal judge Frank Johnson rules in favor of Rosa Parks in decision striking down “blacks in the back of the bus” law
November 6, 1956
African-American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy vote for Republican Dwight Eisenhower for President
September 9, 1957
President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republican Party’s 1957 Civil Rights Act
September 24, 1957
Sparking criticism from Democrats such as Senators John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, President Dwight Eisenhower deploys the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, AR to force Democrat Governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools
May 6, 1960
President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats
May 2, 1963
Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights
September 29, 1963
Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School
June 9, 1964
Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate
June 10, 1964
Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) criticizes Democrat filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act, calls on Democrats to stop opposing racial equality. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed.
August 4, 1965
Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) overcomes Democrat attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act; 94% of Senate Republicans vote for landmark civil right legislation, while 27% of Democrats oppose. Voting Rights Act of 1965, abolishing literacy tests and other measures devised by Democrats to prevent African-Americans from voting, signed into law; higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats vote in favor
February 19, 1976
President Gerald Ford formally rescinds President Franklin Roosevelt’s notorious Executive Order authorizing internment of over 120,000 Japanese-Americans during WWII
September 15, 1981
President Ronald Reagan establishes the White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities, to increase African-American participation in federal education programs
June 29, 1982
President Ronald Reagan signs 25-year extension of 1965 Voting Rights Act
August 10, 1988
President Ronald Reagan signs Civil Liberties Act of 1988, compensating Japanese-Americans for deprivation of civil rights and property during World War II internment ordered by FDR
November 21, 1991
President George H. W. Bush signs Civil Rights Act of 1991 to strengthen federal civil rights legislation
August 20, 1996
Bill authored by U.S. Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY) to prohibit racial discrimination in adoptions, part of Republicans’ Contract With America, becomes law
And let’s not forget the words of liberal icon Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood…We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population….
Go ahead and keep your head in the sand and act like you are and think that you are supporting a "moral" party because they tend to have more atheists or religion haters, but in the end when it comes down to it, sure seems to me that the Republican party has stood for more freedoms than Democrats ever have.
It's ok, I support your right to believe anything you want. I'll just go find people that are a bit more rational to talk to issues about.0 -
On the topic of health care and choices, you however are dead wrong. The larger government and the recent Affordable Care Act are the things that are going inject themselves into EVERYTHING that you do that involves a doctor
Interesting point of view
for a guy who is for the party that wants to be Masters of The Uterus,
ban some forms of birth control, and get really involved in cases like Terry Shiavo end of life care,
and get between a woman and her doctor.
I disagree that having some regulation to protect me from 'for-profit' insurance companies is bad.If you can't see that you are so blind it makes me sad for you.
ah, here we go.
I should stop here,
cuz you get your 'facts'
from clusterfox news and similar rightwing infomercials which masquerade as "news"........
and i really DO know better than to waste my time debating a rightwinger........
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On the topic of health care and choices, you however are dead wrong. The larger government and the recent Affordable Care Act are the things that are going inject themselves into EVERYTHING that you do that involves a doctor
Interesting point of view
for a guy who is for the party that wants to be Masters of The Uterus,
ban some forms of birth control, and get really involved in cases like Terry Shiavo end of life care,
and get between a woman and her doctor.
I disagree that having some regulation to protect me from 'for-profit' insurance companies is bad.If you can't see that you are so blind it makes me sad for you.
ah, here we go.
I should stop here,
cuz you get your 'facts'
from clusterfox news and similar rightwing infomercials which masquerade as "news"........
and i really DO know better than to waste my time debating a rightwinger........
You can sit there and act like you know what's going to happen, I'm not sure if you've actually had any experience with socialized medicine, or government healthcare, and I can tell you that I do first hand. I get much better care, more control over who I see and where I go without all the government red tape getting in the way.
You fit the definition to a T of the angry liberal, and you can sit and think all day that I fit the stereotype of a facist conservative. It's really not worth the brain power to debate on any issue.0 -
ah, Maril,
i see you are replying,
i haven't yet even read all of your orginal reply,
so i guess i will be behind.
HOwever, i did skim your most recent reply,
and note
you are now calling me names, "idiot" etc.
I have not even yet tackled the whole health care debate in a reply yet,
but, i have much to say on that, which are undeniable facts.
however,
Name calling is a grade school level of debate tactic,
and Maril,
once you graduate 8th grade,
bullying is no longer effective tactic, although it IS much espoused by several Faux news pundints, like Bill Oreilly.
however,
i feel you resorting to name calling
says more about you
than me.
The first to run out of ideas
is the first to throw a stone.
and that includes verbal stone throwing,
it says more about you
than me.0 -
Nobody is trying to ban birth control
^this remarks shows you do not have a good understanding
of Ryan's proposed "Personhood" FEDERAL ammendment. Even the exxtremely conservative Mississippi voters found the state version of a personhood ammendment,
ONCE THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS INVOLVED there,
voted against it.
do read up on the multiple types of birth control,
like the I.U.D. for example,
which could be banned by such a drastic measure.
I am PRO-CHOICE. I feel each woman has a right to decide if she will carry a fetus to term. Most late term abortions are done for very sad reasons, including life of the mother.
Late term abortions are the decision of that woman, and her doctor,
and i do not want the govt involved in that decision.
DO YOU?
The GOP is very very obsessed with this, and the overwhelming majority of the legislation they put forth since 2010,
has all focused on being Masters of The Uterus..........NOT jobs jobs jobs like they ran on,
nope!
but on getting between a woman and her doctor.
But, all doctors who perform late term abortions in the USA,
have been killed by rightwing terrorists,
and today,
in the USA,
there are now only two (2) physicians who perform late term abortions
for the entire nation.
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Nobody is trying to ban birth control, but the current administration is attempting to force groups to pay for it on their health plans, even though they are opposed to it based on their religion.
THE HILARIOUS part of that whole debacle was,
after filing complaints,
several religious orgs
discovered
they HAD ALREADY been covering birth control
for eons,
but hadn't realized it!!d
rofl.
Birth control can be ordered to treat multiple medical conditions,
and for a religious org,
to cover viagra,
but not the pill to control a woman who suffers profuse bleeding, cystic ovary disease, etc,
is unfair.
Birth control IS health care for women.
and having an employer
ask the employee,
"Ey, i see you got BCP, are you taking the pill to treat uterine fibroids,
or are you having sex?"
is too invasive to indulge in, imo,
but,
then again,
i am for freedoms.
for all women,
whether their employer covers viagra but not the hormonal BCP used to treat so many medical problems.0 -
. What I'm saying is that I don't understand why people take the time to do something like protest crosses at a soldiers memorial or something similar.
IT'S HILARIOUS HOW RIGHTIWINGERS WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY HEAR!!
It's true, if someone hears something
over
and
over
it begins to seem "true".........that's how we got religions in the first place.
QUESTION EVERYTHING MARIL,
especially if it is from a rightwingnut source or email fwd.
THIS NEVER HAPPENED, MARIL.
THIS IS RIGHTWING NUT PROPAGANDA............intended to rally their base.
this doesn't happen, Maril.
You have been misinformed,
cuz you watch fox news.
or you actually believe all the rightwingnut email fwds you get.?????????????????????
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/cemetery.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/marines.asp
btw, you continue to insert that you are a vet,
into each reply. Thank you for your service.
Glad you made it home in one piece.
I am also a vet, a Vietnam era vet, yet, i rarely feel the need to insert that into every reply i post. It is not usually relevant to the point i am making.0 -
http://restoringhonornow.com/2011/07/05/who-starts-those-chain-emails-ive-got-a-theory/:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0
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.Shouldn't a society strive to protect the smallest and weakest among us?
I am against govt intrusion into this very
very
private matter. If YOU are against abortion,
don't get one.
Late term abortions are already regulated by the govt, duh.
and there can be very heartbreaking, very valid reasons for a person to need a late term abortion. Sorry, it's NOT your decision.
and there are only TWO doctors left alive by the rightwingnut terrorists who terrorize most abortion clinics and kill the staffs.
yeah,
that's right, TWO doctors for the entire nation, still alive.
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They don't pay taxes (something liberals overlook even though they LOVE taxes haha)
false,
illegal aliens DO pay taxes,
on every purchase they make,
as well as payroll taxes
into programs that they themselves will never ever be able to benefit from.
why do you think illegals do not pay any taxes?
(cuz you watch Faux news)
Immigration is a difficult and complex issue.
I don't even recall this topic coming up, so your reply confuses me.The fact that Democrats are trying to make it easier for illegals to vote in a system in which they are not citizens sickens me.
this is blatantly false.
The 'voter fraud' in USA is something like 0.0000001% of all votes. The tons of recent voter registration laws, (making it illegal to register voters!!!??)
and
Please cite a source to back up your outrageous and false claim,
that dems are trying to help illegal aliens vote. (not tape of Rush Limbaugh, but a credible source).
Or is this something else you "learned" through email fwds? rofl!!:laugh:
you sound like the type
who probably believed the guy who ruined Acorn's reputation
did a "good" thing,
and i bet you are 100% oblivious to the facts
that came out (showing that guy manipulated the tapes he had)
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Healthcare
The healthcare system in USA is horrifically corrupt, "for-profit" industry,
and USA is far far behind any other industrialized nation
in most measures of a healthy healthcare system, sliding in at 37th in some measures.
You are already regulated
by corporations who seek to make profit off your illnesses,
deny you coverage
and drop you if you get too expensive.
Because of ObamaCARE, (yeah, he CARES!)
LIFETIME CAPS WILL BE REMOVED.
MY PARALYZED SISTER CAN NOT BE DENIED AS 'PRE=EXISTING' NOR DUMPED ANYMORE
WHEN SHE GETS TOO EXPENSIVE.
MILLIONS OF PREVIOUSLY UNINSURED CHILDREN ARE NOW COVERED.
THE SAVINGS TO THE USA of billions of dollars.
Young ppl can be covered on the parent's plans.
somehow, you overlook, how we the insured, already pay
for those who have no insurance)
Insurance companies have to spend the bulk of their income rec'd from our payments,
on providing healthcare, not CEO bonuses now.
tons of bennies,
but,
ObamaCare did NOT go far enough,
i ws very very bummed that public option was tossed out,and that we didn't get single-payer or "medicare for all" like all other modern countries have.........countries whose health measurements are far more advanced than we have in USA.0
