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College education is certainly a nice achievement. As flimflamfloz says, it is safer bet that someone who finished at least a Bachelor's will be able to have a stimulating conversation. Bachelor's and Master's Degrees in a lot of fields are watered down. However, with the current economy, there are plenty of college graduates working as Starbucks baristas (50% of grads since 2006 are underemployed or unemployed), so education isn't correlated with the type of job one has.0
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At one point in my life I thought it was important, but not really now.
The last choice had to make between men was between a guy with a doctorate from a decent school and a guy with a bachelor's from a not decent school. I chose the latter. He was/is waaaay smarter, and less of a d-ck. Academic achievement sometimes/often signals insecurity and ego issues to me, depending on the situation.
Also, I worked closely witha professor whose husband hadn't gone to high school. Art was her discipline, he was intelligent (he came from an agrarian community in Mexico)and they both pursued artistic endeavors, but in different ways. Loved both of them, and it was a good model for me to see in my 20's.
But- if on a dating site or something where education level were indicated, I'd probably be a little more vigilant screening someone who hadn't gone to college (which sucks- but is reality), but would definitely not rule them out.
Edit: Also adding that I dropped out of high school at 15 and worked my *kitten* off to get two graduate degrees, so that influences my schema on this.0 -
I would also like to add:
I have never dumbed down any of my accomplishments, or any of the goals I am hoping/working toward. I have met people that didn't like these aspects of me and I breezed on by. My father (as I mentioned in my previous comment is the tool I use to measure other men) made a point of instilling a dedication toward bettering oneself and not being ashamed. When I was younger he brought my sister and I into work with him so we could meet his female boss, and he wanted us to know that women can be accomplished leaders and that if that's what we want we should go for it.
I don't think anyone should dumb down anything about themselves. I certainly don't think people should do the opposite either, as that reeks of dishonesty. Fortunately, it's pretty easy to tell when someone is actually worth their weight in salt once you know what signs to look for.0 -
A college education doesn't mean much these days, it just makes it easier to find a "good" job. I barely use anything I learned in college at my job or other aspects of my life. So if someone else was able to find a way to manage a good career without spending the extra time or money on an education, then more power to them. I just don't want to date anyone with no direction or ambition in their life.
^^ I agree with this... you can have a phd but it isn't worth crap if you don't do anything with it. Ambition is way more important in my book.0 -
Good degree => good job => good money => decent intelligence => decent conversation
Well, to some extent it tells: you can finish something, you are an achiever, you potentially pay your own bills and don't live at your parents anymore, you have interesting things to say (maybe), you have had enough intelligence to finish your degree.
Sure, there are people without degrees who have got the same qualities, but most people with degrees will have at least some or all of these qualities (which is a start already).
A degree is a safe bet.
You're only at a disadvantage (though) if you don't possess any of the above mentioned qualities, or if you just tell us you do possess those qualities but cannot show us you do (a degree sort of implies those qualities. Sort of. Safer bet.).
Kind of have to agree. There is also the aspect of shared experience.. I went to university and was taught to think about and engage the world in a certain way.. those that didn't have this experience or didn't take away the same things from it I have a harder time relating to sometimes. Education though certainly is not everything and there are plenty of people out there much smarter in life than me who didn't go to post-secondary. Working at a university however.. I with only my BA actually feel like the unintellectual one all the time and am sometimes embarassed I haven't completed a Masters yet.0 -
I really hate these topics.
I hate the fact that some men or women seem to get devalued if they didn't have the opportunity to go to school. I've worked with highly degreed people and guess what? They are no different than the rest of us. Sometimes they mis-speak or don't know about a topic -- they're just people.....
I've never chosen to date or not to date someone based on their college background. I decide based on conversation and likes and dislikes.
It makes my skin crawl to think people look down on uneducated people to the extent that they are not willing to give them a chance personally... yet I know it happens all of the time. I'm glad I'm not like this.
And no... I don't' have a degree... but I'm successful and smart.0 -
I have zero College and barely passed High School. Not because I am stupid but because I didn't give a *kitten*. So if some confused b*tch wants to pass judgement on me because of that, then hit the bricks girl cuz when it came time to 'get real' I found a job in the field I wanted, excelled at it greatly and worked my way up the chain quick. And I guarantee I am more quick witted than the socially inept db's I work with. HA0
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I have zero College and barely passed High School. Not because I am stupid but because I didn't give a *kitten*. So if some confused b*tch wants to pass judgement on me because of that, then hit the bricks girl cuz when it came time to 'get real' I found a job in the field I wanted, excelled at it greatly and worked my way up the chain quick. And I guarantee I am more quick witted than the socially inept db's I work with. HA
You get 'em boy!!! Well said. :happy:0 -
I have zero College and barely passed High School. Not because I am stupid but because I didn't give a *kitten*. So if some confused b*tch wants to pass judgement on me because of that, then hit the bricks girl cuz when it came time to 'get real' I found a job in the field I wanted, excelled at it greatly and worked my way up the chain quick. And I guarantee I am more quick witted than the socially inept db's I work with. HA
You sir have won the internet today :flowerforyou: :drinker:0 -
I have zero College and barely passed High School. Not because I am stupid but because I didn't give a *kitten*. So if some confused b*tch wants to pass judgement on me because of that, then hit the bricks girl cuz when it came time to 'get real' I found a job in the field I wanted, excelled at it greatly and worked my way up the chain quick. And I guarantee I am more quick witted than the socially inept db's I work with. HA
And a handsome, well-mannered gent to boot!! :bigsmile:
I'd date you over some college intellectual *kitten* anyday!! :smooched:
Disclaimer: not in any way implying that all graduates are twats! :laugh:0 -
Good topic.
I was kicked out of three high schools. Miraculously, I obtained a full scholarship to state college (SFSU) - nothing fancy, I know, but not bad considering my history with education. This was after spending an accumulative 2 years or so in various institutions for juvenile delinquents.
It look me all of 3 months to drop out of college and proceed with the thorough f-ing up of my life.
The story goes on like this for a bit, and then we fast forward to today. I have a successful career nearing 10 years in my specialty. I'm working for a company near the top of the F500 list and, working in a team of 2, have just won what is probably the most significant account the company has to date. I read nonfiction like it is Internet porn and am constantly spending my own time educating myself to further my professional and personal life.
I often wonder how to answer questions about my past and my education. I am honest with employers about having no degree. This doesn't matter to them, and I am offered jobs at competing companies almost weekly. I rely on my reputation and word of mouth for every new job.
My online dating profile says "Some College". I'm definitely missing a lot of the basic education that people get, but I would hope not to be considered a loser because I don't have a degree. There are plenty of other reasons for that label.
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