Former Marine Detained over Facebook posts
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Has anyone here been reading up on Brandon Raub? The former Marine and who is currently being detained for posting his opinions on facebook? https://www.facebook.com/groups/188319494633640/
I know some of his posts are whacky and honestly, I have several friends who post similar things. Saying you are going to lead a revolution does not qualify you as a terrorist! They are sick of the corruption of this government and are trying to make a stand. We have American citizens being killed by our own drones, American citizens being jailed for their right to free speech. Our Constitution is meaningless to our leaders and the people have NO control over the government.. Tell me why no one is doing anything about it?
I swear the more I see happening in this world the more I am starting to feel like I'm living the plot of V for Vendetta....
I know some of his posts are whacky and honestly, I have several friends who post similar things. Saying you are going to lead a revolution does not qualify you as a terrorist! They are sick of the corruption of this government and are trying to make a stand. We have American citizens being killed by our own drones, American citizens being jailed for their right to free speech. Our Constitution is meaningless to our leaders and the people have NO control over the government.. Tell me why no one is doing anything about it?
I swear the more I see happening in this world the more I am starting to feel like I'm living the plot of V for Vendetta....
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I couldn't find what he said, but this is a bit weird. I'll have to look into it a bit more.0
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Interesting0
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Two names for you: Milgram and Zimbardo.0
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Coincidentally, this year also marks the 20th anniversary of Ruby Ridge, another massive (and tragic) abuse of federal power. It is not new, and it is not going away. As long as American Idol is on TV and McDonald's has a dollar menu, not enough Americans care what the government is doing.0
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From his Facebook page:
"Brandon J Raub
If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. Some of leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush's are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I'm crazy? Think again."
This though is my personal favorite:
"Brandon J Raub
What I need is for someone to come pick me up so we can get the revolution started"
They did, buddy. They did.0 -
From his Facebook page:
"Brandon J Raub
If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. Some of leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush's are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I'm crazy? Think again."
This though is my personal favorite:
"Brandon J Raub
What I need is for someone to come pick me up so we can get the revolution started"
They did, buddy. They did.
I like this one.
"Do you know why the American people will win the civil war that is coming? Because we are Americans."0 -
I don't know what he has said. But I do know that men and women in the military are not afford as much freedom of speech as we are. I don't know if his punishment necessarily fits the crime as I don't know the whole story. But I do know that military personnel cannot so much as criticize the President... I know that even as a dependent my dad would advise mom and us kids not to criticize the President or the Government as he may feel the repercussions.0
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He sounds like he needs mental help, something the government doesn't do nearly enough of for vets.0
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So, maybe this is just me, but when people with military training start showing signs of mental disturbance and calling for revolution, I consider that a public danger. Turning this into a first amendment issue just delays getting him necessary mental treatment and puts people at risk of becoming the next, "We should have seen it coming" news story.0
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He is not active duty. He is a former Marine. He has also stated that he swore to up hold the constitution and that is what he is doing. The government is not holding up their end of the oath but he will do as he swore to do, Defend the constitution.I don't know what he has said. But I do know that men and women in the military are not afford as much freedom of speech as we are. I don't know if his punishment necessarily fits the crime as I don't know the whole story. But I do know that military personnel cannot so much as criticize the President... I know that even as a dependent my dad would advise mom and us kids not to criticize the President or the Government as he may feel the repercussions.0 -
So, maybe this is just me, but when people with military training start showing signs of mental disturbance and calling for revolution, I consider that a public danger. Turning this into a first amendment issue just delays getting him necessary mental treatment and puts people at risk of becoming the next, "We should have seen it coming" news story.
First, his family and friends have said he has showed no signs of PTSD. They have all said he is his normal self, even after his two tours and is very passionate about his country and a very patriotic person. They only people who have brought up his mental state are the authorities who illegally detained him.
Why can't someone who SERVED the military feel a revolution is needed? Almost every active duty soldier or Vet I know is horrified by our government. Is it a coincidence that Ron Paul is the only Constitutional candidate who believes in legal warfare and withdrawing our troops from the current illegal wars we are involved in has the largest fraction of retired/active duty military?
They swear to defend the constitution and this country. I see nothing wrong with that, especially when the government is the threat/enemy. Seeing/saying that the government has become an abusive power doesn't make you crazy.
Regardless of what he says, it's just ok to illegally arrest an American Citizen and detain them for speaking? If so, then can't the Westboro baptist folks be arrested.. Or is just picking and choosing who has a right to speak freely is fair?0 -
Mandy, have you read through that page? All of it?
He's been committed for a 30-day psychiatric evaluation. It's not like he's been renditioned to a black site in the Balkans.
Also, it has been alleged repeatedly, in several places,that what's left on the site is NOT what was there all along, that the site has been sanitized by the family of direct threats to the public which had grown more violent and numerous in the days leading up to his arrest. Someone reported it.0 -
Mandy, have you read through that page? All of it?
He's been committed for a 30-day psychiatric evaluation. It's not like he's been renditioned to a black site in the Balkans.
Also, it has been alleged repeatedly, in several places,that what's left on the site is NOT what was there all along, that the site has been sanitized by the family of direct threats to the public which had grown more violent and numerous in the days leading up to his arrest. Someone reported it.
Yes, I have. I may not agree with everything he had to say but I can't just someone for the way they word their feelings. I've also seen the page and comments that got him arrested. Like I said, I have a few friends on my facebook that say similiar things what this guy did. One of them has dedicated his life to educating people on the corruption of our government. I don't believe everything he posts, I personally, wouldn't say some of the things he says but he has the right to free speech, That is the whole point of all of this.0 -
Mandy, have you read through that page? All of it?
He's been committed for a 30-day psychiatric evaluation. It's not like he's been renditioned to a black site in the Balkans.
Also, it has been alleged repeatedly, in several places,that what's left on the site is NOT what was there all along, that the site has been sanitized by the family of direct threats to the public which had grown more violent and numerous in the days leading up to his arrest. Someone reported it.
Yes, I have. I may not agree with everything he had to say but I can't just someone for the way they word their feelings. I've also seen the page and comments that got him arrested. Like I said, I have a few friends on my facebook that say similiar things what this guy did. One of them has dedicated his life to educating people on the corruption of our government. I don't believe everything he posts, I personally, wouldn't say some of the things he says but he has the right to free speech, That is the whole point of all of this.
What corruption do you speak of? I really want to know what kind of corruption exists in our governmental system because I've lived in 3rd world countries where corruption is evident in every single aspect of life. From paying off school officials to let a boy who never goes to school but has wealthy parents, for a diploma up to the authorities that ask for a bribe in order to say that you paid your taxes. People throw the notion of corruption around so loosely in this country.
Regarding the marine, have you notice the poor psychological help that is offered to military with post traumatic stress disorder? It's really inefficient to say the least. I don't see all the crap he is spewing any different than all the other people who keep posting about how they will keep their guns or people making videos about 9./11 conspiracy theories.0 -
His posts mirror many of my friends. Far be it from me to scoff at conspiracy theorists or patriots, calling for a revolution is vague and often rhetoric. I don't have time to read his entire page, but if he is in no way advocating for violence, then what is the problem? Peaceful revolutions happen all the time. Even if he's wrong about everything, even if he is an idiot, last time I checked, it was still legal to be a douche bag.0
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That's the thing, though, Adrian. The allegation is that what is currently represented on his page is NOT what was reported. The allegation is that he was making direct threats about violence toward the public and that those posts have since been deleted.His posts mirror many of my friends. Far be it from me to scoff at conspiracy theorists or patriots, calling for a revolution is vague and often rhetoric. I don't have time to read his entire page, but if he is in no way advocating for violence, then what is the problem? Peaceful revolutions happen all the time. Even if he's wrong about everything, even if he is an idiot, last time I checked, it was still legal to be a douche bag.0 -
I'm all for actual threats being investigated, but you're wading into dangerous territory when you start suggesting that just because someone says something that you think is crazy, he deserves to be investigated or committed for psychiatric evaluation. It deeply troubles me that an American citizen can be taken away by law enforcement because someone thought he was a nutjob and reported him for what he posted on Facebook. Again, if he made actual threats against specific individuals, then by all means, get to the bottom of it. But as far as I know, there are no laws that give the government the right to hold you against your will for saying things that some random person thought were strange. I've posted a lot of anti-government thoughts on my Facebook page. And I'd have a real problem with someone reporting me to the authorities just because they personally believed I was dangerous for having a different opinion of government than they do. Hitler used these "tattle on your neighbor" tactics to take over Germany once upon a time.
Earlier this week, I read a story about a Muslim group hosting a prayer gathering in a city park. On the group's website, someone posted a comment about how he/she was going to show up at the park and "do something with a fat pig," referring, of course, to the fact that Muslims are forbidden from eating pork. Personally, I found it to be ridiculous, hateful, and completely unnecessary ... but not illegal. In the article I read, local law enforcement said they were investigating the username of the person who posted the offensive comment on the group's website, hoping to find out who the person is. Why? Is posting something offensive on the Internet now a crime? I'm not saying I agree with what the person did, but why is law enforcement investigating someone who hasn't broken any laws? I'm suddenly reminded of Robert Kennedy hammering away at law enforcement officials in the south back in the '60s when black people were being arrested because law enforcement thought they were ABOUT to break the law.0 -
Ok... I see now. I agree with the assessment that the Government doesn't do enough to help the men and women that sacrifice their limbs or their minds in "protecting" the government and our interests.
Turtle, just because the corruption is more covert than in a third world country, it doesn't mean it's not there. When a politician is setting things up for their own success and to the detriment, not the success of the people they govern, that in my mind is corruption. One doesn't need to systematically euthinize groups of people to be corrupt.... Just like poverty is relative, so is corruption.... many people in this country think they are poor, but they have way more than the impoverished in Africa or Asia... the "poor" here have tv's and even cars... but that doesn't mean they aren't poor... that just means they are poor compared to what others are. We have corruption when money is what fuels wars, not principle or actual threat (as opposed to perceived threat)... We have corruption when when the same businesses that are 'saved' by the government are the ones that give millions of dollars to political candidates during an election cycle... While it may not be as heinous as what happens in Sudan or Uganda, it doesn't mean it's not corrupt.0 -
Oh and I agree... if he made direct threats, then have them investigated and be done with it... but if they are vague (or even not) comments about a general revolution, then leave it be... while he may need psychological help and he should get it.. that doesn't mean he should be arrested over it... otherwise, arrest the Lubbock county judge that said that they raised the Tax rate to beef up the local and county police in the case of Obama getting re-elected and the revolution that will ensue afterwards. As well as warding off UN police forces.
People say crap things all the time... we can't arrest everyone for doing so.0 -
I'm all for actual threats being investigated, but you're wading into dangerous territory when you start suggesting that just because someone says something that you think is crazy, he deserves to be investigated or committed for psychiatric evaluation. It deeply troubles me that an American citizen can be taken away by law enforcement because someone thought he was a nutjob and reported him for what he posted on Facebook. Again, if he made actual threats against specific individuals, then by all means, get to the bottom of it. But as far as I know, there are no laws that give the government the right to hold you against your will for saying things that some random person thought were strange. I've posted a lot of anti-government thoughts on my Facebook page. And I'd have a real problem with someone reporting me to the authorities just because they personally believed I was dangerous for having a different opinion of government than they do. Hitler used these "tattle on your neighbor" tactics to take over Germany once upon a time.
Earlier this week, I read a story about a Muslim group hosting a prayer gathering in a city park. On the group's website, someone posted a comment about how he/she was going to show up at the park and "do something with a fat pig," referring, of course, to the fact that Muslims are forbidden from eating pork. Personally, I found it to be ridiculous, hateful, and completely unnecessary ... but not illegal. In the article I read, local law enforcement said they were investigating the username of the person who posted the offensive comment on the group's website, hoping to find out who the person is. Why? Is posting something offensive on the Internet now a crime? I'm not saying I agree with what the person did, but why is law enforcement investigating someone who hasn't broken any laws? I'm suddenly reminded of Robert Kennedy hammering away at law enforcement officials in the south back in the '60s when black people were being arrested because law enforcement thought they were ABOUT to break the law.
They are investigating who that person is because someone left bacon all over the benches in the park the morning of the prayer gathering. (If this is the Staten Island case.)0 -
That's the thing, though, Adrian. The allegation is that what is currently represented on his page is NOT what was reported. The allegation is that he was making direct threats about violence toward the public and that those posts have since been deleted.His posts mirror many of my friends. Far be it from me to scoff at conspiracy theorists or patriots, calling for a revolution is vague and often rhetoric. I don't have time to read his entire page, but if he is in no way advocating for violence, then what is the problem? Peaceful revolutions happen all the time. Even if he's wrong about everything, even if he is an idiot, last time I checked, it was still legal to be a douche bag.
Oh, well then **** him. One, for advocating violence. Second...for putting it on the internet.0 -
Mandy, have you read through that page? All of it?
He's been committed for a 30-day psychiatric evaluation. It's not like he's been renditioned to a black site in the Balkans.
Also, it has been alleged repeatedly, in several places,that what's left on the site is NOT what was there all along, that the site has been sanitized by the family of direct threats to the public which had grown more violent and numerous in the days leading up to his arrest. Someone reported it.
Yes, I have. I may not agree with everything he had to say but I can't just someone for the way they word their feelings. I've also seen the page and comments that got him arrested. Like I said, I have a few friends on my facebook that say similiar things what this guy did. One of them has dedicated his life to educating people on the corruption of our government. I don't believe everything he posts, I personally, wouldn't say some of the things he says but he has the right to free speech, That is the whole point of all of this.
What corruption do you speak of? I really want to know what kind of corruption exists in our governmental system because I've lived in 3rd world countries where corruption is evident in every single aspect of life. From paying off school officials to let a boy who never goes to school but has wealthy parents, for a diploma up to the authorities that ask for a bribe in order to say that you paid your taxes. People throw the notion of corruption around so loosely in this country.
Regarding the marine, have you notice the poor psychological help that is offered to military with post traumatic stress disorder? It's really inefficient to say the least. I don't see all the crap he is spewing any different than all the other people who keep posting about how they will keep their guns or people making videos about 9./11 conspiracy theories.
You want me to point out corruption in the US government? This this a joke?
In the past 3 years there have been NINE incidents/scandals involving members of congress and white house staff resulting in impeachments, resignations or jail time. From money laundering, selling guns to criminals, leaking information to private agencies, tampering with witness testimony, tax evasion and sexual harassment. Not to mention the laws and policies put in place that are completely illegal according to our Constitution: The Patriot Act, Obamacare and NDAA.
And in regards to your last statement, What he is saying is really NO different than things us 'gun toting' folk say or what the conspiracy theory people say. But those people get to say it because of the first amendment, so why is this person jailed without his Miranda rights? There is corruption for ya.0 -
That's the thing, though, Adrian. The allegation is that what is currently represented on his page is NOT what was reported. The allegation is that he was making direct threats about violence toward the public and that those posts have since been deleted.His posts mirror many of my friends. Far be it from me to scoff at conspiracy theorists or patriots, calling for a revolution is vague and often rhetoric. I don't have time to read his entire page, but if he is in no way advocating for violence, then what is the problem? Peaceful revolutions happen all the time. Even if he's wrong about everything, even if he is an idiot, last time I checked, it was still legal to be a douche bag.
Even from his deleted posts, there was nothings specific that would classify him as a threat or a terrorist. He is being investigated for terrorism! He never posted a single word of what he would do or a plan of action. His did post what some would believe to be poetic phrases about 'sharpening a sword and bringing down a hammer' or it's 'time to start the revolution" and listing where he lived but he never once said anything specific that would pose a threat to this country. Every single thing he posted that is being investigated was extremely patriotic, yet anti-government..0 -
I'm all for actual threats being investigated, but you're wading into dangerous territory when you start suggesting that just because someone says something that you think is crazy, he deserves to be investigated or committed for psychiatric evaluation. It deeply troubles me that an American citizen can be taken away by law enforcement because someone thought he was a nutjob and reported him for what he posted on Facebook. Again, if he made actual threats against specific individuals, then by all means, get to the bottom of it. But as far as I know, there are no laws that give the government the right to hold you against your will for saying things that some random person thought were strange. I've posted a lot of anti-government thoughts on my Facebook page. And I'd have a real problem with someone reporting me to the authorities just because they personally believed I was dangerous for having a different opinion of government than they do. Hitler used these "tattle on your neighbor" tactics to take over Germany once upon a time.
Earlier this week, I read a story about a Muslim group hosting a prayer gathering in a city park. On the group's website, someone posted a comment about how he/she was going to show up at the park and "do something with a fat pig," referring, of course, to the fact that Muslims are forbidden from eating pork. Personally, I found it to be ridiculous, hateful, and completely unnecessary ... but not illegal. In the article I read, local law enforcement said they were investigating the username of the person who posted the offensive comment on the group's website, hoping to find out who the person is. Why? Is posting something offensive on the Internet now a crime? I'm not saying I agree with what the person did, but why is law enforcement investigating someone who hasn't broken any laws? I'm suddenly reminded of Robert Kennedy hammering away at law enforcement officials in the south back in the '60s when black people were being arrested because law enforcement thought they were ABOUT to break the law.
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Has anyone here been reading up on Brandon Raub? The former Marine and who is currently being detained for posting his opinions on facebook? https://www.facebook.com/groups/188319494633640/
I know some of his posts are whacky and honestly, I have several friends who post similar things. Saying you are going to lead a revolution does not qualify you as a terrorist! They are sick of the corruption of this government and are trying to make a stand. We have American citizens being killed by our own drones, American citizens being jailed for their right to free speech. Our Constitution is meaningless to our leaders and the people have NO control over the government.. Tell me why no one is doing anything about it?
I swear the more I see happening in this world the more I am starting to feel like I'm living the plot of V for Vendetta....
I can't look up Facebook here at work, but... Do you know what G.I stands for. Government Issue. When you are in the military, you have signed a contract and are expected to adhere to a stringent military standard. The expectation is even greater as a Marine. The motto "Semper Fidelis" means "Always Faithful".
There has been no draft for 40 years, so he apparently joined of his own free will. He needs to live up to the standards of the Marine Corps or get out.
When will people learn not to post every dumbass thought that passes through their mind on FB? It's not like this is the first time it has bitten someone in the a ss.0 -
When was the first you heard about Brandon?Even from his deleted posts, there was nothings specific that would classify him as a threat or a terrorist. He is being investigated for terrorism! He never posted a single word of what he would do or a plan of action. His did post what some would believe to be poetic phrases about 'sharpening a sword and bringing down a hammer' or it's 'time to start the revolution" and listing where he lived but he never once said anything specific that would pose a threat to this country. Every single thing he posted that is being investigated was extremely patriotic, yet anti-government.0 -
Has anyone here been reading up on Brandon Raub? The former Marine and who is currently being detained for posting his opinions on facebook? https://www.facebook.com/groups/188319494633640/
I know some of his posts are whacky and honestly, I have several friends who post similar things. Saying you are going to lead a revolution does not qualify you as a terrorist! They are sick of the corruption of this government and are trying to make a stand. We have American citizens being killed by our own drones, American citizens being jailed for their right to free speech. Our Constitution is meaningless to our leaders and the people have NO control over the government.. Tell me why no one is doing anything about it?
I swear the more I see happening in this world the more I am starting to feel like I'm living the plot of V for Vendetta....
I can't look up Facebook here at work, but... Do you know what G.I stands for. Government Issue. When you are in the military, you have signed a contract and are expected to adhere to a stringent military standard. The expectation is even greater as a Marine. The motto "Semper Fidelis" means "Always Faithful".
There has been no draft for 40 years, so he apparently joined of his own free will. He needs to live up to the standards of the Marine Corps or get out.
When will people learn not to post every dumbass thought that passes through their mind on FB? It's not like this is the first time it has bitten someone in the a ss.
He is a FORMER Marine. As is no-longer in the military.
Roaddog, did you not swear to uphold the constitution? So when the the Federal Government stops doing so, does that void your oath to protect the people and the constitution?0 -
While he may be "former"... and I may be getting this wrong, so those that have been or are in the military please correct me if I am as I am going off of memory from my dad('s) and my friends.... but I believe for so long after an honorable discharge, he may be called back. So perhaps he was within that time frame. And there is always the "once a Marine, always a Marine"... My father was a Marine... and in many senses he still is.0
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I don't know that he's a terrorist, but he clearly is mentally unstable.
There is probably some truth in what he says, but the Bushes raping and sacrificing children in Colorado? Even if you hate the Bushes, that's a little far-fetched.0
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