Selfish?

christine24t
christine24t Posts: 6,063 Member
Reading Glamour magazine...there's an article about being married. One married writes "I'm beginning to realize that single people are more selfish." A man wrote that by the way.

Thoughts?

I think that the writer means that single people have more time to themselves, and for some reason he equates that as being selfish. I do a lot of things for myself, but that doesn't mean that would continue if I was in a relationship.
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  • kristen6022
    kristen6022 Posts: 1,923 Member
    I know I'm selfish, but I also know that really isn't a bad thing if it makes you happy and doesn't impact others. Which is pretty much why I don't want kids. Because I don't think it would be fair...
  • La_Amazona
    La_Amazona Posts: 4,855 Member
    My life is about me, me, me! It's my time, I'm single, no children and my priority is ME! I do help others, and love friends and family but I love my life right now. I'm sure one day (or think so anyway), I'll have a husband, maybe children that I'll make a priority but not now!
    I don't believe it makes me selfish. It's just my life's circumstances at the time.
  • SherryR1971
    SherryR1971 Posts: 1,170 Member
    I don't understand that AT all...even single, I spend more time worry about/doing for other people than I do for myself...
  • shammxo
    shammxo Posts: 1,432 Member
    My life is about me, me, me! It's my time, I'm single, no children and my priority is ME! I do help others, and love friends and family but I love my life right now. I'm sure one day (or think so anyway), I'll have a husband, maybe children that I'll make a priority but not now!
    I don't believe it makes me selfish. It's just my life's circumstances at the time.


    You took the words out of the mouth.

    I think it's all about who/what you have in your life.
  • julesboots
    julesboots Posts: 311 Member
    I'd say my married life was MUCH more selfish than my single life. I had another person completely centered on my needs. Even though it was reciprocal- it felt pretty selfish.

    Single life is all about my kid, dog, and very needy kids at work, so it's possibly just my circumstances.
  • lacroyx
    lacroyx Posts: 5,754 Member
    Single parents, no. Single people with no kids, yeah, in some ways.
  • hiker359
    hiker359 Posts: 577 Member
    I think that goes without saying. Who else does a single person with no kids really have to think about besides themselves? Sure you think about your parents and your siblings and give them a call every now and then (some more than others). But otherwise, I think it just goes without saying.

    Self: I need groceries.
    Self: Alright, go get some!
    Self: I don't want to.
    Self: What are you going to eat then?
    Self: We could go to McDonald's.
    Self: Nah, not enough calories left today.
    Sell: You do realize that's going to be true for pretty much any restaurant, right?
    Self: Yeah, okay fine, let's go get some groceries!

    I guess the implication is that somehow being selfish on this level is bad, which it really isn't. It's just the way it is.
  • kls13la
    kls13la Posts: 380 Member
    The "you're selfish" comments seem to typically be thrown around by (1) married people and/or (2) people with kids at (1) single people and/or (2) people without kids. It's like the former groups simply cannot stand to see that the latter groups have made different life decisions to that point and want to guilt them into either getting married or having kids. (Oddly enough, the people who have directed these comments at me in the past have generally been people who were not happily married. I'm going "If it makes me selfish to avoid what you are stuck in, then I'm happy to be selfish.")

    It's bizarre, because I don't see how simply the act of getting married makes you any less selfish than a single person. I know plenty of married people who are selfish. But then again, I also don't understand how the act of popping out a kid makes you any better than anyone else either, yet a lot of people like to rally around the "but I'm a mother/grandmother" flag as though they've attained some goal that no one else could ever attain.

    Certainly societal pressure plays a part -- to get married, have children, etc., and if you never do that or delay it beyond what is "normal," many people will look at you differently. But I don't think for most people being selfish has anything to do with it.
  • TheKitsune6
    TheKitsune6 Posts: 5,798 Member
    Everyone is selfish, some people just find happiness in ways different than others. When I give to the Humane Society I'm doing it because it makes ME feel good to know I'm helping a cause I believe in. When I have an SO, I do him favors because if makes ME happy to do that and it gives him incentive to stay in my life which makes me benefit. On that note, if his selfishness doesn't vibe with mine (he never does anything for me in return) then the reasons for wanting him in my life fade and I'd break up with him. If he wanted me in his life, he'd be selfish and try to keep me around.

    We're all selfish. And that's a good thing. When you do stuff that makes you happy a lot of times it makes other people happy too. It's the people that don't do selfish correctly that end up alone. On the other hand, people that do nothing but give to the detriment of themselves end up miserable, emotionally drained and unhappy. Altruism is a lie. Be selfish.
  • coachblt
    coachblt Posts: 1,090
    Single people are selfish, without a doubt...and I'm one of them. However, they are only selfish in certain areas of their lives. So are married people with other areas of theirs. It doesn't mean that single people are more/less selfish than others. That's just a bunch of horse hockey to make that guy feel better, which was selfish...HAHAHAHAHA
  • pa_jorg
    pa_jorg Posts: 4,404 Member
    What exactly makes a single person more selfish than a married one? Yes, I have more time for myself, but that's circumstantial. And how does anyone know if it's a choice or just the way life worked out for me unless I tell them explicitly? So, calling someone selfish due to their (non) marital status is BS.
  • MissingMinnesota
    MissingMinnesota Posts: 7,486 Member
    Why does selfish have to equal bad?
  • farmers_daughter
    farmers_daughter Posts: 1,632 Member
    Why does selfish have to equal bad?

    Exactly..... the word selfish has a horrible rep attached to it.

    My therapist has tried very very very very very hard to get through my thick skull that being selfish is Ok.... if you take time to do something for yourself, or if you tell someone "no" because it's what's best for you at that moment..... It's ok.

    Just the opposite to be completely UNselfish is just the same as selfish, just as horrific, and damaging....I am the poster child for that.

    I cannot say that I can connect to anyone who is single and without kids. I've never done it. I do wish I would have been able to have time like that, but oh well.

    It's not that single people are "selfish" I believe they have a few more opportunities (to do different things, have things be differetn....) than someone who isn't what has been mentioned in other posts...single with kids, married etc...
  • pa_jorg
    pa_jorg Posts: 4,404 Member
    Why does selfish have to equal bad?

    Exactly..... the word selfish has a horrible rep attached to it.

    My therapist has tried very very very very very hard to get through my thick skull that being selfish is Ok.... if you take time to do something for yourself, or if you tell someone "no" because it's what's best for you at that moment..... It's ok.

    The word selfish is what it is and most people assume it is negative. But I also agree with you that doing things for oneself is really beneficial. I just wish we had another word in the English language to express the difference.
  • TheKitsune6
    TheKitsune6 Posts: 5,798 Member
    Why does selfish have to equal bad?

    Exactly..... the word selfish has a horrible rep attached to it.

    My therapist has tried very very very very very hard to get through my thick skull that being selfish is Ok.... if you take time to do something for yourself, or if you tell someone "no" because it's what's best for you at that moment..... It's ok.

    The word selfish is what it is and most people assume it is negative. But I also agree with you that doing things for oneself is really beneficial. I just wish we had another word in the English language to express the difference.

    There's not really a difference though. Whether you are doing it to help people or hurt people you are doing it for yourself - therefore selfish.

    As far as intent there's a difference. If you help people you are good, kind, nice. If you hurt people you're a tool jerk meanface doodyhead.

    Then again, a lot of the definition depends on perspective. If you don't let someone borrow money because you know they're just going to go buy drugs - they'd think you are a meanface doodyhead, even though you are being responsible and good.

    Many folks see rich people as selfish because they don't give "enough" to charities - as though they can dictate how other spend their money because there is a clear line of who is good and who is bad and how much it costs to get there.

    It's all subjective, unfortunately, which is what caused the word to get such a bad rap anyway.
  • kerrymh
    kerrymh Posts: 912 Member
    Of course I'm selfish..heck I'm single who else is going to look after my own needs and wants and desires at this age? My parents?
    If I was part of a couple I would enjoy being less selfish but for now no one else is going to take care of myself but me so sue me!
    That doesn't mean I'm a bad person, that doesn't mean I don't do for others and I'm not generous with my friends and family. It just means that for now I look out for my own needs and happiness..and really that will most likely continue in a relationship because I don't think a partner is supposed to make me happy..happier?..yup hopefully!.
  • Prahasaurus
    Prahasaurus Posts: 1,381 Member
    All selfish people are losers and should just do society a favor and kill themselves. I read it in Philosophy Today. Or was it Glamour magazine?

    Good riddance, I say.

    Divorced people otoh, salt of the earth.

    --P
  • Single parents, no. Single people with no kids, yeah, in some ways.

    I can't speak for single people with no kids; haven't been one of those since I was 20, and even, then, I wasn't selfish. I can, however, speak as one single parent, and my kids were just saying last night, "Mama, you never do anything for yourself..." My life is centered around helping others, but that's also part of my personality. I'm a giver, a helper. That's part of why I'm such a great teacher. That's inherently who I am. My first husband described me as the most selfless person he knew. Granted, that's not always a good thing. He happened to be VERY selfish, so the two of us together was excellent for him and detrimental to me because no one put my needs first. Also, people with my type of personality have a tendency to be codependent which is not very healthy either. Sometimes, I wish I was more selfish, but I'm learning to be.
  • Prahasaurus
    Prahasaurus Posts: 1,381 Member
    The word selfish is what it is and most people assume it is negative. But I also agree with you that doing things for oneself is really beneficial. I just wish we had another word in the English language to express the difference.

    The word is fine, it has a negative connotation, and rightfully so. It's her therapist that needs to get a dictionary.

    --P
  • Prahasaurus
    Prahasaurus Posts: 1,381 Member
    Although I will admit that America is very much a hustling society, and there are fewer and fewer checks on the rich and powerful. Certainly not government. Certainly not the law. Religion used to be one, but even the churches jumped on the social Darwinism bandwagon. Now they preach greed is good! Rich people deserve all they have, poor people are lazy losers! Being selfish is very American, perhaps even more Godly now, too.

    And so I suppose it should come as no surprise that we want to redefine selfish to be a good thing. No doubt Oprah is preparing a show on it right now.

    --P
  • Carl01
    Carl01 Posts: 9,307 Member
    What exactly makes a single person more selfish than a married one? Yes, I have more time for myself, but that's circumstantial. And how does anyone know if it's a choice or just the way life worked out for me unless I tell them explicitly? So, calling someone selfish due to their (non) marital status is BS.

    This sums it all up
    My single status is largely in part the result of being anything but selfish.

    Just a stupid comment.
  • Many of you wonder why the connotation of "selfish" is negative. The denotation of the word "selfish" states "without regard for others" or "regardless of others":

    from dictionary.com:
    self·ish   /ˈsɛlfɪʃ/ Show Spelled[sel-fish] Show IPA
    adjective
    1. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.
    2. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives.

    From the Merriam Webster online dictionary:
    self·ish adjective \ˈsel-fish\
    Definition of SELFISH
    1: concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
    2: arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of others <a selfish act>
    3: being an actively replicating repetitive sequence of nucleic acid that serves no known function <selfish DNA>; also : being genetic material solely concerned with its own replication <selfish genes>

    I think it was Kitsune who stated that we are all selfish, even when we do something unselfish. I agree with the sentiment of that statement. It does make me feel good to help others, but I am not selfish because I do have regard for others. I do think about their needs.

    For example:

    Suppose I was in a relationship. My guy's birthday is coming up. I want to throw him a party and invite all of his friends and family over. I want to cook a huge meal and make his favorite dessert (whether it be cake or banana pudding). I want to do all this stuff for him. BUT he is an introvert. He didn't grow up celebrating birthday parties the way I did. He would rather us have a nice quiet evening at home by ourselves. IF I throw him the party all in the name of 'doing it for him", I am being selfish because I have no regard for his feelings or his desires.

    What about the man who is a workaholic? He works hard FOR HIS FAMILY. He works long hours. He sometimes works weekends. ALL IN THE NAME OF "I'M DOING IT FOR THE FAMILY, to provide this big house and the fancy car and shopping sprees...." What if his wife and children would be happier, though, if he were to spend more time with them? What if they would be willing to give up the shopping sprees and drive a regular car and live in a smaller house if it meant that he could be home with them more? Is he really working for the family or is he being selfish?

    I do agree that doing things for oneself is a good idea, and although I, personally, struggle with the concept that it really isn't selfish to take care of myself, I do not think that someone who looks after his/her own needs is necessarily a selfish person. Moreover, a person who takes care of himself/herself is probably a healthier individual than someone who does not. (ETA: Taking care of my needs will help me to better take care of my children and my students and others. That's why I said that I'm not selfish in doing so.... I still have regard for others, but I also agree that sometimes, for a person's own sanity and health, being selfish can be a good thing. I probably should have been more selfish in my first marriage, to be honest.)

    Yes... I'm a word nerd. (is there no nerd smiley??)
  • arewethereyet
    arewethereyet Posts: 18,702 Member
    Let's see. I think we should all be selfish in a way.

    My ex would disagree, but my first thought was always for him. For a year after I left my counselor would say "Oh but how will this effect YOU?" I worried about him for the entire time we were together.

    If I had been more selfish, and said and did what I needed for me, then he would have MAYBE done the same. IDK

    I am now single. My thoughts at the grocery store are "What do I need?" When I went shopping while married I swear to you I would get home with diet pepsi, swiss cheese, mozz sticks, and all the things he liked to eat. It was like I disappeared.

    Was he this way? Maybe in his own mind he was. He went to work each day and stayed in an unhappy marriage.

    I have friends who have never been married or had children, and I have to watch my thoughts when they are selfish. How can I expect them to think "What would Jeannie like to do" they have never had to put others in front of themselves. Children do that do you..........huh, they force it upon you! I was NOT a happy camper when that baby was crying at 4 am! I was forced to take care of his needs, then the needs of 2 others. BEFORE you flame me, I LOVED every moment of mothering. I am just trying to make a point.

    I am learning to be selfish out of neccessity. I am guessing though that when I do start really dating, my answer to the "Where would you like to go?" question will be "Where would YOU like to go?" :laugh:
  • DMZ_1
    DMZ_1 Posts: 2,889 Member
    When you are an unmarried person without kids and not in a romantic relationships, there is more of a self focus. But I wouldn't call it selfish in the negative connotation sort of way automatically.

    Unmarried people not in relationship and without kids usually have friends. Regular friendships have a give and take component. There's a need to consider the needs of your friends in day to day interactions, even in things as simple as getting together to do whatever it is you both enjoy.
  • AnnaPixie
    AnnaPixie Posts: 7,439 Member
    The most selfish person I know is my Father. And he was married for 45 years!

    So, no, a selfish person can be of any marital status.
  • Such a ridiculous statement. Selfish people are selfish. It has absolutely nothing to do with one's marital status.

    Btw, why are we trying to change the definitions of words? There is a reason the word "selfish" has a bad connotation, after all. Nobody respects a person who is entirely self-focused and cares nothing about the plight of others.

    Taking care of myself and meeting my needs does not make me selfish. If I spent my entire life thinking about how to make myself happy and to hell with everyone else, then that would make me selfish. Fortunately, that is not how I roll. I believe that relationships with others (by this I mean all relationships: friends, family, community, colleagues, etc.) are among the most important things to have in this world and should be held precious. In order to have successful relationships, one must think beyond herself (or himself), and do for others. Sometimes it will come back to bite you, but it's a risk that has to be taken. I am single, but that just means that I don't have anyone else with whom I can make important decisions. Being decisive on my own =/= selfish.
  • TheKitsune6
    TheKitsune6 Posts: 5,798 Member
    Btw, why are we trying to change the definitions of words? There is a reason the word "selfish" has a bad connotation, after all. Nobody respects a person who is entirely self-focused and cares nothing about the plight of others.

    Word meanings and interpretations within society and culture change constantly. Ten years ago our slang was completely different, five hundred years ago the language is barely recognizable to what we use now as a means of communication. People can barely read Shakespeare without needing a cliff notes breakdown to translate for them. There's nothing wrong with that - that language is dead. It's just truth. Communication evolves with the species.

    SouthernSweetie - that's kind of the point. You need to find someones who's selfishness vibes with yours. If you tell your husband you'd rather he come home at five everyday to eat dinner with the family instead of that shopping spree he's working for, and he still doesn't do it? Then your happiness doesn't matter to him, HE just wants to be at work and he is LYING about his intentions. If you throw a surprise party for someone that would have a panic attack and hate the entire evening, then you aren't doing it for that person. You're doing it for yourself. That's selfish, yes... unless your intention is to keep that other person around. If it makes you happy to have your boyfriend around then you wouldn't WANT to do something that would clearly make him miserable. That's selfishness as well - you are passing up what you would conventionally desire to make someone else happy because it makes you happy. That's how partnerships work. If all you do is give and give and give and there's no reciprocation then you've got a problem because you aren't doing what's right for YOU.

    It is about finding happiness, and you can find a partner to share those things with. But if you don't consider your happiness along with the person you want to be with then you're signing up for misery. I would never advocate that to anyone.
  • JanieJack
    JanieJack Posts: 3,831 Member
    interesting thread... there's one "dating guru" out there who says we ladies are more likely to catch a man when we are selfish. She says that part of why the man leaves us, or stays but stops loving us the way we want is because we stop being selfish (focusing on yourself, our happiness, our looks, our desires) and start focusing on his.

    I don't agree (I kinda think both partners should care about each other) but I think it's interesting.
  • meshashesha2012
    meshashesha2012 Posts: 8,329 Member
    Why does selfish have to equal bad?

    exactly. not everyone's goal is to be a living saint or mother theresa.

    the only married and or childed people i've ever heard refer to singles as selfish are usually just haters that they no longer have time to do the things they want to do..

    of course their assumption is that singles' lives are just 1 big jet setting pool party filled with sexy cabana boys named raoul and sven :laugh:
  • TheKitsune6
    TheKitsune6 Posts: 5,798 Member
    of course their assumption is that singles' lives are just 1 big jet setting pool party filled with sexy cabana boys named raoul and sven :laugh:

    What, you mean you don't? quote]