Juice Fasts.
TeachTheGirl
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Help me out here guys. This 'Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead' thing has been on my Facebook feed from friends for a while now and a good friend of mine is going to try a juice fast. I want to be supportive, but I just don't know enough about this documentary or juice fasting to give her any decent advice.
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1) I read this post from my phone on a small screen and I thought the thread title was "juicy farts".
2) As much as I think juice fasting is unnecessary, I really don't think you will change their minds.
I watched the documentary and the emotional hook was strong. There was some information I didn't agree with, and I think for the most part, people view juicing as a quick fix. It doesn't teach anyone how to eat, unfortunately.
I do wish you luck. I don't think I have a helpful answer though.0 -
The principle behind the juice fast I personally thought was a good idea, but the fact that the juicing became these people's entire diets I find unnecessary, unsustainable, and on the edge of being dangerous. Though adding in some veggie juice here&there to your current diet to bump up nutrient intake doesn't sound like a bad idea0
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There's no harm in drinking juice like that, especially if it's mostly veggies like in the video.
As for switching to an all juice diet.... I'd recommend some more in-depth research other than the video. I've seen it twice myself and did find I felt better ADDING juice (yay nutrients) but I decided to do an all-juice diet with a friend of mine for a week because she wanted to try it... I went through a lot of toilet paper and was hungry constantly. No fun.0 -
I also don't take issue with someone supplementing their diet with juice, but that seldom is the case when juicing is brought up.
I also think satiety would generally increase by eating the fruits and veggies vs drinking them, and satiety is hugely important when dieting.0 -
I suggested she just eat the fruits and vegetables in their normal form (or sauteed, steamed, what-have-you) and she responded saying she'd get a better 'cleanse' without the 'bits and chunks' needed to be digested.
I actually considered the juice fast myself at one point and joined the group for 'Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead' here on MFP, but it's mainly positive posts, so I'm going to assume positive experiences with the fasting.0 -
Your friend is misguided. Please see Sara's post on cleanses for more info. Drinking juices does not cleanse any toxins.0
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I suggested she just eat the fruits and vegetables in their normal form (or sauteed, steamed, what-have-you) and she responded saying she'd get a better 'cleanse' without the 'bits and chunks' needed to be digested.
I actually considered the juice fast myself at one point and joined the group for 'Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead' here on MFP, but it's mainly positive posts, so I'm going to assume positive experiences with the fasting.
If you want too, go for it. IMO it is not healthy as an entire diet, but can be beneficial as an addition to a diet (ie, I personally am not a fan of veggie, but do like veggie juice) to add nutrients.
If you went to the group you will most likely only hear positives because those who didn't like it didn't join the group. To each their own, though. Good Luck! :flowerforyou:0 -
I suggested she just eat the fruits and vegetables in their normal form (or sauteed, steamed, what-have-you) and she responded saying she'd get a better 'cleanse' without the 'bits and chunks' needed to be digested.
I actually considered the juice fast myself at one point and joined the group for 'Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead' here on MFP, but it's mainly positive posts, so I'm going to assume positive experiences with the fasting.If you want too, go for it.
I wouldn't.0 -
Chiming in here.
Juicing itself is fine if you want to get a way to get more veggies in - but why juice? Just make a smoothie - you get the fiber from the fruit.
While juicing for a day may not be a big deal, you are lacking in macro and many micronutrients when you do it which becomes an issue if you do it for any length of time. As this is the case - why do it at all?. There is also the psychological/behavioral issues in that it is not creating a healthy relationship with food, plus, there is the real risk of the someone thinking they are seeing results and continuing for a time where it will become unhealthy and start to impact body composition. When someone juices, they have no food in them, plus it is very low calories so there is likely a lot of water weight. So they get on the scale and think they are getting good results - they are not. All they are seeing is less food weight and water weight on the scale. The issue is, this may lead them to continue on for longer and suffer less immediately visual or tangible negative effects.
In short, there are no pros, and only cons, so I would never suggest or agree that someone does it even for a day. There is just no point.
I would also point out to your friend that there is nothing to 'cleanse'. Taking food in the form of juice does nothing with that regard - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/821828-detoxes-and-cleanses0 -
Help me out here guys. This 'Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead' thing has been on my Facebook feed from friends for a while now and a good friend of mine is going to try a juice fast. I want to be supportive, but I just don't know enough about this documentary or juice fasting to give her any decent advice.
I saw that documentary also, and it seemed to me to be extremely excessive in it's approach as do most documentaries on weight loss. What I mean by that is it seemed to be promoting the "juice all the time or fail" mentality.
That being said, I think the best thing for you to do is just gently encourage her to learn how to handle her food intake in a moderate and sustainable manner. Other than that, you're probably not going to be able to change her mind at all. Most likely, she'll do what most people who do a juice fast do which is go gung ho for a few days or maybe a week, realize the lovely bathroom side effects of said liquid diet, and give it up. When/if that happens, just try to be supportive of her efforts and guide her to make better choices.0 -
I have a friend who does green juicing as a supplement to her diet. She really likes it. We both tried the fast itself and thought we were going to die 3 days in. It just gets nauseating and is unnecessary. But having a juice with your breakfast or whatever is nice. And you do get a good lot of the water soluble minerals and vitamins.0
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We got a juicer after being somewhat suckered in by Sick, Fat and Nearly Dead. But came to our senses about the fasting aspect before even trying it.
My wife now uses it more or less as an ucky green liquid mega-vitamin supplement. She does take a juice to work with her if she thinks she's going to be run off her feet and barely have time to eat. Sipping at 24 ounces of vegetable juice throughout the day may not be the epitome of healthy eating, but it beats the hell out of grabbing a hurried candy bar and soda while running from one end of the hospital to the other.0 -
2) As much as I think juice fasting is unnecessary, I really don't think you will change their minds.
Agree with this. I have several friends who are into cleanses/detoxes/etc and no amount of science or experience will convince them it's not a good idea and not cleansing anything.0 -
I watched the documentary and I liked it, I just didn't buy into the entire thing. What I got out of it was 'Adding some green juice to my diet would probably be a really good idea and juicers are cheap anyway'. So my breakfast every morning starts with juice from a big bunch of Kale, a Gala apple, and a liberal amount of Ginger Root. I feel pretty good after drinking it, and it has a kick that wakes me up better than coffee ever did. Would I try a juice fast? lolno..
Your friend, on the other hand, is probably eating far worse than they would on short juice fast. So just let them do it, encourage them, and when they inevitably crash off of it (I'm sure at least 90% of the people that try it do) then gently scoop them up and help them learn how to eat intelligently.0