rice and quinoa?
Jxnsmma
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Yes or no or maybe in the 20%? Ive read both ways. What about you guys?
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I don't do either because I don't need the carbs lol. Rice is a grain, so according to paleo "guidelines", it's a no go. Quinoa is a seed, so that means yes technically, but it has a TON of carbs which will cause spikes in your blood sugar which part of what we're trying to avoid with Paleo-it also has a protein that can cause the same tummy troubles as gluten, so it really depends on your carb needs and whether you have a gluten sensitivity-I think it's ok in moderation if you tolerate it well though
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Nope. Not me. I have a hard enough time staying under my carb allotment eating only meat, veg, and nuts...
Oh, and my protein shake. But that only has one carb per serving, so it's not a huge deal.0 -
Strict no, but yes I did add rice back in. It's inexpensive filler for dinner and I'm limited on what nuts I tolerate so I use rice flour for the occassional baked treats. I don't care for the texture of quinoa so it wasn't really part of my diet anyway, and if the protein is similar to gluten, better not as I have to be gluten free.0
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up to this point in my eating, no to both. but i don't like quinoa anyway and given the choice i'd choose wild rice over the standard stuff. i did read one article that says wild rice is a grass rather than a grain but to this point i've not missed it.
i think, if i needed the carbs, i'd most likely want lentils as i love thick indian curries.0 -
Rice...Generally, no, while I'm trying to lose weight. I'd rather fill my belly with vegetables. I will not ever again eat boxed rice/seasoning mixes like I used to.
But, when I eat Thai food, I sometimes put 1-2 heaping TB's of white rice on my plate. It makes eating curries so much nicer. And since I don't usually eat rice, I don't worry about that little bit. I try not to put more than that on my plate because then I will feel too bloated and full. I view it as a treat.
Fitbomb did a great write-up on rice, and white vs brown: http://www.fitbomb.com/2011/10/more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rice.html
Quinoa - a hot debate in the Paleo world. Some say yes, some say no. I think of it this way... while I'm trying to lose weight, I'd rather get my protein and fiber from other less carb-heavy sources. I like quinoa, but it's not like I ever crave it or miss it. But... if someone served me some quinoa, or it was in an otherwise healthy dish... I'd eat it and enjoy it without guilt.0 -
The only time I eat any type of rice is when I have Chinese - and usually it is brown rice. and usually just a little bit...
Quinoa - nope too many carbs...I have found some recipies that call for Quinoa I can substitute riced cauliflower0 -
I'm surprised to see this topic here in the primal/paleo forum.
Rice and quinoa may not be as "bad" as wheat, but it still isn't "food" in my opinion. (Quinoa would rate better than rice imo.) If you already know about this lifestyle, no doubt you've seen some of the same info as I have about the subject.
However, some people may be able to have rice and quinoa on occasion and seem fine and if they enjoy it, there's no reason that they shouldn't do what they want. For me, I'm not going to say that I'd never have a bite (but it's NEVER wheat, ever) but I just don't even like most grains anymore. (I still have a bowl of popcorn once in a blue moon.) Why even tempt going back to being severely sick and fat. No, thanks.0 -
no, no , no rice & quinoa are not paleo IMO
I am a super strict paleo lol0 -
At the Sushi restaurant! YES. >.>
But otherwise I go for 'riced' cauliflower or eggplant.
But it won't kill you to have an occasional bite or so with a favorite meal. Of course, I'm more Primal than Paleo, and I've been known to have the occasional oatmeal cookie.0 -
the reason its in this forum is because ive read on paleo websites that white rice is the least bad of the carbs and that quinoa is allowed because its a seed. Just testing the waters.0
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Rice is a grain, and is therefore a Paleo no-no for the stricties out there.
But... that fitbomb post does a great job explaining why some people are not so strict about it, and why white rice is probably better than brown rice.
http://www.fitbomb.com/2011/10/more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rice.html
From his post:
Rice doesn’t contain gluten, for one. And while it does contain anti-nutrients, most of them are located in the hull and bran of the rice seed, and can be lost or neutralized through milling and cooking processes.
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if you stick with white rice (which doesn’t contain the phytate and trypsin inhibitor content of the less-milled brown rice) and you cook it properly (which neutralizes the haemagglutinin-lectin), you don’t have much to worry about from an anti-nutrient perspective.
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But just because white rice won’t destroy you doesn’t mean that it’s some kind of super-food. “White, milled, polished rice is basically pure starch… It is essentially a blank slate, nothing all that bad about it, but nothing all that great, either.” Rice can be tasty, but it’s really nothing more than empty, starchy calories.0 -
White rice is considered to be one of the most easily digestible non problematic of grains, and some will argue that wild rice is a seed as well rather than a grain. In the end, it's a matter of goals and preference. If you are looking to be 100% strict paleo, then no they are not something you would include.
For myself, a more moderate approach works in terms of how I feel and what is sustainable. I have no option but to be wheat, gluten and dairy free because of allergic reactions. Including things like rice crackers in my diet makes the other restrictions more tollerable.
Best advice I would say is to cut both out for awhile and then add them back one at a time and see.0 -
I wouldn't even consider it in the 20%. I consider it fully Primal.
Quinoa I've only tried three times and, dayum, is it good. White rice I've recently reintroduced (went throughout the whole of 2012 thinking I was allergic to it = uneducated coeliac was uneducated) and, hey, it's great.
If someone's goal was weight loss... Hmm. Tricky. A month or so ago, I wouldn't have recommended either. Sweet and white potatoes? Hell yeah, but rice and quinoa? They're both very calorie dense and quite easy to consume - or so I thought. Since reintroducing white rice though, it nearly did the impossible during one of my PWO feeds: it nearly filled me up.
Yes, my never ending pit of a stomach was nearly satiating by those little white specks, but I conquered in the end!... Sorry. Ahem.
You get my point. I can eat a lot (kg of potatoes with a pound of meat in one meal) and rice nearly stopped me. To a normal, non-piggish person, it could potentially be great. Also, white rice is quite tasty - hell of a lot better than that brown rice.
My advice? Try it. Srsly. Disregard carb content. Cook up 100g of uncooked white rice - about 350kcals of it - and serve with some kinda meat and veggies. Watch how that rice expands; holy hell, it fills the whole bowl.
It's all about personal preference. Rice may work for you, or it may be a disaster - IMO, there's no reason it can't become a regular meal for you, so long as you still eat your veggies, meats, etc. Me? I'm fine with it, though I d prefer potatoes still - try as hard as I can, it's nigh impossible to make chips out of rice granules.
Maybe a pudding would work, though. Mmm... Thanks for the idea!
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thanks for the article about rice..was interesting and an easy read.0
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Interesting info0
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Some rice is OK if you tolerate it. Try not eating it for a month, then eat it daily for a week. Some people actually react worse to rice than gluten.
Thankfully I deal with it fairly well. Not great, but good enough that I can enjoy a night of sushi once every few months. That's the only time I have rice.
Quinoa: No. No.
Also, no.0 -
Holy freakin' crap. Giving a quick scan above, I see some pro-quinoa talk? I'm kinda horrified. Doing a 2.3 second search:
Well, you’ve likely heard the expression, “If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…” Quinoa is botanically not a grain, but because it has evolved in a similar biological niche, Quinoa has similar properties to grains, including chemical defense systems that irritate the gut. In the case of Quinoa, it contains soap-like molecules called saponins. Unlike gluten, which attaches to a carrier molecule in the intestines, saponins simply punch holes in the membranes of the microvilli cells. Yes, that’s bad. Saponins are so irritating to the immune system that they are used in vaccine research to help the body mount a powerful immune response. The bottom line is if you think grains or grain-like items like Quinoa are healthy or benign, you are not considering the full picture."
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Holy freakin' crap. Giving a quick scan above, I see some pro-quinoa talk? I'm kinda horrified. Doing a 2.3 second search:
Well, you’ve likely heard the expression, “If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…” Quinoa is botanically not a grain, but because it has evolved in a similar biological niche, Quinoa has similar properties to grains, including chemical defense systems that irritate the gut. In the case of Quinoa, it contains soap-like molecules called saponins. Unlike gluten, which attaches to a carrier molecule in the intestines, saponins simply punch holes in the membranes of the microvilli cells. Yes, that’s bad. Saponins are so irritating to the immune system that they are used in vaccine research to help the body mount a powerful immune response. The bottom line is if you think grains or grain-like items like Quinoa are healthy or benign, you are not considering the full picture."
- Robb Wolf
Dayum, really?
I checked it out pre-consumption and in an interview he said it was okay if soaked and if you can tolerate it. (LINK http://therxreview.com/robb-wolf-interview-part-2/ ) I checked those both off my list - soaked and it didn't screw with my coeliac bowels. Thank God.
Interesting thing, though. I've only had it a few times - thanks for sharing.
Rice is nicer, anyway. Sorta. It's like the carb source equivalent of tuna as a protein source; pretty tasteless, boring on it's own, absorbs the flavour of whatever spices/condiments you put with it, and shouldn't exactly be the staple of your diet.0 -
You're welcome. I was kind of crushed when I found out about it. I've actually loved quinoa. When I first found out about it, I had it daily for a month. Just not willing to risk that. I'll swap for bacon.0
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Generally no. Especially if you're trying to lose weight.
I've experimented with getting some white rice in while working out and trying to bulk (sweet potatoes are good, but sometimes you want something else) and it's never caused me problems, but for the most part, I'd say it's best to stay away.
As others have said, I'm also a sucker for sushi, so once in a while I'll treat myself to some.0 -
I just want to add, since my grandma was from Tokyo, this weighs on my mind (and diet) often. Japanese live longer and are overall slimmer than Americans. Their diet consists of eating white rice multiple times a day, for every meal.
I understand the 'science' behind not eating rice, but facts are facts. The second I'm off of my Whole30, my diet will primarily consist of white rice, and I'll be eating a Japanese diet as much as possible.0 -
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I just want to add, since my grandma was from Tokyo, this weighs on my mind (and diet) often. Japanese live longer and are overall slimmer than Americans. Their diet consists of eating white rice multiple times a day, for every meal.
I understand the 'science' behind not eating rice, but facts are facts. The second I'm off of my Whole30, my diet will primarily consist of white rice, and I'll be eating a Japanese diet as much as possible.
This has already been covered in the AHS videos from the 2012 conference. Also Robb Wolf has gone over this. The fact is not all Japanese eat this way, and often the ones that do have poorer body composition, etc.
But it's your ride.
EDIT: Let me also add, which was part of the lead-in to a comment in the video, this concept of the Japanese eating vast quantities of rice can only be some bizarre cultural fairytale we have in the US. I've worked in a Japanese restaurant for years and have studied martial arts for decades. Some of the people I've encountered in these situations are "right off the boat" from Japan. As in, little to no ability to communicate in English. NONE have eaten large quantities of rice. If you want to talk a macrobiotic diet a la O'Sensei, that's another story. It's just dumb.0 -
Maybe a pudding would work, though. Mmm... Thanks for the idea!
Rice pudding is AMAZING. Seriously. My general recipe, before I cut out rice (because I used to eat way too much rice; I found that I often used it in place of veggies at meals :frown: ) was about 2 cups of almond milk, 1/3 cup of rice, 1 egg, and vanilla extract, golden raisins, cinnamon, honey, and nutmeg to taste. Just boil the rice, egg and almond milk together until the rice is squishy, add in whatever flavorings you want, and you have rice pudding :drinker:0 -
Maybe a pudding would work, though. Mmm... Thanks for the idea!
Rice pudding is AMAZING. Seriously. My general recipe, before I cut out rice (because I used to eat way too much rice; I found that I often used it in place of veggies at meals :frown: ) was about 2 cups of almond milk, 1/3 cup of rice, 1 egg, and vanilla extract, golden raisins, cinnamon, honey, and nutmeg to taste. Just boil the rice, egg and almond milk together until the rice is squishy, add in whatever flavorings you want, and you have rice pudding :drinker:
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Ma'am, you have inspired me to have rice pudding for dessert.
I'll use I cup (roughly 250ml) of milk, 100g rice and a tablespoon of honey. Cheers 0 -
I don't eat rice or quinoa, but I have noticed that some people do eat one or the other, or even both. Cool if that works for you, but it's not the way forward for me, at this point.0
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I just want to add, since my grandma was from Tokyo, this weighs on my mind (and diet) often. Japanese live longer and are overall slimmer than Americans. Their diet consists of eating white rice multiple times a day, for every meal.
I understand the 'science' behind not eating rice, but facts are facts. The second I'm off of my Whole30, my diet will primarily consist of white rice, and I'll be eating a Japanese diet as much as possible.
This has already been covered in the AHS videos from the 2012 conference. Also Robb Wolf has gone over this. The fact is not all Japanese eat this way, and often the ones that do have poorer body composition, etc.
But it's your ride.
EDIT: Let me also add, which was part of the lead-in to a comment in the video, this concept of the Japanese eating vast quantities of rice can only be some bizarre cultural fairytale we have in the US. I've worked in a Japanese restaurant for years and have studied martial arts for decades. Some of the people I've encountered in these situations are "right off the boat" from Japan. As in, little to no ability to communicate in English. NONE have eaten large quantities of rice. If you want to talk a macrobiotic diet a la O'Sensei, that's another story. It's just dumb.
It's not a fairytale; it's fact. My grandma ate white rice every single day, as did all of her friends, as did my entire family because we were raised eating Japanese style. The thing is that they know portion control, and their primary carb source is the rice. It's not rice covered in fat served with sugary drinks and dairy. It's just rice.
And I'm not sure how you evaluated that these people you have met fresh off the boat from Japan have not eaten large quantities of rice. THAT'D be bizarre. Sorry, but you are severely misinformed.0 -
Okay, I just read what Robb Wolf just said about Okinawans being taller than the rest of Japan due to their non-consumption of rice. Wow. A couple problems here.
1) They're not taller. They're shorter overall.
2) Why would anyone ever determine short stature as being less healthy?
3) I guess we can all just spout off random facts without research and credibility like Robb Wolf does.0
