Tipping
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Awww I am from GA and I always tip 20+% EXCEPT when they are kind enough to pre-determine my tip for me.
it was a tongue and cheek comment.
but i really cant understand how anyone thinks it was ok to tip 10% just a few years ago.0 -
that "pastor" is a POS. if you cant tip at least 15% you shouldnt eat out. and that 15% is only for bad service...if you have average service you should always tip at least 20%.
Average service is not worth 20%. It's worth about 10%. 20% is for nice, attentive service.
fine. be cheap. im sure your server really appreciates that!
lol@10% for average service. is this Europe?
Nah it's a country where the self-entitled think they can get waited on for less than a living wage. I'd spit in their food personally.
fwiw ive known a lot of self entitle people and none of them have been bad tippers. so i think this is just more about being cheap.
are u still a server? do u know what your average tip is?
No I haven't been a server in a long time. I waited tables in my late teens and early twenties. I hated the idiots who left religious tracts instead of tips so I have a personal reason for detesting the pastor.0 -
Oh and just to be clear, I have never spit in a customer's food nor otherwise assaulted a customer for not tipping. However I have always warned other servers not to waste their time on someone that I gave good service to who didn't tip at least %15.
So if you're one of those cheapskates and you notice that lately your favorite restaurant has slow service and your glass is always empty...good!0 -
that "pastor" is a POS. if you cant tip at least 15% you shouldnt eat out. and that 15% is only for bad service...if you have average service you should always tip at least 20%.
In your opinion...
If I am tipping 15% or higher I am expected bare minimum or better service.... With that said, we have tipped 50% for excellent service... I can remember the instance... it was at a Chili's and it was packed, and the guy (all I remember is he was tall and dark complected) brought drinks before we were out because he knew he was going to be (and was) slammed... he worked his *kitten* off and we saw it and he did it without missing a beat....
I also remember the time where we tipped the busboy instead of our waitress (I can't remember the name of the resturant but it was in MA and the theme was fishing (all I can remember is the inside was light blue and decorated to look like a fishing boat), the lady failed to check on us but maybe two or three times while we sat there (for over an hour) because she was too busy socializing with her co-workers at the front podium.... We finally got a busboy to bring the manager around because we couldn't get the attention of our server whose back was to us...
ETA: If a gratuity is already added, I ain't payin' extra... You essentially gave yourself a tip when you could have made more.
Just remember: in the case of the added gratuity, the "you" is the management of the restaurant, not the server. They have no say in the 18% add on.
I agree with you in principle that automatically adding the 18% is often to the financial disadvantage of the server, since it usually has the effect of limiting those (many) people who would give more.
Just one more example of the Law of Unintended Consequences (and The Man Keeping You Down).
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So is this thread resurrected cuz he was a pastor, or because of what happened? She got canned for the right reason. I don't see the problem.0
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So is this thread resurrected cuz he was a pastor, or because of what happened? She got canned for the right reason. I don't see the problem.
I'm offended about the pastor because I think she was most un-Christ-like. Being ungenerous, snarky, and then bringing her god into it as justification. It's bad enough to not follow your religion if you're a layperson, but a pastor should really do better than that.
I can see why they fired the server. She put them in a bad spot that could potentially involve a lawsuit by posting the receipt. Maybe they wouldn't lose the lawsuit, but it's still not a good situation to put an employer in.
If the pastor were truly repentant (clearly she isn't) she would go beg them to give the server her job back.0 -
If the pastor were truly repentant (clearly she isn't) she would go beg them to give the server her job back.
That is just silly. Just because someone admit's they are wrong does not absolve someone else's wrong doing. The pastor didn't force the server to post that receipt. The server made her bed and now she can sleep in it.0 -
If the pastor were truly repentant (clearly she isn't) she would go beg them to give the server her job back.
That is just silly. Just because someone admit's they are wrong does not absolve someone else's wrong doing. The pastor didn't force the server to post that receipt. The server made her bed and now she can sleep in it.
I think trying to get the server her job back would be a fine example of both turning the other cheek and doing unto others as you would have done unto you, not to mention a dash of love your enemy. But what do I know, I was just raised in that ridiculous religion for all of my life.0 -
Posting a receipt with the signature is reason enough to be fired; however, all I can think when reading through this thread is that I'm glad we eat at home most of the time. BTW, we tip very well when we do eat out, unless the service is abysmal.0
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waitstaff gets an average of $2-$3 dollars and hour. Educate yourself.0
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In fact, the receipt that she signed proves her card was charged the full amount.
That's not clear to me from the picture.
But then I don't understand how restaurant credit card approvals work when they run the card before they know the final amount.0 -
that "pastor" is a POS. if you cant tip at least 15% you shouldnt eat out. and that 15% is only for bad service...if you have average service you should always tip at least 20%.
Average service is not worth 20%. It's worth about 10%. 20% is for nice, attentive service.
And bad service isn't worth a tip at all, let alone 15%. As someone else has said, a tip is a gratuity - a gesture of thanks, not an obligation. Yes, many servers in the US are paid abysmally low wages, but the obligation to ameliorate that should not transfer to me, the consumer, to supplement that, if the service I have received has been less than adequate. Why would I be saying 'thank you' to someone who has provided poor service in a service job, that they took on knowing that rates of pay would be low and they'd need to rely on tips? I wonder if the US attitude to tipping comes from the idea that serving another person is somehow degrading, and that the person being served should be grateful, and perhaps a little embarrassed, to be being served at all. Your culture is splendidly egalitarian in many ways, but I find this perspective somewhat illogical.
Bearing in mind that I'm in the UK, where servers get paid minimum wage before tips, at the very least... here, 10% is pretty standard, but not obligatory. Average service getting 20%? Dream on! That's a 'good service' tip here, if you're feeling generous. Bad service = no tip, and no guilt. There's no shame in serving, but there most certainly is in failing to do your job well, and I don't see why someone should feel entitled to gratitude from a diner who has expected to be served well as part of his/her dining experience, if they have provided substandard service.0 -
I wonder if the US attitude to tipping comes from the idea that serving another person is somehow degrading, and that the person being served should be grateful, and perhaps a little embarrassed, to be being served at all.
America and the rest of the world might have less lazy, fat, indebted people if those capable of fetching and carrying and cooking for themselves actually did so. I wish this attitude were more prevalent (it really isn't). I think I'll cultivate it harder next time I'm tempted to let Five Guys do my cooking for me.
People should work to make things that can't be made at home. And work at growing food, since most people don't have land for that. They should not be flipping burgers for perfectly able human beings, nor fetching them tea or water (for hideously low wages except for those servers lucky enough to work in upscale establishments where the tips are good, and even in those places the rest of the staff gets shafted). Except maybe on special occasions.
Anyway, you don't have to tip if you think the service was terrible. I wouldn't return to the scene of your crime though, you're likely to get even worse service. If your server is so bad you feel the urge not to pay for that service it should be bad enough to complain to a manager. If the service wasn't bad enough to complain, you're not standing up for good service, you're just being cheap.0 -
If your server is so bad you feel the urge not to pay for that service it should be bad enough to complain to a manager. If the service wasn't bad enough to complain, you're not standing up for good service, you're just being cheap.
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Especially since, most of the time, "poor service" is the result of bad decisions made by management.0 -
If your server is so bad you feel the urge not to pay for that service it should be bad enough to complain to a manager. If the service wasn't bad enough to complain, you're not standing up for good service, you're just being cheap.
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Especially since, most of the time, "poor service" is the result of bad decisions made by management.
Good point. Being assigned too many tables or having trouble with the kitchen getting food out in time is quite common and usually beyond the server's control.0 -
Yes, many servers in the US are paid abysmally low wages, but the obligation to ameliorate that should not transfer to me, the consumer, to supplement that, if the service I have received has been less than adequate.
I disagree. I'm the one benefiting from the abysmally low wages, at least if the lower cost of doing business results in low prices. I agree with the people pointing out that poor management is often the reason for poor service.0 -
I can't believe this is still being debated. Tip your ****ing server! Of all the things we get ripped off on, gas prices, banking fees, car prices, movie theater food...we are gonna ***** about 15 % gratuity for the poor slob working at AppleCharlies house of Chile SteakFridays? If the service is good, tip 15 or more. End of story. We all have enough common sense to know what bad service is, and if it is due to incompetence, a bad attitude, or just honest mistakes or overwhelming business. People who don't want to tip are just finding reasons not to. And the funny thing is, you have the money to do it, you're just being ****s.0
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Yes, many servers in the US are paid abysmally low wages, but the obligation to ameliorate that should not transfer to me, the consumer, to supplement that, if the service I have received has been less than adequate.
I disagree. I'm the one benefiting from the abysmally low wages, at least if the lower cost of doing business results in low prices. I agree with the people pointing out that poor management is often the reason for poor service.
I agree that it would be much more honest and fair if waitstaff, bus help, etc, etc, were paid living wages and the price of the food was marked up to reflect this. That way a gratuity could be an actual "reward" for extra service. However, that's not the way the system is set up and so, in essence, your "tip" IS a built in cost (unless you feel it's OK for someone to work for $3 an hour) and should be looked at that way.0 -
Yes, many servers in the US are paid abysmally low wages, but the obligation to ameliorate that should not transfer to me, the consumer, to supplement that, if the service I have received has been less than adequate.
I disagree. I'm the one benefiting from the abysmally low wages, at least if the lower cost of doing business results in low prices. I agree with the people pointing out that poor management is often the reason for poor service.
I agree that it would be much more honest and fair if waitstaff, bus help, etc, etc, were paid living wages and the price of the food was marked up to reflect this. That way a gratuity could be an actual "reward" for extra service. However, that's not the way the system is set up and so, in essence, your "tip" IS a built in cost (unless you feel it's OK for someone to work for $3 an hour) and should be looked at that way.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree - I live and function in a different system here, where waiters and waitresses are getting minimum wage at least. I don't see any reason why, in that model, I should tip if the service is poor, or even mediocre, unless I feel so inclined. It certainly shouldn't be a moral obligation.0 -
If your server is so bad you feel the urge not to pay for that service it should be bad enough to complain to a manager. If the service wasn't bad enough to complain, you're not standing up for good service, you're just being cheap.
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Especially since, most of the time, "poor service" is the result of bad decisions made by management.
If service is really poor, or rude, I will speak to a manager. If it was poor enough to affect my enjoyment of my meal/evening, but not really awful, I simply don't tip - I'm not going to leave a gratuity for making my evening less pleasant! Eating out is a treat for me, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that the service, which I am paying for in some degree, through my patronage of the restaurant, will be sufficently adequate not to tarnish that experience significantly. I'm not inclined to be petty, and I recognise that problems are not always the server's fault - how they handle those issues can make a big difference, though. If you let me know, nicely, that it might be a while 'til my food arrives because of an issue in the kitchen, chances are I'll be OK with that - it's sitting, waiting for 30,40 minutes, an hour, maybe, wondering if my order has somehow become lost, and unable to attract the waiter's attention to ask, or request another drink, or repeated delivery of the wrong food, or food of the opposite temperature to that it should be, without any explanation, that's going to leave someone tip-less in my book. I'm intrigued, by the way, that you think it's better to speak to a manager, which may result in the staff member being disciplined or fired, rather than deny the server a couple of pounds/dollars in tips...0 -
I live and function in a different system here, where waiters and waitresses are getting minimum wage at least.
Well and good. But we're talking about situations in the United States where servers aren't getting minimum wage. Different situation, different obligations.0 -
I live and function in a different system here, where waiters and waitresses are getting minimum wage at least.
Well and good. But we're talking about situations in the United States where servers aren't getting minimum wage. Different situation, different obligations.
I live where they are paid minimum wage. If I didn't, it would be a different situation, but not a different obligation. I am not obligated to help support someone that chose this path. Want a steady paycheck? Get a different job.0 -
I live and function in a different system here, where waiters and waitresses are getting minimum wage at least.
Well and good. But we're talking about situations in the United States where servers aren't getting minimum wage. Different situation, different obligations.
I live where they are paid minimum wage. If I didn't, it would be a different situation, but not a different obligation. I am not obligated to help support someone that chose this path. Want a steady paycheck? Get a different job.
You can either choose to support them with tips or be forced to support them with food stamps.0 -
I live and function in a different system here, where waiters and waitresses are getting minimum wage at least.
Well and good. But we're talking about situations in the United States where servers aren't getting minimum wage. Different situation, different obligations.
This. I just realized you live in London, it doesn't even apply to you, so long as minimum wage actually is a living wage, which it might be in England and definitely is not here in the US. Which is also a much more widespread issue than tipping.0 -
In fact, the receipt that she signed proves her card was charged the full amount.
That's not clear to me from the picture.
But then I don't understand how restaurant credit card approvals work when they run the card before they know the final amount.
That transaction was sent to the card association to get authorized as $34.93 + $6.29. Total authorized amount was $41.22. The cardholder has the option to add an additional tip which would be added to the total amount and sent to the card association in a sale completion at the end of the night. Although it is possible, it is highly unlikely that Applebees completed the transaction for less then the original authorized amount of $41.22 unless a tip was left at the table. It would be like buying a tv for $500 but then crossing out the actual amount on the final receipt and changing it to $400. Good luck getting that charged back.
This whole issue is ridiculous. Had it been an athiest crossing out the tip and putting a message like "I give 10% to <insert my favorite charity here> why should I give you 18%" this would not even be news. It takes real good religion bashing to get redditors to up vote something enough to make it national news. Sometimes I think athiests are more self righteous then the religious people they loath.0 -
So is this thread resurrected cuz he was a pastor, or because of what happened? She got canned for the right reason. I don't see the problem.
I'm offended about the pastor because I think she was most un-Christ-like. Being ungenerous, snarky, and then bringing her god into it as justification. It's bad enough to not follow your religion if you're a layperson, but a pastor should really do better than that.
I can see why they fired the server. She put them in a bad spot that could potentially involve a lawsuit by posting the receipt. Maybe they wouldn't lose the lawsuit, but it's still not a good situation to put an employer in.
If the pastor were truly repentant (clearly she isn't) she would go beg them to give the server her job back.
She paid the servers tip in cash. She was interviewed and it seems like this was an omitted fact from everything going on. I do have to agree that it's just an excuse for bashing.0 -
I don't doubt that it happens exactly as you say, Lour44. But if so, then I don't know why Appleby's (or the credit card company) bothers to have people sign the receipt when the restaurant is just going to enter the info it "knows" is correct and ignore the signed receipt.0
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She paid the servers tip in cash. She was interviewed and it seems like this was an omitted fact from everything going on. I do have to agree that it's just an excuse for bashing.
How much? 10%? 15%? 18%? If more than 10%, her written comment makes no sense.0 -
So is this thread resurrected cuz he was a pastor, or because of what happened? She got canned for the right reason. I don't see the problem.
I'm offended about the pastor because I think she was most un-Christ-like. Being ungenerous, snarky, and then bringing her god into it as justification. It's bad enough to not follow your religion if you're a layperson, but a pastor should really do better than that.
I can see why they fired the server. She put them in a bad spot that could potentially involve a lawsuit by posting the receipt. Maybe they wouldn't lose the lawsuit, but it's still not a good situation to put an employer in.
If the pastor were truly repentant (clearly she isn't) she would go beg them to give the server her job back.
She paid the servers tip in cash. She was interviewed and it seems like this was an omitted fact from everything going on. I do have to agree that it's just an excuse for bashing.
Also omitted is the fact that the comment you quoted is the ONLY one in this thread that focuses in any way on religion. So, at least on this topic, the charge of "religion bashing" is a Scarecrow-in-The-Wizard-of-Oz-class strawman argument.
(Oh, and I did note that the receipt editorialist said she had left a tip anyway when I linked to the original story--so it wasn't "omitted" either).
But, please proceed..........0 -
So is this thread resurrected cuz he was a pastor, or because of what happened? She got canned for the right reason. I don't see the problem.
I'm offended about the pastor because I think she was most un-Christ-like. Being ungenerous, snarky, and then bringing her god into it as justification. It's bad enough to not follow your religion if you're a layperson, but a pastor should really do better than that.
I can see why they fired the server. She put them in a bad spot that could potentially involve a lawsuit by posting the receipt. Maybe they wouldn't lose the lawsuit, but it's still not a good situation to put an employer in.
If the pastor were truly repentant (clearly she isn't) she would go beg them to give the server her job back.
She paid the servers tip in cash. She was interviewed and it seems like this was an omitted fact from everything going on. I do have to agree that it's just an excuse for bashing.
Also omitted is the fact that the comment you quoted is the ONLY one in this thread that focuses in any way on religion. So, at least on this topic, the charge of "religion bashing" is a Scarecrow-in-The-Wizard-of-Oz-class strawman argument.
(Oh, and I did note that the receipt editorialist said she had left a tip anyway when I linked to the original story--so it wasn't "omitted" either).
But, please proceed..........
As an athiest, I sign all my crappy tips with "I don't believe in an afterflife, so why should I care if I screw you over with a bad tip." Then if anyone says anything, I call them atheist bashers.0
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