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Bakkasan
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The ignorance of people running around with their fingers in their ears is STAGGERING on the main forums. What I don't get is how vitriolic they are over their carbs. Somehow people lowcarbing makes them quite butthurt.
I found some nice light reading if yall care.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22735432
CONCLUSION:
Among overweight and obese young adults compared with pre-weight-loss energy expenditure, isocaloric feeding following 10% to 15% weight loss resulted in decreases in REE and TEE that were greatest with the low-fat diet, intermediate with the low-glycemic index diet, and least with the very low-carbohydrate diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12679447
Based on these data, a very low carbohydrate diet is more effective than a low fat diet for short-term weight loss and, over 6 months, is not associated with deleterious effects on important cardiovascular risk factors in healthy women.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22562179
CONCLUSIONS/INTERPRETATION:
Weight changes did not differ between the diet groups, while insulin doses were reduced significantly more with the LCD at 6 months, when compliance was good. Thus, aiming for 20% of energy intake from carbohydrates is safe with respect to cardiovascular risk compared with the traditional LFD and this approach could constitute a treatment alternative.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15598683
These results confirm that short-term weight loss is greater in obese women on a low-carbohydrate diet than in those on a low-fat diet even when reported food intake is similar. The differential weight loss is not explained by differences in REE, TEF, or physical activity and likely reflects underreporting of food consumption by the low-fat dieters.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15148063
CONCLUSIONS:
Compared with a low-fat diet, a low-carbohydrate diet program had better participant retention and greater weight loss. During active weight loss, serum triglyceride levels decreased more and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol level increased more with the low-carbohydrate diet than with the low-fat diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15051841
Postprandial lipemia was significantly reduced when the men consumed both diets compared with baseline, but the reduction was significantly greater after intake of the very low-carbohydrate diet. Mean and peak LDL particle size increased only after the very low-carbohydrate diet. The short-term hypoenergetic low-fat diet was more effective at lowering serum LDL-C, but the very low-carbohydrate diet was more effective at improving characteristics of the metabolic syndrome as shown by a decrease in fasting serum TAG, the TAG/HDL-C ratio, postprandial lipemia, serum glucose, an increase in LDL particle size, and also greater weight loss (P < 0.05).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15601961
Our results showed no significant weight loss, lipid, serum insulin, or glucose differences between the two diets. Lipids were dramatically reduced on both diets, with a trend for greater triglyceride reduction on the VLC diet. Glucose levels were also reduced on both diets, with a trend for insulin reduction on the VLC diet. Compliance was excellent with both diets, and side effects were mild, although participants reported more food cravings and bad breath on the VLC diet and more burping and flatulence on the LF diet.
I found some nice light reading if yall care.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22735432
CONCLUSION:
Among overweight and obese young adults compared with pre-weight-loss energy expenditure, isocaloric feeding following 10% to 15% weight loss resulted in decreases in REE and TEE that were greatest with the low-fat diet, intermediate with the low-glycemic index diet, and least with the very low-carbohydrate diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12679447
Based on these data, a very low carbohydrate diet is more effective than a low fat diet for short-term weight loss and, over 6 months, is not associated with deleterious effects on important cardiovascular risk factors in healthy women.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22562179
CONCLUSIONS/INTERPRETATION:
Weight changes did not differ between the diet groups, while insulin doses were reduced significantly more with the LCD at 6 months, when compliance was good. Thus, aiming for 20% of energy intake from carbohydrates is safe with respect to cardiovascular risk compared with the traditional LFD and this approach could constitute a treatment alternative.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15598683
These results confirm that short-term weight loss is greater in obese women on a low-carbohydrate diet than in those on a low-fat diet even when reported food intake is similar. The differential weight loss is not explained by differences in REE, TEF, or physical activity and likely reflects underreporting of food consumption by the low-fat dieters.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15148063
CONCLUSIONS:
Compared with a low-fat diet, a low-carbohydrate diet program had better participant retention and greater weight loss. During active weight loss, serum triglyceride levels decreased more and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol level increased more with the low-carbohydrate diet than with the low-fat diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15051841
Postprandial lipemia was significantly reduced when the men consumed both diets compared with baseline, but the reduction was significantly greater after intake of the very low-carbohydrate diet. Mean and peak LDL particle size increased only after the very low-carbohydrate diet. The short-term hypoenergetic low-fat diet was more effective at lowering serum LDL-C, but the very low-carbohydrate diet was more effective at improving characteristics of the metabolic syndrome as shown by a decrease in fasting serum TAG, the TAG/HDL-C ratio, postprandial lipemia, serum glucose, an increase in LDL particle size, and also greater weight loss (P < 0.05).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15601961
Our results showed no significant weight loss, lipid, serum insulin, or glucose differences between the two diets. Lipids were dramatically reduced on both diets, with a trend for greater triglyceride reduction on the VLC diet. Glucose levels were also reduced on both diets, with a trend for insulin reduction on the VLC diet. Compliance was excellent with both diets, and side effects were mild, although participants reported more food cravings and bad breath on the VLC diet and more burping and flatulence on the LF diet.
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It just proves how addictive carbohydrates can be.The ignorance of people running around with their fingers in their ears is STAGGERING on the main forums. What I don't get is how vitriolic they are over their carbs. Somehow people lowcarbing makes them quite butthurt.
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If I read "Calories in, calories out. End of." one more time I'm going to go fricking insane!!!0
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Unfortunately, they have been brainwashed by our government and by the food manufacturers. As a result, they are deathly afraid to admit that what they were taught their entire lives to be "healthy" might just not be as healthy as they think. It makes them very defensive - especially when those of us who are doing low carb get excited about our weight loss success and our health improvements It really does take some mindset adjusting to even consider doing low-carb or to admit that it could possibly work for some people and be a valid way of eating for a lifetime. Believe me, as someone who recently made the jump (2 1/2 weeks in!), I can see where they are coming from but I am very happy with my new eating plan and I never want to look back! It really suites me and my lifestyle - AND IT IS WORKING FOR ME. And I think that is the bottom line....if it works for you and you are healthier as a result, does it really matter how you get there? I too have seen the scathing remarks by some here about low-carb eating and I really wish they would adopt that attitude. We are all here for the same reason and have the same goal - to be healthy.0
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I couldn't agree more. Honestly, I'm so tired of people talking down to one another on these message boards. I used to find the message boards a place to hear about other people's experiences and perhaps learn/share tips. Now it's become a "mine is bigger/better/moreawesomer than yours" and I can just can't stand it. Everyone is just trying to do their best. Low(er) Carb works for me.. it has for several years. It may not work for you and that is okay - but I don't need a lecture about why.
The worst part is that it's just a handful of "know-it-all"s" that troll around and give people attitude for not yet knowing everything about dieting there is to know. This should be a place for learning, not berating one another. And to make matters worse, they are often just plain wrong.0
