I currently eat around 100-120 g of carbs a day, fiber usually ranges from the 25-40 range, netting me under 100.

That is lower than the SAD of 300+ carbs but I wouldn't call it Low Carb. Lower Carb, yes.

I've noticed the lower carb I go, the more the fat creeps up, and I've noticed this past week my carbs have been closer to the 50's and 60's so I have gone over my fat amount.

Well the calories have to come from somewhere don't they. If you cut back on carb calories you have to make it up with Fat or with Protein. You only need so much protein so why not get those calories from fat?

I did LC for years, but i did it atkins style (the bad way)

Oh! well, say no more then.

Low Carb and an aversion to fat is difficult. I only know one person here doing LCLF.
Why are you fat-phobic?
Have you considered Avocado? High in fat and fiber and low in carb. You can add avocado slices to a green leaf salad and have something I consider very healthy and a lot more satisfying than the standard rabbit chow.
What about Salmon? Omega 3 fats and protein all in one.
Check out all the recipe for Chia Patties. Once again, high in Omega 3 and fiber.

I am just nervous about the fat because of where it is coming from. I never know what to believe about sat fat, some say it is good others bad, so not so sure?

again - so long as the fat source is coming from natural sources of food, you are fine

I try my best to get my fats from healthy fats, but lately all the recipes I have been finding add a ton of dairy, which I am not too sure is so good! I try and eat very nutrient dense foods, and I am just having a hard time because most low carb don't add much veg, and that is why I would say Im not LOW carb because I don't really cut out veggies, it's more the grains and fruit.

Unfortunately you are mistaken. Low carb intakes DO have alot of vegetables. You have to be extra diligent in the choices of vegetables to get a good balance.

A typical 2oz portion of spaghetti is roughly 38g-42g of total carbohydrates.
A typical 2oz portion of fresh zucchini spiral-cut into noodles is 2g of total carbohydrates.

If you were to pile on the zucchini "noodles", say... a 12 oz portion, it is 11.9 total carbohydrates (3.4g fiber). I cant eat 12 oz worth... it just aint happening... so for nights like tonight where Im making a homemade bolognese over fettucini for my husband, and zucchini noodles for me.... I will use 6oz of zucchini, and then calculate for onions, peppers, mushrooms and the homemade sauce. On average I prepare 2oz of each onions and peppers, but 4oz of mushrooms. My vegetables alone (not including the sauce), will be (3.7/1.1, 5.7/0.8, 2.6/1.0) a total of 23.9g total carbs. If I take out the fiber for the zucchini, mushrooms, onions and peppers, its a NET total of 17.6g of actual CHO's consumed. My marinara base sauce will kick that up another 6.7g of carbs (2g fiber) - so, 22.3g total That is a honkin' huge plate of vegetables, and at 22.3g of NET carbohydrates, you cant beat that!

Good planning is the key.

The true definition (and even for the majority of physicians and specialists out there) low carb intakes mean:
1.) No processed food, takeout food, canned, frozen heat-n-serve foods, boxed food, just-add this type foods, etc
2.) No potatoes (but sweet potato is a use-as-sparingly food)
3.) No rice - even the variety that is long grain, it still has a very high glycemic approach. Brown rice is limited as well
4.) No corn - this is a grain
5.) No pasta - our Endocrinology department will even advise the patient 'no whole grain pasta, no whole wheat pasta' as well because its still considered a processed food.
6.) No flour - today's standards have flour that is highly processed. Not just the bleached/bromated varieties, all of it, is processed. If you dont purchase grains in their natural form, its processed food.

Paleo and Primal are very much alike however Primal allows for some dairy, but sparingly, etc.

Through the Dermatology department, they recommend their patients to avoid dairy, predominantly milk. The naturally occuring pregnancy hormones found in the milk can great stall weight loss, cause moderate to severe acne and can really wreck female patients' hormone levels as well. Ice cream is a processed food (sorry, all of it, even the splenda varieties)...

Some people are ok with dairy, then there are cases that we have, dairy has caused great medical problems (Derma, GI, Endo, Rheum, etc) thus treatments tend to revolve around a significant reduction, if not an outright elimination in severe cases.

I'll second the above on the veggie front. Since going low/lower carb I've been consuming around a lb of veg each day.

I second cramernh's definition of true low carb/Paleo/Primal.

If you are eating this way then your body will adapt to burning fat as an energy source (both dietary fat and any that you happen to have kicking around the body). I like the feeling of being fuelled by my own body and not external carbohydrate.

Once in this zone then any fat from a natural source is great. Saturated fat? I don't worry about it. Really, it's been unfairly demonized, I just eat real food and let the macros deal with themselves.

I am at least 65% fat by calories (usually more) and have been for some time, energy is great, fat loss is great.

BUT I eat a maximum of 50g carbohydrate a day (and that isn't net, it's total) and I have adapted to being an efficient fat-burner. Not evidenced by ketostix or anything, just the fact I can get through the day with no cravings/hunger or energy dips.

I did a 9km coastal walk with the kid on coffee and cream yesterday, lovely, no energy issues at all and every step was liberating some body fat.

No 'Am I burning any?' questions you get with a more 'balanced diet', I HAD to burn body fat.

It all depends on you and your metabolism but the danger of doing 100 to 120g of carbs a day is that you are still fuelling the body externally with a fair amount of what will eventually end up as glucose.

A slice of bread, a bowl of pasta, a bowl of sugar ... it will all metabolise down to glucose, the body doesn't care if it was 'healthy whole grain' or not

Add significant amounts of dietary fat to that it ain't going to work.

Bottom line, if you can burn fat as a primary fuel, eat natural amounts in abundance (including lovely lovely saturated fat).

All IMO obviously but I've been in the "I want to be low carb but I don't like the idea of fat' zone and it's less than great energy, fat loss and gut-health-wise (too much protein isn't good).

@wfte ...

Sure, you don't need to be in ketosis to burn fat but why give the body any more carbohydrate than it needs?

If you can fat-adapt and decouple you body from a dependence on carbs for energy (and cravings, hunger, etc) then this has to be the way to go. IMO.

But it does take ditching the bread/pasta/sugar/processed stuff/grains ... Which can be a significant leap for some.

if you're on a calorie restricted diet, then I see no harm in eating 100-150 carbs and eating the rest as fat (although some protein helps). From what I read when you eat saturated fat and you are living off of glucose (carbs) - it does harm. But when you're running in keto (off of fat), it no longer matters as you end up burning it. I'm always on the border of being in keto or not now ... and I am honestly freaked to go back to living off of glucose. I've read too much... Especially about heart health.

If you're wanting to ever make the change and want help in lowering your carbs, you can always ask us, too. Just as an aside, I heat a plethora of veggies everyday and I am never over 50 g net. Now fruit - I dislike it anyway, so I don't partake in fruit. But it's pointless because, for instance, a pepper has more vitamin C than an orange. And green tea has many antioxidants. So to me, I think eating fruit is something you should do to splurge. I just ranted about nothing in general there, haha! Sorry!

Anyway, in regards to your question - you can always try it and see! monitor your weight and how you feel physically and emotionally and see if adding the fat is good for your body.

if you're on a calorie restricted diet, then I see no harm in eating 100-150 carbs and eating the rest as fat (although some protein helps). From what I read when you eat saturated fat and you are living off of glucose (carbs) - it does harm. But when you're running in keto (off of fat), it no longer matters as you end up burning it. I'm always on the border of being in keto or not now ... and I am honestly freaked to go back to living off of glucose. I've read too much... Especially about heart health.

The type of carbohydrate DOES matter.

You pair the healthy fats with vegetables (the healthy carbohydrates), you do not develop the traditional heart disease issues.

You pair the healthy fats with anything grain/bread/potato related, you will have the problems associated with atherosclerosis (fatty deposits in the arterial walls), etc

Im about to leave for work here in a minute... I plan on posting a PSA-type thread that I need everyone in our group to be aware of - and its actually a request from the Endocrinologists of the health system I work for (and... even more so, my own Endocrinologist)

My diary is open ( I believe) if you want to take a look. Usually when my carbs are at the higher end it's because I've had something that if i was being extra strict I wouldn't be having.

Todays TOTAL carbs was 48g. 16 of them was treating myself to an icecream mars.
This included:-
A big pile of salad leaves/baby spinach
A large chunk of cucumber
1/4 onion
1/4 red pepper
100g purple sprouting broccoli
100g asparagus
100g courgette/zucchini

Tomorrows menu already planned and has TOTAL carbs @ 50g. 21 of these are from a greek yoghurt and 1/2 pint of milk.

I've given up with NET carbs. I found out that UK labels list the fibre entirely seperate from carbs. On some labels this is obvious because the fibre number is higher than the carb number, not so obvious on other things.
But then some foods that I'll add from on here will have fibre included in the carb total. So unless I go through each of my foods and figure which has had fibre accounted for and which hasn't I decided I'm best just taking my Total carbs as my NET carbs.