Meal timing, low carb, high carb, type of carb, etc. will not significantly impact overall body composition. That simple. This should no longer be an issue of debate.

There is no need for natural trainees to even acknowledge the existence of hormones.

Thus an abundance of carbs will result in fat gain.

the abundance of fat will result in fat gain. the abundance of protein will result in fat gain.

Meal timing, low carb, high carb, type of carb, etc. will not significantly impact overall body composition. That simple. This should no longer be an issue of debate.

There is no need for natural trainees to even acknowledge the existence of hormones.

Read these two statements and realize these are the dumbest things I have seen posted on this website. Neither of these even remotely makes sense, and goes against what every successful, experienced athlete will tell you.

Understanding and manipulating natural hormonal levels through food and supplements is paramount in optimizing one's performative as a natural athlete.


Carbs are either used as fuel or stored as fat to be used as fuel later. Thus an abundance of carbs will result in fat gain. Cutting carbs causes the body to burn fat instead of storing it.

You sir, are an idiot.

I literally lol'd. You're hopeless. This small effort of mine to genuinely help people and spread truth is a lost cause. People seemingly refuse to accept truth despite massive amounts of evidence, empircal and anecdotal, epitomizing cognitive dissonance. Maybe you're just ignorant... I wouldn't consider this an acceptable excuse though.

'truth' in regards to fitness and nutrition walks on a fine line and is relative to the individual. Your way may work for you, i don't know your goals or if your competing in sports or bodybuilding so im going to give a perspective. A person who is running track will not need to worry about their hormones and HGH output as say a bodybuilder would. Even a powerlifter typically would not worry about nutrition as much as a bodybuilder would. Show a bodybuilder all the studies you can, but elite athletes like Phill Heath, Kai Greene, Dennis Wolf etc all pay attention to their hormones. You're probably think 'yeah because they are on steroids'. I compete at a 6ft 1 height class ANB and have spoken to many experienced guys who pay close attention to food types and macros that would effect in manipulating hormones and they are getting results. So I start to implement principles like timing carbs, meat and nuts breakfasts etc to manipulate the hormones and im still growing.

Be careful when you prescribe your theory to others as the only way to go about nutrition. Because it may not be optimal for other people that are not influenced by your environment, stress levels, body type etc.

I'm assuming your referencing the Ian McCarthy and Dave Pulcinella. You seem to have misinterpreted the video or don't understand Ian's bodybuilding philosophy.

"The Special Snowflake Fallacy:

A specific type of fallacious argument in which a bodybuilder argues that scientific research does not apply to them because said research is done on "normal" people, the implication being that bodybuilders are special snowflakes whose basic physiology differs from everyone else's."

^ Taken from Ian McCarthy's No Bull**** Bodybuilding FB page.

I don't get why people like Ian McCarthy, he's basically the Eric Kanevsky of nutrition. He looks like sh** compared to the people he's bashing, but because he read a few books people are all over his nuts.

And the point that Pulcinella made in the video was that the studies done on "normal" people have room for error in a lot of cases. And weight training changes a lot of things in your body. So there is a difference between a few people supposedly eating at certain times, that don't know how to train properly, and a bodybuilder who has his diet/training dialed in.

The bottom line is, low carb dieting works, carb cycling works. Otherwise the top names in the business wouldn't be doing it. I'm gonna listen to people like Keifer, and Shelby Starnes before I listen to some youtube sensation or a guy on a forum...

... Are you just trolling? You do realze that the "top names in the business" usually have no ****ing clue what the're doing regarding nutirition. You are exactly what I hate about people. Despite overwhelming amounts of reason and evidence, you refuse to change yur mind because the bottom line is "low carb dieting works, carb cycling works." An unwillingness to change has always been a trait I do not envy any human to posses... You could just keep believing it's true because it's true because it's true. Afterall, Phil Heath does it so it must be awesome, bro.

theryan244, according to his profile, is a 6'4" bean pole. He's also 21, meaning he hasn't seen or done **** in life besides go to school. Obviously, he can read books, and picks and chooses bro-science above all else.

All of your "research" is based on poor control groups that don't fairly represent the bodybuilding or athletic community as a whole.

The fact you believe hormones play no role in body composition or performance shows you lack ALL knowledge of the endocrine system...

Also, I don't care what you read. Real world results always out weight whatever some "scientist" says. Here is an example.

On paper, according to physics and aeronautical science, the Chinook cannot fly. It is impossible. Yet, the Army flies the hell out of those things in real life.

Perhaps the reason you find it so hard to spread truth is your inability to grasp the concept that you are wrong and those who's theories you subscribe to have little real world merit.

"The Special Snowflake Fallacy:

A specific type of fallacious argument in which a bodybuilder argues that scientific research does not apply to them because said research is done on "normal" people, the implication being that bodybuilders are special snowflakes whose basic physiology differs from everyone else's."

^ Taken from Ian McCarthy's No Bull**** Bodybuilding FB page.

I don't get why people like Ian McCarthy, he's basically the Eric Kanevsky of nutrition. He looks like sh** compared to the people he's bashing, but because he read a few books people are all over his nuts.

And the point that Pulcinella made in the video was that the studies done on "normal" people have room for error in a lot of cases. And weight training changes a lot of things in your body. So there is a difference between a few people supposedly eating at certain times, that don't know how to train properly, and a bodybuilder who has his diet/training dialed in.

The bottom line is, low carb dieting works, carb cycling works. Otherwise the top names in the business wouldn't be doing it. I'm gonna listen to people like Keifer, and Shelby Starnes before I listen to some youtube sensation or a guy on a forum...

... Are you just trolling? You do realze that the "top names in the business" usually have no ****ing clue what the're doing regarding nutirition. You are exactly what I hate about people. Despite overwhelming amounts of reason and evidence, you refuse to change yur mind because the bottom line is "low carb dieting works, carb cycling works." An unwillingness to change has always been a trait I do not envy any human to posses... You could just keep believing it's true because it's true because it's true. Afterall, Phil Heath does it so it must be awesome, bro.

if the individual is getting desired results from low carbing, carb cycling, back-loading or what ever. who are you to tell them that they are doing it the wrong way? Should they change their views in which they most likely have the experience testing these philosophies, for the sake of change? or to just to massage your ego?

... Are you just trolling? You do realze that the "top names in the business" usually have no ****ing clue what the're doing regarding nutirition. You are exactly what I hate about people. Despite overwhelming amounts of reason and evidence, you refuse to change yur mind because the bottom line is "low carb dieting works, carb cycling works." An unwillingness to change has always been a trait I do not envy any human to posses... You could just keep believing it's true because it's true because it's true. Afterall, Phil Heath does it so it must be awesome, bro.

You're right. Shelby Starnes, a professional bodybuilder and nutritionist doesn't have a clue about nutrition. Clients just pay him hundreds of dollars to put them on carb cycling diets for ****s and giggles.
John Medows also doesn't know what he's talking about. And the countless elite level powerlifters who have cut weight and set world records with CBL also don't know what they're doing.

You, a 21 year old skinny kid who read a handful of books, clearly know more than guys who have spent 20 years in the strength community, and make a living out of helping people achieve their goals.............

seems legit

You can have all the theory in the world, and read all the books you want. But until you DO IT, no one gives a **** what you say on a message board.

theryan, u r right. but u r fighting a losing battle. u can only educate people who want to be educated.