Autoimmune Paleo Diet vs. Food Sensitivity/Allergy Testing

After my Whole30 is done in a couple more weeks, I'm going to return to dairy to see how I feel. I honestly don't miss it as much as I thought I would.

But after that, I have decided to try out the Autoimmune Paleo Diet. It's even stricter with foods which cause is strict Paleo and also excludes coffee, ghee, all nightshades, eggs, nuts, bacon (but doesn't exclude pork belly), and mushrooms. Has anybody else who has a thyroid or other autoimmune disease tried such an exclusive diet and if so, what were your results? Once the 30 days are over, I can reintroduce these foods to see if they're a problem for me. I understand a much easier route would be to just have the labs done for food sensitivities/allergies. But will food sensitivity/allergy testing check for all these possibly harmful foods?

What are your thoughts? Advice? Experience?

Side note: I recently switched to Armour after being on Synthroid for many years, and have noticed that I have joint pain in my fingers in the morning. Other supplements include Vitamin D, Vitamin A and Zinc. I don't take these with my thyroid meds.

More information about Autoimmune Paleo Diet variation: http://paleozonenutrition.com/2011/11/02/the-paleo-diet-variation-to-treat-auto-immune-disease/

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  • I've done a complete elimination diet and that was a much better test for me-- nightshades and I get along fine, dairy digests well but bugs my skin, etc. My husband went the lab route (which was easier) and was happy, but they didn't test for quite as much and some things, we've just had to learn over time because you can't really test digestion (fruit skin = BAD and arugula is a hospital trip).

    Our household focus is mostly on digestion because of his gastroparesis. Our Hashimoto's (we both have it) really only comes into play with regard to grains (doctor advised me to give them up, so that's how I came to the Paleo diet). I doubt Hashimoto's is going to cause any further lasting harm, and I'm well medicated for it, so I've decided that it's not worth further research at this point in my life. Maybe if symptoms get worse, but for the moment, they're okay.

    I take levothyroxine-- Synthroid doesn't work as well for me. I don't have any joint pain though and never had, so I can't help you there.
  • AKbluedragonfly
    AKbluedragonfly Posts: 79 Member
    I have Ulcerative Colitis and have always wondered about its connection with what I ate. I convinced a doctor to do a food sensitivity test on me. (He didn't want to because he thought my symptoms were just symptoms of the colitis, not a sensitivity) The only thing that came back positive on the test was a very minor allergy to mustard. This was disappointing to me because I hate mustard and would never intentionally eat it anyway.

    Last fall I did the super strict 30 day paleo elimination diet. I cut out all dairy, nightshades, onions, nuts, eggs, etc. I can't believe I lasted 30 days, but somehow I did. I did not properly introduce things though, so I didn't feel confident that anything had an effect. Very much a waste of time if you don't reintroduce the foods one by one slowly. So really your 30 day elimination should be considered 30 days free + 30 days trial and error.

    Since then, I've got back to eating normal primal. I have however been able to notice a connection between coconut flakes and my colitis acting up. Coconut milk is fine for me though. And just a week or so ago, I had eggplant for the first time in months, and got an instant headache that lasted a day or two. Eggplant is now on my forbidden list. I also noticed that every Sunday after eating at our regular breakfast diner, I'd have a stomach ache. I realized the Sunday brunch toast that was my weekly cheat was most likely the cause. Forbidden listed that too.


    I hope that gives you insight and guidance. Good luck!
  • Bets88
    Bets88 Posts: 1
    I'm about 2 months in to doing the 30 day RESET and then reintroduction from Chris Kresser. Reintroducing slowly and watching what you're eating is crucial. I think it's worthwhile because most of the testing is less accurate. I am treating Hashimoto's. AKBluedragon's awareness of forbidden items seems right on. Once you've eliminated everything and see symptom's improve, then carefully adding them back and waiting for a reaction is the only way to know.
    Today, I'm wondering how to tell if the hot sauce I just ate is a normal reaction (watery eyes, burning mouth, congested lungs, burning in stomach, etc....) or might indicate that this is irritating my gut in a way that is NOT helpful. Whether an intolerance or not. Any ideas? Google has not been helpful here - nor Bing.
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    Today, I'm wondering how to tell if the hot sauce I just ate is a normal reaction (watery eyes, burning mouth, congested lungs, burning in stomach, etc....) or might indicate that this is irritating my gut in a way that is NOT helpful. Whether an intolerance or not. Any ideas? Google has not been helpful here - nor Bing.

    Think about it: if you were tasting something OTHER than a chile, how would you interpret your body's response?

    We teach/force ourselves to like/endure so many marginal foods. Things that are bitter like coffee; or cause gastric distress like chiles; or burn like alcohol.
  • Cerebrus189
    Cerebrus189 Posts: 315 Member
    Chris Kesser's Autoimmune Protocol is what tipped me off in the first place that I might need to eliminate even more to get rid of the joint pain. I also have Hashi's and am now 9 days into my Paleo AI Protocol with no joint pain to speak of, which is my only symptom still lingering now that I've switched to Armour and am actively taking supplements (Vitamin D, Selenium, Zinc, EPO). I can no longer do dairy because it makes my skin break out and I'm vain enough to not want that. The one food group I'm really worried about are nightshades because I love everything in that group.

    I'm not sure about the hot sauce but I think the only way to really tell for sure is to wait and then eat a bell pepper or something in the same group. But my gut instinct is that if it makes you that uncomfortable, do not eat it. We've had to reel in my son's consumption of anything spicy, without a doctor's test, because he's very sensitive to dairy, citrus fruits and all spices. He's 9 and he loves this type of food but it makes his (ahem)..."*kitten* itch" and sometimes it makes his stomach hurt. It's not worth eating if it makes your body rebel.
  • mehaugen
    mehaugen Posts: 210 Member
    I think only the Whole 30 frowns on bacon...not the Paleo Autoimmune. I eat it almost every day, or else I might not endure this! But it doesn't have junk in it.
  • renkatrun
    renkatrun Posts: 111 Member
    I think only the Whole 30 frowns on bacon...not the Paleo Autoimmune. I eat it almost every day, or else I might not endure this! But it doesn't have junk in it.

    Where do you find bacon without added sugar and nitrates as part of the curing process?
  • mensasu
    mensasu Posts: 355 Member
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/tests-for-food-allergies-sensitivities-a-waste-of-money-doctor-says/article535082/
    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/10/21/is-food-sensitivity-a-scam

    The articles above are just food for thought. I have had formal testing at an allergiest and he found some sensitivities using the traditional tests, but I know I have others. I have never tried the labs. As I understand the lab tests they are not very conclusive if you have not eaten the foods being tested in the last week or so, so if you try this after an elimination diet you won't get what you expect.

    I found an elimination and low introduction diet with a comprehensive food diary where I also logged all headaches, body aches, sniffling, itching, tinnitus, geographic tongue, mouth blisters, runny eyes, etc helped the most. You must be eating clean while you do this as additives are often the sensitivity and you must try to introduce them one at a time. Remember that the sensitivity can take up to 3 days to show up with symptoms, and sometimes only when you have ingested beyond your tolerance point.
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    I think only the Whole 30 frowns on bacon...not the Paleo Autoimmune. I eat it almost every day, or else I might not endure this! But it doesn't have junk in it.

    Where do you find bacon without added sugar and nitrates as part of the curing process?
    Buy it fresh. You can usually get either pork belly or 'side pork' from your butcher, and they'll slice it for you. Salt it yourself when you cook it - it tastes better than bacon in my opinion. What do nitrates taste like, anyway?
  • renkatrun
    renkatrun Posts: 111 Member


    Where do you find bacon without added sugar and nitrates as part of the curing process?
    Buy it fresh. You can usually get either pork belly or 'side pork' from your butcher, and they'll slice it for you. Salt it yourself when you cook it - it tastes better than bacon in my opinion. What do nitrates taste like, anyway?
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    Thanks!
  • Jindra12
    Jindra12 Posts: 256 Member
    I think only the Whole 30 frowns on bacon...not the Paleo Autoimmune. I eat it almost every day, or else I might not endure this! But it doesn't have junk in it.

    Where do you find bacon without added sugar and nitrates as part of the curing process?

    It is almost impossible to do that. You'll need to get a fresh bacons and do the curing by yourself. You'll more likely to have put on a wait list for the pig to be butched for you. It is usually a year ahead of the schedule.

    I learned that the salt do cause a nitrate effect and it is almost impossible to aviod it since all curing involves salt in the curing process. I learned that from somewhere on Wolf's website. Anyway, you'll need to find a bacon with least amount of sugar in it. I found one in my local and I am happy with it.

    You could find bacon without nitrate and sugar and I won't believe it, unless you do the research on the seller who sells the product. It is more likely it's just a marketing scam to take your big $$ in for nothing. The most expensive bacon doesn't means it is the best. I found my bacon to be very reasonable and it's the best in my local. Be a smart shopper that is the key.
  • twinmom01
    twinmom01 Posts: 854 Member
    I haven't cut all those - but I did do a Strict Paleo with a bunch of people and one of the women cut out most of what you described to see if it would help the issues she was having...

    I think allergy testing can only go so far - especially depending on which way they do it - and could result in negative results (I say this because my daughter had extensive blood work done for lactose and casien allegies and the tests came back normal - I had to press for the Hydrogen breath test - even after being told the chances of testing postive after all the blood work was extremely slim...but considering they wanted to send a endoscope down her I insisted on the breath test first since that would be definiative and BAM... )

    Also once you clear things out of your system you may find certain things really do affect you. I did a whole system cleanse a while back (prior to doing full on Paleo) and learned my body had some bad reactions to certain foods - weird things like white mushrooms...if I eat white mushrooms I get very sick to my stomach - other mushrooms are just fine...
  • daniellealys
    daniellealys Posts: 301 Member
    I highly recommend taking a IgG blood test to test for delayed allergies. I found out through this test that I have allergies to all Eggs, all Dairy (except Goat), Wheat, Gluten, Cabbage, Bananas, Soy, and Pineapple! I think you could really benefit from taking this test! It costs about $400 and is usually not covered by insurance but for me, worth every penny!!!