Ketosis Goes Mainstream
TheVimFuego
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I note that the Optifast VLCD ad on TV in Oz at the moment promotes that new fangled idea (not), ketosis, as it's main weight-loss feature.
http://www.optifast.com.au/optifastvideo.aspx
http://www.optifast.com.au/ketosis.aspx
Induction: 800 calories (with Optifast products, of course)
Transition: 880 calories (with Optifast products, of course)
Maintenance: 1000 calories (with Optifast products, of course)
Stabilisation: 1200 calories
It's great that ketosis is out there and being backed as healthy but it sounds like more semi-starvation to me.
The meal choices look particularly gruesome.
Get busy with a steak covered in butter and mountain of bacon already!
http://www.optifast.com.au/optifastvideo.aspx
http://www.optifast.com.au/ketosis.aspx
Induction: 800 calories (with Optifast products, of course)
Transition: 880 calories (with Optifast products, of course)
Maintenance: 1000 calories (with Optifast products, of course)
Stabilisation: 1200 calories
It's great that ketosis is out there and being backed as healthy but it sounds like more semi-starvation to me.
The meal choices look particularly gruesome.
Get busy with a steak covered in butter and mountain of bacon already!
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There are just too many ppl/companies that only want to make a quick buck and not help people.
I think all diet/gym programs should be like James Woods' smoker in the movie Cat's Eye.0 -
There are just too many ppl/companies that only want to make a quick buck and not help people.
I think all diet/gym programs should be like James Woods' smoker in the movie Cat's Eye.
Yup, and how much would someone learn about decent nutrition doing this thing? Diddly.
Chances of putting all that weight back on (and more) even if you could stick to it? Stratospheric.
Talking of nutrition and mainstream media, I was watching QI last night and Alan Davies mentioned that milk and bread isn't really suitable for human consumption (a seemingly extreme position but I do see the logic in it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTn3eJG87IQ
Of course he got put down in an amusing way but I'm willing to bet he's a low-carber if not one of those mad Paleo types ... which happens to include me, mostly
Cool movie, not heard of that before.0 -
EWW! I just watched the video. How can anyone eat that frankenfood and eat only 800 cals a day and be HAPPY!? Why bother going low cal for ketosis.... Like you said - bring on the steak, bacon, and cheese!
So silly. Honestly. Silly.0 -
Low carb and 800 calories?? I hope they aren't meant to exercise too because I don't think I'd have the energy to move!0
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And where is the fat? The stuff that keeps us healthy and lubricated?
But hey, it's low cholesterol so it must be good for us, right?
(edit) I see Alan Davies is a pescetarian, I was a little wide of the mark ...0 -
I was doing Tony Ferguson, which isn't a lot different to Optifast I think.0
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They are soooo close to getting it...then they completely miss the mark. It's nice to see someone promoting ketosis, but that isn't it. What really scares me about this program is that it may end up giving ketosis a bad name if people end up thinking you have to eat less than 800 calories to be in ketosis. I hope Optifast doesn't end up becoming the new atkins induction for people that don't research low-carb.
I particularly like the question, "Will I be hungry on the Optifast program?" Why yes, yes you will because you are only supposed to have 450-800 calories daily for up to twelve weeks.0 -
My husband is looking into this program, not for weight loss but reversal of diabetes. It's medically supervised and I believe prescription only.0
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There are just too many ppl/companies that only want to make a quick buck and not help people.
I think all diet/gym programs should be like James Woods' smoker in the movie Cat's Eye.
Yup, and how much would someone learn about decent nutrition doing this thing? Diddly.
Chances of putting all that weight back on (and more) even if you could stick to it? Stratospheric.
Talking of nutrition and mainstream media, I was watching QI last night and Alan Davies mentioned that milk and bread isn't really suitable for human consumption (a seemingly extreme position but I do see the logic in it):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTn3eJG87IQ
Of course he got put down in an amusing way but I'm willing to bet he's a low-carber if not one of those mad Paleo types ... which happens to include me, mostly
Cool movie, not heard of that before.
Vim - most Gastroenterologists and Dermatologists will tell you that humans were never meant to consume dairy and grains... One of the two prominent GI Surgeons I worked for often sat back and discussed how horrible our government pushes "you need to have this/you need to have that" and put an FDA stamp of approval on it without actual hard evidence to back it up, or they use 'study groups' that fail to address multiple groups, mixed groups, etc. They leave out the fact that, for every food-related product on the market, that they try to target on the "MyPlate" theory, each portion of that plate is the governments indicator of their money and how they can get more of it. Push the grains/breads/cereals/dairy - blah blah blah... he has patients who with gluten sensitivities, he will still advise them to eliminate that entire grain group - because it can very well lead to full blown medical issues in the long run. He did a great study with Barretts Esophagitis - Im gonna have to contact him about the link to it.. Im sure I can find it if I search the New England Journal of Medicine here in NH.
The Dermatologist I participated in a study with him was for female patients with hirsutism/alopecia/PCOS and the connection of the predisposition of pregnancy hormones found within cow's milk, and how it related to dermatological care, medication management/augmentations and treatment for moderate to severe acne. GREAT information and I 'get' it. I reduced my dairy intake after the study though to only cheese and butter - it has not brought on any issues with hair-loss, male-pattern hair growth, and its been a very long time since Ive had acne... he made me blush when he said he just absolutely loved the way my skin looked and 'no one would ever imagine you are close to hitting 40 with how young and youthful you look' - I hugged the man to death!!!! LOL!0 -
My husband is looking into this program, not for weight loss but reversal of diabetes. It's medically supervised and I believe prescription only.
I think a diet of eggs, meat and veggies daily would suffice to be honest and be more fulfilling and sustainable. No diet product required either.
The danger would be in timing the inevitable reduction in insulin, hence the need to do it under medical supervision.
An interesting take on it: http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/0 -
Another organization that is giving us paleo/primal/low carb people a bad name. People basing their diet on an adequate amount REAL foods are doing great, not just with weight loss, but more importantly, health. I can't see any benefit to eating somebody's designer "food" and only eating 800 calories. There are many people who find paleo/primal/low carb diets too "restrictive", which I don't understand, but how could anybody last long on 800 calories or have long term success?
I really think the food and diet industry is all about keeping us fat, making us sick, and raking in the dough.0 -
Brilliantly observed and stated. :flowerforyou:They are soooo close to getting it...then they completely miss the mark. It's nice to see someone promoting ketosis, but that isn't it. What really scares me about this program is that it may end up giving ketosis a bad name if people end up thinking you have to eat less than 800 calories to be in ketosis. I hope Optifast doesn't end up becoming the new atkins induction for people that don't research low-carb.
I particularly like the question, "Will I be hungry on the Optifast program?" Why yes, yes you will because you are only supposed to have 450-800 calories daily for up to twelve weeks.0 -
My husband is looking into this program, not for weight loss but reversal of diabetes. It's medically supervised and I believe prescription only.
My wife reversed her Type 2 diabetes related to a thyroid condition by just eating real food that was low in carbs and cutting out grains and sugar. She went from high in the Type 2 territory to normal in about 7 months just eating low carb/high fat.0 -
This is going to give keto a bad name
I'm just going to sit back and wait for the negative comments when people hear I'm a keto dieter "omg you starve yourself... How can you eat like that... That is unhealthy" I can just hear it now. It's already bad enough that I have to constantly explain how I eat and why it's good for me (also knock down those rumors that it damage kidneys and lungs) but NOW once a few people try this keto knock off and fail they are going to completely bash keto and spread the rumor like wild fire that it's no good
Edited to say: I ate more than 800 in just my breakfast today ahaha I'd die on that plan if it were the real keto lol0 -
My wife reversed her Type 2 diabetes related to a thyroid condition by just eating real food that was low in carbs and cutting out grains and sugar. She went from high in the Type 2 territory to normal in about 7 months just eating low carb/high fat.
The film Simply Raw shows how it can be using raw foods, this is obviously extreme (I like a bit of steak) but proves a point none the less:
http://www.rawfor30days.com/index5c.html
The 'leader' looks like a bit of a nut but it's worth a look to see the power of nutrition.0
