Well he's not bad looking for a spoilt rich kid, but he still needs to go back to driving the weinermobile and leave politics for people who have actually had to work for a living.

Really? Because that's SO many of our elected representatives.

He's more than the idealogue. He's generally respected on both sides of the partisan divide (at least at the governemental level, certainly not at the media level) as a serious guy with considered positions and serious plans for a different direction fiscally for the country than the current administration. Many people disagree with that plan, but he's not just calling for the status quo.

He's seen actually as a bit of policy wonk and his positions economicalky are not particularly those of the Republican orthodoxy, per se, but more of the think tanks and conservative intelligensia. But he's not parroting some party-line, he's the guy who developed the line as far as the economy goes on the right by writing the so-called Ryan Budget which would slash federal entitlement funding which he believes is unsustainable over the long-term.

His social positions are...well...he's Catholic and his voting on the issues reflects that. Anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-hate crime, anti-stimulus (for the most part, there were exceptions).

Ostensibly he was chosen by Romney to solidify the party behind Romney. The fact that Roney needed to solidify the party even after winning the nomination in a year where the sitting president is so despised by the opposition that many do not even recognize or accept that he is an American citizen kinda speaks to his chances in the fall.

Dammit, treetop! Get outta my head! I had that half typed! Although to be fair, I would have said "they" because I am a God-fearin' straight white male member of the vast right wing conspiracy (VRWC).

Fear not, jq2122. These heathen commies survived Dubya - aka Chmipy McBush*tler - just like we - the God fearing residents of Rock Ridge - and the country, will survive that islamist Kenyan community organizin' 'Merica hatin' jug-eared commie.

It's only four more years...after this one that is. And then at least 4 of Hillary. Maybe, just maybe, the GOP will ahve managed to drag itself into the 20th century by then and nominate someone who has a reasonable shot at getting elected and who represents more than the narrowest of narrow minorioties (i.e. the rapidly shrinking GOP so-con base) instead of dithering madly over fools and then defaulting to the guy whose turn it's perceived to be.

LOVE this from the PP: Liberals rail on Romney for actually having a job and earning a lot of money, but Ryan is to be ridiculed for being elected to Congress (in a Democratic district) at the age of 28 and again every 2 years after that.

Here's my take on a few things. I don't follow the news and politics as closely as I used too, but I am probably still more tuned in than most of my friends, but I get annoyed when they automatically hated the guy because he was labelled "a conservative" with out knowing much. I'm not saying that is happening in the debate, because I have been around enough to know that usually people have actual knowlege of a subject. I just get annoyed at the two party system.

But here is what I find interesting. Ryan is known as a big time conservative from what I have gathered, social and fiscal. Could it be that the Republicans find Obama so weak that they think they can maybe get a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar right person into office? Because that is the only thing that makes sense to me. Romeny picking an arch conservative to bolster his pouplarity with the far right is preposterous. They hate Obama so bad that if a wild mongoose had won the nomination for the republicans, they would vote for him. And I don't see how the pick of Ryan bolsters him with Independents either, so what crowd are they looking to target? It was just a confusing pick for me because, call me cynical, I highly doubt that Romney picked him based on merit ( not knocking repubs, both parties do it), but based on what votes he brings to the table. So how does Ryan help Romney win?

But I must say this....gorgeous ticket. If I were gay, I would want to run my fingers through both of these guys manes of beautiful hair. Is their a way we can elect just Romey and Ryan's hair?

But then, I wanted Huntsman so WTF do I know?

At least Huntsman wouldn't offend our allies... :laugh:

But then, I wanted Huntsman so WTF do I know?

At least Huntsman wouldn't offend our allies... :laugh:

Never happen. Huntsman made the unforgivable sin of working with Obama. But a race between him and Obama would be something to see.

Well he's not bad looking for a spoilt rich kid, but he still needs to go back to driving the weinermobile and leave politics for people who have actually had to work for a living.

Really? Because that's SO many of our elected representatives.

I'm aware. I'm not a Democrat, before you waste your time going down that road. I vote Green and Socialist.

Well he's not bad looking for a spoilt rich kid, but he still needs to go back to driving the weinermobile and leave politics for people who have actually had to work for a living.

Really? Because that's SO many of our elected representatives.

I'm aware. I'm not a Democrat, before you waste your time going down that road. I vote Green and Socialist.

So honest question here (ok, with a bit of facetious-ness because that's just me)... would you or are you going to vote for Roseanne Barr? Just curious because I don't think I have ever known anyone that votes for the Green Party and I'm curious as to whether she is a serious Green candidate or just there because there is no way in hell anyone without the R or D behind there name will ever win in a million lifetimes (I say this as a Libertarian leaning Republican that will most likely vote Libertarian as a protest vote).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr

Roseanne Cherrie Barr (born November 3, 1952) is an American actress, comedienne, writer, television producer, director and 2012 presidential nominee of the California-based Peace and Freedom Party.

. . . .

In early 2012, Barr announced her candidacy for the Presidential nomination of the Green Party.[2] Barr lost the nomination to Jill Stein.[3] She then sought the presidential nomination of the Peace and Freedom Party, which she won on August 4, 2012.[4]

2. "Roseanne Barr for President!". Retrieved 1 June 2012. http://www.roseanneforpresident2012.org/
3. "Green Party Nominates Jill Stein for President". C-SPAN. July 14, 2012. Retrieved July 16, 2012. http://www.c-span.org/Events/C-SPAN-Event/10737432256/
4. Yoon, Robert (August 5, 2012). "TRENDING: America one step closer to President Roseanne". CNN. Retrieved August 5, 2012. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/05/america-one-step-closer-to-president-roseanne/

But then, I wanted Huntsman so WTF do I know?

At least Huntsman wouldn't offend our allies... :laugh:

Never happen. Huntsman made the unforgivable sin of working with Obama. But a race between him and Obama would be something to see.

I wanted him to break out in one of the debates and just say directly to the camera, "Look, I'm not going to bother debating these troglodytes who cannot even acknowledge basic science. It's gob-smacking to me that I am losing to the little Hitler girl, her crazy Paul Bunyan-esque racist Texan, that pizza guy who just says 9-9-9 over and over and calls himself Black Walnut, the little leprechaun stoner who wants us back on the gold standard, Newt...F*CKING NEWT!, Senator Man on Dog, and the Mormon Politi-bot (and I'm a goddamn Mormon!) that is Willard Mittens Romney. Honest to f*cking christ people. Are y'all that f*cking dumb? I'm the only one up here who doesn't take pride in my insanity and I'm losing to ALL of them? Y'know what? *kitten* you. You pick one of these idiots, lose to Obama again and then cry when he stacks the Supreme Court for the next 50 years. It's your own stupid fault. Or, y'know, we could try to look rationally at how to govern and rebuild trust in this nation. No? Ok, *kitten* you, you buncha red-neck inbred cracker *kitten*. Call me in four years if you want to get serious about being a national party again." And then walked off the stage.

I love all the attacks on Ryan for not having a "real job." And the clown in the White House had a real job ... when?

Liberals rail on Romney for actually having a job and earning a lot of money, but Ryan is to be ridiculed for being elected to Congress (in a Democratic district) at the age of 28 and again every 2 years after that.

Ryan is a congressman from Wisconsin. By republican standards, he is considered an "intellectual". He made his national reputation by pushing a budget plan that would dismantle both Medicare and Social Security, institute even larger tax cuts for wealthy Americans, increase defense spending and eviscerate all domestic programs. Ryan's proposed cuts are so severe, they have even earned him a rebuke from the US Catholic bishops.

His proposal to dismantle Medicare was instrumental in the loss of several republican congressional seats (in NY and PA) during special elections held after 2010. Romney's staff didn't really want him (if this story is to be believed: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/romney-picked-ryan-over-advisors-early-doubts). It is commonly believed that the choice was A) forced on Romney by conservatives in the republican base who still doubt Romney's conservative bona fides; Combination of A and the fact that Romney has seen recent polls tilt dramatically towards Obama and felt he needed a "hail Mary" game-changer pick to create excitement--a la McCain's pick of Sarah Palin in 2008.

Ryan is also one of the leaders of the "your vaginas belong to us" faction of the US Congress.

Ryan is typical of the frauds who populate the "young lions" of today's republican party. After his lawyer father died when he was young, Ryan received Social Security survivor benefits --which he banked to help pay for his college education. Since he graduated from college, Ryan spent his entire career working in government jobs, and living off of "wingnut welfare" -- i.e. the Koch brothers.

So here you have a man who has spent his entire life living off the support of federal government campaigning against the "evils" of federal government support. Or as one columnist wrote:

The man who wants to make the world safe for swashbuckling, risk-taking capitalists hasn’t spent a day at economic risk in his entire life.

Like many people whose moral development stopped at about the level of a 10-year-old, Ryan is a devotee of the writings of Ayn Rand. Like his soul mate, the merkin-haired son of Ron Paul-Sen Rand Paul of Kentucky--Ryan believes we now live in a world where

We risk hitting a tipping point in our society where we have more takers than makers ...

in which--of course--the "makers" are the super rich and pampered yuppy larvae like Ryan (even though he has hardly ever worked at a "real" job in his life) and Paul, and the "takers" are this vague, faceless (but not colorless) horde whooping it up at everyone else's expense.

The interesting thing about the Ryan pick--good or bad--is that it will likely change the entire focus of the Romney campaign. Up to now, the entire focus of the campaign has been to make the 2012 election a referendum on the Obama presidency. Given the slow economic recovery and high jobless numbers, Romney figured he could just run as the "not Obama" candidate. Hence his refusal to make any specific proposals, refusal to release tax returns, etc.

However, with the choice of Ryan, the election will now become a campaign about ideas, and a choice between two definite visions for the future. Instead of just saying "Obama screwed up" over and over and over again, Romney is now responsible for all of Ryan's proposals. He must know support the dismantling of Medicare, privatization of Social Security, absurd budget projections, etc, etc. With the intense spotlight of a presidential campaign, those proposals will now be investigated with intense scrutiny.

It makes you wonder if the Romney campaign is truly that feckless or if they felt that desperate.

^ this.

Ryan is a dream pick for the Obama campaign.

Which is what the liberal mainstream media wants you to believe but then again they've had years of practice trying to spin Obama's "accomplishments".

Which is what the liberal mainstream media wants you to believe but then again they've had years of practice trying to spin Obama's "accomplishments".

Lol. Funny, you just proved my point in my previous post. If you don't mind, could you please tell me what Obama has accomplished over the last 3+ years?