Looking at multi-sport GPS watches... Advice?

djdube525
djdube525 Posts: 69 Member
I'm looking to replace my wife's Garmin 305 which has been a source of frustration over the years. When it works, it works well... When it doesn't... Well... Mama Bear gets cranky.

I'll give it to Garmin, they replaced the watch two times already... And for some time it worked well... But the watch doesn't pick up the heart monitor strap (we've replaced the battery to no avail).

So... Debating on trying out luck on another Garmin product... Either the 310xt, or the new 910xt. Feature wise.... For what she'll use it for... It's a wash.... Arguably the 910 looks better and may fit nicer on her wrist.

Alternatively, I've been wondering about the Suunto Ambit. Reportedly better quality, can be used as a watch, really long battery life... Not sure how well it would work as a cycling computer as compared to the Garmins. I haven't been able to find out whether it would sync up to a cadence or power tap sensor(s).

Does anyone have any experience with either of these? Pros... Cons???
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  • mleech77
    mleech77 Posts: 557 Member
    I don't have any personal experience with either, but a friend of mine swears by her 910XT. Her only complaint about it, is the same I have for the Garmin Swim, if you're a slower swimmer, it tends to add extra distance. Garmin expects you to be at a certain pace and for those of us who are a little slower you may end up with 525M when you only swam 500M.

    If you're looking for a good detailed review on both of the watches you've listed I follow this guy's blog and he has extremely detailed reviews on both.
    http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2011/10/garmin-forerunner-910xt-in-depth-review.html
    http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2012/04/suunto-ambit-in-depth-review.html
  • djdube525
    djdube525 Posts: 69 Member
    I did look at both of those briefly... A bit of information overload was going on.... Very detailed indeed!
  • Drudoo
    Drudoo Posts: 275 Member
    I use the 910xt with the triathlon bundle (bike speed and cadence sensors). I have not had a problem with it in any regards. As for swimming, during my slower laps it works just fine. The watch, using an internal gyroscope, senses when you turn at a wall and will add the appropriate distance traveled at that point. Very easy to use and the HR strap is much nicer that the 305, which I upgraded from. If your wife is a numbers junkie like me and money is not an issue, go for the 910xt.
  • ziegman49
    ziegman49 Posts: 28 Member
    I use the 910xt with the triathlon bundle (bike speed and cadence sensors). I have not had a problem with it in any regards. As for swimming, during my slower laps it works just fine. The watch, using an internal gyroscope, senses when you turn at a wall and will add the appropriate distance traveled at that point. Very easy to use and the HR strap is much nicer that the 305, which I upgraded from. If your wife is a numbers junkie like me and money is not an issue, go for the 910xt.

    Spot on.
  • djdube525
    djdube525 Posts: 69 Member
    I assume all her existing sensors (cadence, bike speed, etc) can all be reused (Ant+ compatible)?

    Do either of you have a bike mount for the watch? Which one did you go with? One looks like a screw in, but there must be some easy way to get off the strap to switch from wrist to bike mount. Or do y'all just keep it on your wrist?
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    FWIW, I have a Suunto HRM (not GPS) that has been great. I have a bike pod and foot pod to use with it for running and biking to make up for the lack of GPS (though obviously I still don't get things like elevation data). Easy to use, reliable and has proven very durable. I don't know anything about their GPS stuff or the Ambit specifically, but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a Suunto product based on my experience.

    My GF also has a suunto, and while it's gotten less use/abuse, her's as also never failed us.

    .
  • mleech77
    mleech77 Posts: 557 Member
    All of the sensors she has should be able to be re-used.

    As for the mount, before I picked up an Edge for my bike I was using this mount for my FR410 (which also has bike capability).

    http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Bicycle-Mount-Kit/dp/B000VK5BMQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359048991&sr=1-1&keywords=garmin+forerunner+bicycle+mount+kit
  • scott091501
    scott091501 Posts: 1,260 Member
    I looked at the 900. I went with the combination of the 500 for the bike and the Timex Global Trainer for the swim/run. I like the convenience of not having to switch from my wrist to the bike and vice versa.
  • Drudoo
    Drudoo Posts: 275 Member
    I like the ability to move it around. All the data is stored in one place and you only have to worry about charging one device.
  • dfquigley
    dfquigley Posts: 186
    I went with the 310xt, once my 305 died don't need the pool features of the 910xt, or the cost.

    I went with the garmin brand quick release kit, works EXCELLENT.
    Just a half turn and it pops in and out!

    Best part is, the battery life is SOOO much better. :p
  • djdube525
    djdube525 Posts: 69 Member
    How long have you had the 310xt?


    I briefly looked at REI.... I was surprised to see how big the 910xt is... I would have thought from the 305 to 310 to 910 the watches would have gotten a bit smaller... I know the specs say they have... But not a whole heck of a lot smaller.

    Dave
  • dfquigley
    dfquigley Posts: 186
    I've had it for just over 3 months.

    The 310xt is SLIGHTLY smaller than the 305, but not much, basically gets rid of the curved part.

    I never had the quick release for the 305, but adding the quick release to the 310xt made it stick out slightly more than the 305 without a quick release. That being said, VERY glad I got the quick release :p

    I also bought extra mounts since I've got 3 bikes.
  • mleech77
    mleech77 Posts: 557 Member
    I've had it for just over 3 months.

    The 310xt is SLIGHTLY smaller than the 305, but not much, basically gets rid of the curved part.

    I never had the quick release for the 305, but adding the quick release to the 310xt made it stick out slightly more than the 305 without a quick release. That being said, VERY glad I got the quick release :p

    I also bought extra mounts since I've got 3 bikes.
    Just be careful during the swim with the quick release. I know of two people that somehow in the crowd of all the swimmers got theirs knocked out of the quick release.
  • dfquigley
    dfquigley Posts: 186
    I won't be wearing it for the swim, I'm going to leave it attached to the bike.

    From what I've seen and read, if you're swimming in the water it's pretty unreliable anyways, so if anything, tuck it under your swimcap so that it can have better reception.

    I'll just wear my standard watch for time in the water ( and it will give me my overall time through the race ), and then start the gps on the bike fir that and the run.

    Last thing I want to do is both get unreliable swim data AND have the chance of losing it in the depths :p
  • Cgirlish
    Cgirlish Posts: 263 Member
    I ordered this... http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/956860865/bia-the-first-gps-sports-watch-for-womenby-women
    Can't review it yet since I won't get it until April

    Or info is also http://www.bia-sport.com/
  • shaunwewege
    shaunwewege Posts: 14 Member
    I have switched from Polar to Garmin in the last month and am very happy with the decision. The 910xt is rechargable and doesn't need speed sensors and footpods (though you can make use of these if you want).

    For me, both brands are a good bet. I went for the Garmin in the end because it can be used for open water and indoor swimming and because it is rechargable. Watch batteries don't give you a warning when they are about to go flat, they just do. And as a trainer that is incredibly inconvenient. With the Garmin I know precisely when I need to recharge.

    But from a tech point of view, Garmin, Polar and Suunto are on a par. You just need to decide which features you need the most.
  • djdube525
    djdube525 Posts: 69 Member
    One more question... what would people's preference be... one device, or a specific device for biking and another for running?

    Was thinking a Forerunner 410 and a Edge 500 is about the same cost as a 910xt. Seeing that she wouldn't use the watch for swimming all that much, I'm wondering if she'd get better use out of more dedicated devices to the task.

    She already has the cadence and wheel sensors... so don't need to get all the accessories.

    Thoughts?

    Dave
  • scott091501
    scott091501 Posts: 1,260 Member
    One more question... what would people's preference be... one device, or a specific device for biking and another for running?

    Was thinking a Forerunner 410 and a Edge 500 is about the same cost as a 910xt. Seeing that she wouldn't use the watch for swimming all that much, I'm wondering if she'd get better use out of more dedicated devices to the task.

    She already has the cadence and wheel sensors... so don't need to get all the accessories.

    Thoughts?

    Dave

    I prefer separate devices. I've left my 305 strapped to my bike before coming out of T2. It sucks to say the least. It also helps when you get into something like an Ironman and may not have enough battery time to do the whole race. Not sure what the 910s battery life was like but my 305 was like 8 hours. Not good enough.
  • djdube525
    djdube525 Posts: 69 Member
    The 310xt and 910xt both are rated for 20 hours.

    The more running centric watches (fr410 and 610) are 8 hours.
  • mleech77
    mleech77 Posts: 557 Member
    One more question... what would people's preference be... one device, or a specific device for biking and another for running?

    Was thinking a Forerunner 410 and a Edge 500 is about the same cost as a 910xt. Seeing that she wouldn't use the watch for swimming all that much, I'm wondering if she'd get better use out of more dedicated devices to the task.

    She already has the cadence and wheel sensors... so don't need to get all the accessories.

    Thoughts?

    Dave
    This is the exact setup I have, the FR410 and the Edge 500, but I do have the Garmin Swim for my pool workouts. The 410 I picked up because Amazon had it 50% off just before Christmas. I only really have two complaints about the 410. At times it takes a while to recognize the footpod is present (although this may be user error). Also the bezel control can be a bit of a pain in the butt.

    Before I found a good deal on the Edge I was using the FR410 for both my bike and running workouts. The only thing that the FR410 doesn't allow for is power meters on bikes. So honestly if she's not going to use a power meter you could get away with the 410 for both running and bike. Because of the troubles with the bezel controls it takes a little time to switch from bike to run, so not sure I'd rely on this for a race as my sole device. For training purposes though you could very easily make do with just the 410.

    Personally I'm sticking with separate devices during my training. Before my first race of the season I may treat myself to a 910XT.
  • djdube525
    djdube525 Posts: 69 Member
    Thinking about this more... I'm opting out of the idea of a 910xt (due to cost)...

    So debating on between the two options...

    FR410 + Garmin 500

    or

    Garmin 310xt (lower cost) or 910xt


    I'm leaning away from the 910xt as it doesn't add a whole heck of a lot above and beyond the 310 from what I can tell aside from tracking laps and form factor. The gps tracking is flaky... hrm is essentially useless for both (unless I'm missing a key feature).

    I'd be sold on the 310xt if it wasn't so big... and the fact that it is exacerbated when using the quick release assessory (on wrist).

    I just need to close my eyes and pull the trigger... would also wish there was a killer deal on one and or both options.
  • mleech77
    mleech77 Posts: 557 Member
    I'm curious, what makes you say the hrm is essentially useless for both, and that the gps tracking if flaky? Honestly I've heard only good reviews about both of these features. In fact dcrainmaker posted the hrm accuracy as one of his pros on the 910xt review. I mean obviously the hrm won't work while swimming.

    Since I've got time before my first race, I'm also waiting for a good deal to come along. I've set up alerts on slickdeals.net to let me know when anything comes out for the 910XT or the 310XT. If all else fails dcrainmaker offers a 10% off discount code at clevertraining so since you have all the accessories already the 310XT would be 190.79 w/free shipping and the 910XT would be 359.99 w/free shipping.
  • Drudoo
    Drudoo Posts: 275 Member
    I am yet to have an issue with the 910xt and i've had mine since November. HRM is the most accurate one I've used and the GPS is normally picked up in 20-30 seconds. I don't see what's flaky about that. It allows you to customize u[ to four screens with 1-4 data outputs ( 1: HR, Mph, Rpm, Time, 2: Power, HR Zone %, etc...) This is available for each sport. I love having what I want on what screens I want. Makes checking past and current progress very easy.

    As for the quick release mount, as I've said earlier, it works very well. No problems there either.

    Sounds like you're leaning to the 310. Go with it!
  • djdube525
    djdube525 Posts: 69 Member
    I'm curious, what makes you say the hrm is essentially useless for both, and that the gps tracking if flaky? Honestly I've heard only good reviews about both of these features. In fact dcrainmaker posted the hrm accuracy as one of his pros on the 910xt review. I mean obviously the hrm won't work while swimming.

    Sorry I didn't complete my thought... I meant when in water/swimming.

    Thanks reminder about the discount code!

    Edit 1: I stand corrected on the swimming portion... I was basing the gps tracking being flacky if the device goes underwater, but based on dcrainmaker's review... looks like the 910 has a "smoothing" algorithm to account for any missed data points when the device is underwater.

    With that info and the discount code... y'all may have helped make up my mind. :)
  • mleech77
    mleech77 Posts: 557 Member
    Thanks reminder about the discount code!
    No problem, of course I realize now I didn't post it. DCRSAVE10
  • Separate devices rated for 8 hours wouldn't work for me, I tend to do ridiculous rides like double centuries etc. with some buddies, so it would die 2/3 or less through. I used to carry my 305 and a buddies, nothing but a pain.

    Much better now with the extended battery life.
  • rob_v
    rob_v Posts: 270 Member
    Have had the 310xt for several years now w/ no complaints at all. I love the thing.
    Download the garmin software - and I can push my custom workout to my watch as well as pull down the data.
    The 910 is great - but for the extra $$ not worth in IMO. The main thing it does better is track your swimming distance a little more accurate. Again to me not worth the 150 difference.
    Either way you go - get the quick mount - so you can go from your wrist to the bike in a quick twist.

    Never had an issue w/ the battery in my 310. I used it for several 6+ hour rides as well as an Ironman.


    Good luck,
  • The main difference for the 910xt is the pool metrics.

    You can set it to say 25m indoor pool and it will track your laps for you, strokes per lap, all sorts of neat stuff.

    Many people will pay for a specific swim watch to do all these, but the 910xt has it built in.

    A little more than just a bit more water accuracy :p
  • djdube525
    djdube525 Posts: 69 Member
    I ended up going for the 910 for a few reasons...

    1) It's a gift... I didn't want to feel as I had "skimped" (selfish reasons/thought process I know)
    2) Ergonomics
    3) Coupon lessoned the "bite" a bit
    4) Since the 910 is newer, I suspect Garmin is more likely to continue upgrading the software a bit longer than the 310
    5) I was tired of reading comparisons - slight compulsion buy

    The 310 likely would have fit the bill... but needed to make a decision to ensure it's here by v'day.

    I did get the quick release kit... which got me thinking... would this quick release kit work well with the 500? It got me thinking that it would be a cheap way to use my 500 on the run (aside from tucking it in a pocket... which I don't always have)?
  • rob_v
    rob_v Posts: 270 Member
    Congrats - I think either one is a good choice.
    Make sure you d.l the garmin training center software (the one that you have do everything on your PC - not the one where it pushes everything online) , It makes creating workouts so much better!

    If you mind me asking - what kind of coupon did you have? (something online??)