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Dating, yes. But not marrying, being cherished, loved for the rest of her life. A lot of my peers who “enjoy” the hooters-girls generally don’t respect them.
So… why exactly are you trying to convince the single ladies of this board that they should try to be that?
Deep down, your peers respect the Hooters waitresses. I bet they would jump at the chance to date one of them.
The main reason that they say it is to put up a tough front with their "boys". They like to say stuff like "I'd hook up with her, but wouldn't call her the next day" just to look tough and funny with their friends. 9 out of 10 of them would try to wife up a Hooters waitress if given the chance. Trust me.0 -
OMG we're back to tiers!
Instead of a "tier" classification, peeps, I prefer the more clarifying "caste" system, with women at the bottom labelled "untouchables," women at the top invited over to my place for dinner.
However, I do agree that someone's personal opinion is statistically relevant, so long as at least two close buds are in agreement. Just keep in mind that 73.2% of all statistics are made up. And even when not completely made up, the data itself is misused 97.3% of the time.
On a final note, I was somewhat disappointed to discover this thread is not about actual chemistry. But kudos to whomever introduced the word "organic" to the discussion, which I view as a not so hidden attempt to get this thread back on topic. And by the way, scientists say methane is the simplest hydrocarbon compound, but have they really taken the time to get to know methane? That's one misunderstood alkane.
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I'm seeing a whole lot of misinformation in this thread. And WTF is a tier system? Who talks like that? We're talking about people here not cars.
First of all...guys. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this but if you aren't getting very many responses online you're probably not as good looking as you think you are. Either that or your profile makes you come off as a *kitten* or you just sound boring. My advice is instead of saying how online dating doesn't work and all that, stop only emailing the hottest girls and email more girls on your own "tier".
Also, stop looking for a woman 5 years younger than you. You'd be surprised how well you get along with women that are your own age or even a year or two older.
I will agree that it is better to meet some through a friend or some sort of activity in which you have something in common, but when you're a grown up like me most of your friends have kids and hang out with other couples that have kids. Online dating can work and can actually be fun if you don't take yourself too seriously.
Please stop making so many generalizations. A good looking, successful, 35-40 year old will NOT only be interested in 25-30 year olds. Most guys think they want a younger women until you date one and realize that you have nothing in common.
Mike, if you found yourself only getting responses from girls you wouldn't talk to in real life, it has nothing to do with what "league" you're in. If anything, it means that you're just not very good at the online thing. I've gotten plenty of responses and dates from girls I thought were a bit out of my league.0 -
Dating, yes. But not marrying, being cherished, loved for the rest of her life. A lot of my peers who “enjoy” the hooters-girls generally don’t respect them.
So… why exactly are you trying to convince the single ladies of this board that they should try to be that?
Deep down, your peers respect the Hooters waitresses. I bet they would jump at the chance to date one of them.
The main reason that they say it is to put up a tough front with their "boys". They like to say stuff like "I'd hook up with her, but wouldn't call her the next day" just to look tough and funny with their friends. 9 out of 10 of them would try to wife up a Hooters waitress if given the chance. Trust me.
So say one of the 40 yr old males "wifes up" a 20 year old hooters waitress. What will he do when he is 50 and she is 30 and probably a housewife that has let herself go after popping out 2.5 kids? I think the most prevelant group of people on MFP are the SHM that have let themselves go because they put their husband and kids first. This would be the typical thig that would happen to a women that had no more ambition in life than being a hooter's waitress that is married for her looks.0 -
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I'm seeing a whole lot of misinformation in this thread. And WTF is a tier system? Who talks like that? We're talking about people here not cars.
First of all...guys. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this but if you aren't getting very many responses online you're probably not as good looking as you think you are. Either that or your profile makes you come off as a *kitten* or you just sound boring. My advice is instead of saying how online dating doesn't work and all that, stop only emailing the hottest girls and email more girls on your own "tier".
Also, stop looking for a woman 5 years younger than you. You'd be surprised how well you get along with women that are your own age or even a year or two older.
I will agree that it is better to meet some through a friend or some sort of activity in which you have something in common, but when you're a grown up like me most of your friends have kids and hang out with other couples that have kids. Online dating can work and can actually be fun if you don't take yourself too seriously.
Please stop making so many generalizations. A good looking, successful, 35-40 year old will NOT only be interested in 25-30 year olds. Most guys think they want a younger women until you date one and realize that you have nothing in common.
Mike, if you found yourself only getting responses from girls you wouldn't talk to in real life, it has nothing to do with what "league" you're in. If anything, it means that you're just not very good at the online thing. I've gotten plenty of responses and dates from girls I thought were a bit out of my league.
Roadie, I seriously
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No.Dating, yes. But not marrying, being cherished, loved for the rest of her life. A lot of my peers who “enjoy” the hooters-girls generally don’t respect them.
So… why exactly are you trying to convince the single ladies of this board that they should try to be that?
Deep down, your peers respect the Hooters waitresses. I bet they would jump at the chance to date one of them.
The main reason that they say it is to put up a tough front with their "boys". They like to say stuff like "I'd hook up with her, but wouldn't call her the next day" just to look tough and funny with their friends. 9 out of 10 of them would try to wife up a Hooters waitress if given the chance. Trust me.
Deep down we would like to bang the Hooters waitress but date somebody good looking enough (and with boobs big enough) to be a Hooters waitress but actually has a brain.0 -
Kristen - we aren't debating whether one is better than the other. It's about not discrediting online dating as something to be avoided because it's a farce that only uglies buy into.
Roadie - you have an incredibly sexy think pan.0 -
stop looking for a woman 5 years younger than you. You'd be surprised how well you get along with women that are your own age or even a year or two older.
I will agree that it is better to meet some through a friend or some sort of activity in which you have something in common, but when you're a grown up like me most of your friends have kids and hang out with other couples that have kids. Online dating can work and can actually be fun if you don't take yourself too seriously.
None of my friends locally are couples with kids. In fact, there is only one established couple in my social circle. Everyone else is either wholly single or in recently formed relationships (less than 6 months).
The guy who dated a Hooters esque waitress (at this smaller breastaurant, the food is better and the clothes are skimpier, meaning that the waitresses are generally better looking than the typical Hooters girl) was congratulated by every guy that he knew. This guy seems to have a fetish for service industry workers, such as waitresses and bartenders. I saw some incompatibility between what his goals are and some common attributes of service industry workers. Mainly, the girls he would meet would often have young children, and he didn't desire to be around young children, especially children he didn't father. But the 19 year old was a prime target for him because she did not have children. I think they had some things in common.0 -
This one time, at band camp.....
I "approached" a really hot girl, and she wasn't interested. Later, I found out her cool older boyfriend had a car, so it wasn't me at all. It was the tier system. My personality deficits have nothing to do with why girls ignore me.0 -
I used to have a thing for waitresses and bartenders too. But mainly because when we went to the bar they were the only girls that would talk to us.stop looking for a woman 5 years younger than you. You'd be surprised how well you get along with women that are your own age or even a year or two older.
I will agree that it is better to meet some through a friend or some sort of activity in which you have something in common, but when you're a grown up like me most of your friends have kids and hang out with other couples that have kids. Online dating can work and can actually be fun if you don't take yourself too seriously.
None of my friends locally are couples with kids. In fact, there is only one established couple in my social circle. Everyone else is either wholly single or in recently formed relationships (less than 6 months).
The guy who dated a Hooters esque waitress (at this smaller breastaurant, the food is better and the clothes are skimpier, meaning that the waitresses are generally better looking than the typical Hooters girl) was congratulated by every guy that he knew. This guy seems to have a fetish for service industry workers, such as waitresses and bartenders. I saw some incompatibility between what his goals are and some common attributes of service industry workers. Mainly, the girls he would meet would often have young children, and he didn't desire to be around young children, especially children he didn't father. But the 19 year old was a prime target for him because she did not have children. I think they had some things in common.0 -
First, thank you Roadie. I couldn't have said it better.
Second, I have plenty of experience with "top tier" men....from them hitting on me, to dating to long term relationships. All over 35 and all agreeing that anything under 30 may be fun, but not relationship material.0 -
I used to have a thing for waitresses and bartenders too. But mainly because when we went to the bar they were the only girls that would talk to us.stop looking for a woman 5 years younger than you. You'd be surprised how well you get along with women that are your own age or even a year or two older.
I will agree that it is better to meet some through a friend or some sort of activity in which you have something in common, but when you're a grown up like me most of your friends have kids and hang out with other couples that have kids. Online dating can work and can actually be fun if you don't take yourself too seriously.
None of my friends locally are couples with kids. In fact, there is only one established couple in my social circle. Everyone else is either wholly single or in recently formed relationships (less than 6 months).
The guy who dated a Hooters esque waitress (at this smaller breastaurant, the food is better and the clothes are skimpier, meaning that the waitresses are generally better looking than the typical Hooters girl) was congratulated by every guy that he knew. This guy seems to have a fetish for service industry workers, such as waitresses and bartenders. I saw some incompatibility between what his goals are and some common attributes of service industry workers. Mainly, the girls he would meet would often have young children, and he didn't desire to be around young children, especially children he didn't father. But the 19 year old was a prime target for him because she did not have children. I think they had some things in common.
When I used to waitress, I would totally flirt with men for tips!0 -
I used to have a thing for waitresses and bartenders too. But mainly because when we went to the bar they were the only girls that would talk to us.
I do not have a thing for waitresses and bartenders. I read long ago that they are often bad news. Since my own college graduation, their schedules have typically varied from mine. I am a big believer in alignment of schedules. That's a key part of two people spending enough time together.
Also, it is wise not to hit on waitresses/bartenders while they are at work. Now, if you happen to run into one someone else and they are off duty and you two hit it off, then that would work. But there are inherent challenges.Second, I have plenty of experience with "top tier" men....from them hitting on me, to dating to long term relationships. All over 35 and all agreeing that anything under 30 may be fun, but not relationship material.
Eh. Some men have a banana shopping mentality, especially in the scenario of buying 5+ bananas to consume over a 7-10 day period. Over a 7-10 day period, one might look to buy all green bananas because green bananas will hold up better than bananas that are already yellow on day of purchase. Some men feel that younger women represent the green bananas. The younger women can be more malleable and are less likely to have the baggage of failed relationships, toxic exes, children and a negatively skewed perspective of men.0 -
I don't really understand the people who don't "believe" in tiers.
Why be so dishonest?
OK. Here is a simple experiment.
Simply turn on your TV and look at all the pop singers/bands on some music channel.
Do you think the people you see are on average "good looking" or "not so good looking"?
Now, do you think they have been chosen for this role for their music only or did the appearance come into play?
And more importantly, do you think you are the only one who think that, or do you think 99% of the people would give the same answer?
Yes, there are clearly "physical tiers" on which most people agree. To say the contrary is outright lying.
Yes, people can generally agree on who is better looking than who, and while they cannot agree on who is the "most good looking person" and the details of their choices might be different, most people can agree on tiers (which, I remind you, consist mathematically in putting people in 3 categories). And this is why this girl is working at Hooters and you're not. This is why this guy is a model and I'm not.
Sure, as Roadie said, this isn't cars we are talking about, this is people. And I agree with you that the idea isn't pleasant.
So what? Does that make it less real because people chose to not see it?
"Rating Attractiveness: Consensus Among Men, Not Women, Study Finds"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090626153511.htm
"Beauty Bias: Can People Love The One They Are Compatible With?"
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Eh. Some men have a banana shopping mentality, especially in the scenario of buying 5+ bananas to consume over a 7-10 day period. Over a 7-10 day period, one might look to buy all green bananas because green bananas will hold up better than bananas that are already yellow on day of purchase. Some men feel that younger women represent the green bananas. The younger women can be more malleable and are less likely to have the baggage of failed relationships, toxic exes, children and a negatively skewed perspective of men.
Eh, Yellow bananas are sweeter anyway. And, I'll satisfy a man more than 5+ green bananas anyday.
"Younger women can be more malleable"....if you go into a relationship expecting someone to change, then your relationship is doomed from the start.0 -
"Younger women can be more malleable"....if you go into a relationship expecting someone to change, then your relationship is doomed from the start.
If you approach dating as a quest to find a woman you can mold to your liking you will more than likely end up like this bro. Good luck with that!
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I don't really understand the people who don't "believe" in tiers.
Why be so dishonest?
OK. Here is a simple experiment.
Simply turn on your TV and look at all the pop singers/bands on some music channel.
Do you think the people you see are on average "good looking" or "not so good looking"?
Now, do you think they have been chosen for this role for their music only or did the appearance come into play?
And more importantly, do you think you are the only one who think that, or do you think 99% of the people would give the same answer?
Yes, there are clearly "physical tiers" on which most people agree. To say the contrary is outright lying.
Yes, people can generally agree on who is better looking than who, and while they cannot agree on who is the "most good looking person" and the details of their choices might be different, most people can agree on tiers (which, I remind you, consist mathematically in putting people in 3 categories). And this is why this girl is working at Hooters and you're not. This is why this guy is a model and I'm not.
Sure, as Roadie said, this isn't cars we are talking about, this is people. And I agree with you that the idea isn't pleasant.
So what? Does that make it less real because people chose to not see it?
"Rating Attractiveness: Consensus Among Men, Not Women, Study Finds"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090626153511.htm
"Beauty Bias: Can People Love The One They Are Compatible With?"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080211094943.htm
Rolling on the floor, howling with laughter here. Because the women on this board are envious of the woman who's a Hooters waitress?!?!?!?! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Flim - I think the annoyed responses have less to do with that tiers exist, and more to do with the two guys who constantly mention how top tier women don't to ABC or XYZ, while neither is top tier themselves, nor can they score a top tier woman. So instead they come on here and say "Oh, you use online dating? Yeah, pretty women don't have to do that".
The second reason it's so annoying is because for all practical purpose who you *kitten* to and who you fall asleep with are going to be different tiers (most likely) because when it comes to finding a partner ANYONE who has actually had a long term relationship can tell you, it's about more than appearances.
So here we have someone who can't even make a relationship last more than 2-4 weeks by his own admission coming on here and telling us all that we should be doing what his ideal woman does, and another telling us that we might as well all settle because even if we aren't old we're quickly getting there. These same people that have rated some of the most attractive women on this board (both physically and mentally) as 5/10 and 6/10 while rating themselves a laughable 7? That's just too precious.
Yeah. Peeps are gonna get annoyed yo.
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Any man in his 40s who I would consider to be "top tier" would have no interest in dating a 19 year old Hooters waitress. However, your definition of "top tier" may vary.0
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Flim - I think the annoyed responses have less to do with that tiers exist, and more to do with the two guys who constantly mention how top tier women don't to ABC or XYZ, while neither is top tier themselves, nor can they score a top tier woman. So instead they come on here and say "Oh, you use online dating? Yeah, pretty women don't have to do that".
The second reason it's so annoying is because for all practical purpose who you *kitten* to and who you fall asleep with are going to be different tiers (most likely) because when it comes to finding a partner ANYONE who has actually had a long term relationship can tell you, it's about more than appearances.
So here we have someone who can't even make a relationship last more than 2-4 weeks by his own admission coming on here and telling us all that we should be doing what his ideal woman does, and another telling us that we might as well all settle because even if we aren't old we're quickly getting there. These same people that have rated some of the most attractive women on this board (both physically and mentally) as 5/10 and 6/10 while rating themselves a laughable 7? That's just too precious.
Yeah. Peeps are gonna get annoyed yo.
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I'm gonna save DM and Mike a ton of time in the future. Dating young doesn't mean you can 'mold' them - NO ONE CAN CHANGE ANYONE no matter their age. Period. End of sentence. 40 year old men and 19 year old women have NOTHING in common but being horny. I think the men who feel the need to date 5-10 years under their age as a rule have self-esteem issues (has to have something young and pretty on their arm all the time to feel adequate). Having these "rules" is limiting and will cause you to be single and lonely for a long, long time.
Mike, I don't know what has made you such a bitter, ageist, sexist PIA, but I feel bad for you. DM, I'm just assuming someone in your youth influenced your thinking incorrectly. Please don't tell women that Online dating is only for "ugly chicks" - it's for anyone who is having a hard time meeting people on a day to day basis. It works for some, it doesn't work for everyone. I guess no one ever taught you 2 that if you don't have anything nice to say you should keep your yap shut.
Ok, I said my piece. Ladies, I realize these guys are infuriating but feeding them only makes them stronger. It's like Mogwai, if you feed them after midnight you might want to exit the room. Men, there are differing thoughts here on "tiers", but last time I checked all of you were single. Maybe you are doing something wrong?0 -
I think the majority of people in singers/bands are pretty average looking. Sure you have Katy Perry and Beyonce, but you also have Nicki Minaj and Lady Gaga. We might think they look better than they do because they have stylists and wear about 3 lbs of make-up. Actors are different though, they are usually pretty attractive.I don't really understand the people who don't "believe" in tiers.
Why be so dishonest?
OK. Here is a simple experiment.
Simply turn on your TV and look at all the pop singers/bands on some music channel.
Do you think the people you see are on average "good looking" or "not so good looking"?
Now, do you think they have been chosen for this role for their music only or did the appearance come into play?
And more importantly, do you think you are the only one who think that, or do you think 99% of the people would give the same answer?
Yes, there are clearly "physical tiers" on which most people agree. To say the contrary is outright lying.
Yes, people can generally agree on who is better looking than who, and while they cannot agree on who is the "most good looking person" and the details of their choices might be different, most people can agree on tiers (which, I remind you, consist mathematically in putting people in 3 categories). And this is why this girl is working at Hooters and you're not. This is why this guy is a model and I'm not.
Sure, as Roadie said, this isn't cars we are talking about, this is people. And I agree with you that the idea isn't pleasant.
So what? Does that make it less real because people chose to not see it?
The tier system is only useful from a strictly cosmetic perspective. But in real life there are so many more factors that would effect how datable someone is. Sorry, but if someone looks like a 10 but is bipolar, has an IQ of 60, works as a bartender, and has herpes, she's down to about a 3. Sure you might get a couple high fives from random guys but in reality it's just not worth it.0 -
The tier system is only useful from a strictly cosmetic perspective. But in real life there are so many more factors that would effect how datable someone is.
Looks are not the only factor, but they are a key factor. Without passing muster on looks, it can be difficult to delve deeper.
There also seems to be a misinterpretation of what I mean by malleable. I don't believe in changing a person. But certain behaviors can be changed. A few years ago, when playing tennis, I got some instruction about changing my stance on approaching the ball. I've adopted more of an open stance forehand. My open stance forehand example shows what I mean by malleability. According to those who criticized me on my usage of the word of malleable, I should not have adopted the new stance because I had been playing tennis for a long time. I don't believe in changing the essential characteristics of a person, but when you are younger, you are more open to new ideas and new perspectives without compromising your essential characteristics. You are less set in your ways.
When my cousin was 25, he started dating an 18 year old. If he had started dating a 25 year old when he was 25, that relationship would have had a wholly different dynamic. With the 18 year old, she had her essential characteristics but she was open to new ideas and more malleable to the dynamics that my cousin likely desired in a relationship. Many years later, they are now married. Meanwhile, the woman who my cousin dated before her, she is still unmarried today and is dramatically different in philosophical approach to life than the woman my cousin married from the limited information that I know.0 -
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The tier system is only useful from a strictly cosmetic perspective. But in real life there are so many more factors that would effect how datable someone is.
Looks are not the only factor, but they are a key factor. Without passing muster on looks, it can be difficult to delve deeper.
There also seems to be a misinterpretation of what I mean by malleable. I don't believe in changing a person. But certain behaviors can be changed. A few years ago, when playing tennis, I got some instruction about changing my stance on approaching the ball. I've adopted more of an open stance forehand. My open stance forehand example shows what I mean by malleability. According to those who criticized me on my usage of the word of malleable, I should not have adopted the new stance because I had been playing tennis for a long time. I don't believe in changing the essential characteristics of a person, but when you are younger, you are more open to new ideas and new perspectives without compromising your essential characteristics. You are less set in your ways.
When my cousin was 25, he started dating an 18 year old. If he had started dating a 25 year old when he was 25, that relationship would have had a wholly different dynamic. With the 18 year old, she had her essential characteristics but she was open to new ideas and more malleable to the dynamics that my cousin likely desired in a relationship. Many years later, they are now married. Meanwhile, the woman who my cousin dated before her, she is still unmarried today and is dramatically different in philosophical approach to life than the woman my cousin married from the limited information that I know.
Wait 18?
and 25?
Wow where was the 18 yr olds father lol.... I mean legally we are adults at 18 but mentally she wasnt even close to being where he is . Where did he take her the park or day care.... I mean did he wait til she graduated or was he her date to prom.... " Sorry boss can't work late gotta take my GF to Prom lol"0 -
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Hey, you're... back
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Sorry DM, a 25 year old dating an 18 year old is seriously CREEPY no matter what gender either party is! :noway:0
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Sorry DM, a 25 year old dating an 18 year old is seriously CREEPY no matter what gender either party is! :noway:
I disagree. I think it's fine.
Unless the purpose of him dating an 18-year-old is to shape her into his version of an ideal woman. THAT is creepy.
You aren't correcting a stance to improve someone's tennis game. This is a human being that you are attempting to manufacture.0 -
Mike, I don't know what has made you such a bitter, ageist, sexist PIA, but I feel bad for you. DM, I'm just assuming someone in your youth influenced your thinking incorrectly. Please don't tell women that Online dating is only for "ugly chicks" - it's for anyone who is having a hard time meeting people on a day to day basis. It works for some, it doesn't work for everyone. I guess no one ever taught you 2 that if you don't have anything nice to say you should keep your yap shut.
Ok, I said my piece. Ladies, I realize these guys are infuriating but feeding them only makes them stronger. It's like Mogwai, if you feed them after midnight you might want to exit the room. Men, there are differing thoughts here on "tiers", but last time I checked all of you were single. Maybe you are doing something wrong?
LOL!
I'm not bitter at all. I have a great job, life, friends, etc etc. For someone who's supposedly in love with their boyfriend, you do come off as very angry sometimes. Maybe if you can keep your huge ego in check, you'll be much happier.
For the record, I'm not ageist at all. In fact, I've slept with many women who were 10+ years older than me. I have nothing against older woman at all, but they have to realize that most men prefer younger women. Maybe it's biological, I really don't know. But, men look at the entire picture, just not at her DOB. Most would take a hot 40 year old over some obese 20-something slob.
OK, you're right, I'm single (as are many people on here). I could have EASILY married some average woman years ago. I had a friend who settled for an overweight girl and is miserable as hell in his marriage. He cheats regularly on her and treats her like crap. It's a sad situation. I'd rather be single than settle.0 -
I have an 18 year old niece and I wouldn't be thrilled with hearing that she's dating a 25 year old, but I'd hold off judgement until meeting the person. As for the rest of the anecdote, I am laughing at the thought of being 25 and set in your ways. Thank GOD I've changed a lot since 25.
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