She deactivated her account. I guess she couldn't handle the truth and didn't like looking like an ungrateful idiot who prioritized her want of a fast appointment over the health of 30 million people.

Those "30 million" people need to get a job. Not have handouts from Obammie!!

Anyone who says "Get a job" is really saying "I have no concept of reality in this economy". Even if they did get a job - look at all the greedy SOBs who are cutting their employees hours specifically so that they won't have healthcare. I know engineers with master's degrees who are delivering pizzas. They don't get insurance anymore because their professional job laid them off. Then you have a large portion of that 30,000,000 who aren't old enough to work. They're kids. The pro-fetus (as opposed to real pro-lifers) crowd wants to make dame sure that every zygote must become a person but once they're born they take your attitude of "F* you I got mine." Shame on you.

She deactivated her account. I guess she couldn't handle the truth and didn't like looking like an ungrateful idiot who prioritized her want of a fast appointment over the health of 30 million people.

Those "30 million" people need to get a job. Not have handouts from Obammie!!

Anyone who says "Get a job" is really saying "I have no concept of reality in this economy". Even if they did get a job - look at all the greedy SOBs who are cutting their employees hours specifically so that they won't have healthcare. I know engineers with master's degrees who are delivering pizzas. They don't get insurance anymore because their professional job laid them off. Then you have a large portion of that 30,000,000 who aren't old enough to work. They're kids. The pro-fetus (as opposed to real pro-lifers) crowd wants to make dame sure that every zygote must become a person but once they're born they take your attitude of "F* you I got mine." Shame on you.

Applause, of the vociferous kind. :flowerforyou:

*Joins in with the applause.*

I don't understand how anyone reaches adulthood without understanding the basic realities of the economic structure they live in, but really, shouldn't reality be taught in school or something?

She deactivated her account. I guess she couldn't handle the truth and didn't like looking like an ungrateful idiot who prioritized her want of a fast appointment over the health of 30 million people.

Those "30 million" people need to get a job. Not have handouts from Obammie!!

Anyone who says "Get a job" is really saying "I have no concept of reality in this economy". Even if they did get a job - look at all the greedy SOBs who are cutting their employees hours specifically so that they won't have healthcare. I know engineers with master's degrees who are delivering pizzas. They don't get insurance anymore because their professional job laid them off. Then you have a large portion of that 30,000,000 who aren't old enough to work. They're kids. The pro-fetus (as opposed to real pro-lifers) crowd wants to make dame sure that every zygote must become a person but once they're born they take your attitude of "F* you I got mine." Shame on you.

Applause, of the vociferous kind. :flowerforyou:

*Joins in with the applause.*

I don't understand how anyone reaches adulthood without understanding the basic realities of the economic structure they live in, but really, shouldn't reality be taught in school or something?

The heck with reaching "adulthood", how about "become leaders of national political parties" without understanding the basic realities of the economic structure they live in"?

When I get some time, no worries, I will change my profile pic.

But here is the thing.....if socialized medicine is so ****ing awful....and we support our troops, consider them heroes and want nothing but the best for them, how come I have never heard a single conservative advocate getting rid of government ran healthcare for our veterans. It's not good enough for out citizens, but it's good enough for our vets?

Something doesn't make sense to me. Either it's not as bad as everyone is making it out to be or, once again, our support the troops rhetoric is just lip service as our men and women returning from service are getting rear ended...again.

As a veteran I can quite easily say that the coverage I had while on active duty was sub-par at best and it took getting a high ranked person involved to get doctor appointments for minor things like broken bones and ears so infected they were bleeding...but, who am I to complain?

Also a veteran. Tricare (military health care) sucked!!!!!

This is a little off topic, but has anyone read the article "Bitter Pill" in the recent issue of Time magazine? The journalist was featured on The Daily Show a few weeks ago.

It's a very insightful and eye-opening read about medical costs.

I just don't trust anyone but me and my doctor with my health care period... neither private nor public... especially after watching an uncle die while waiting for disability so he could pay for healthcare he needed that workers comp wouldn't pay because it was an indirect result of an injury... watching my grandparents and parents suffer on Medicare and Tricare respectively.... It all just doesn't advocate much trust in the system for me. Do I still pay my premiums... yes, I do... but I would much rather have a catasrophic event type of insurance instead of insurance that pays for every cold and check up that I can afford without insurance.

I would like to see more Minute Clinic (in places such as Walmart, Target, Walgreens, and CVS) type places for the basic stuff, such as check ups and routine immunizations... where you don't have to pay an arm and a leg for a cold or to have your cholestoral checked... Urgent care clinics, for the more severe but still minor stuff...

But alas, we will still have people that will walk on into the ER, because they know that the ER will have to treat them regardless of fact they are not going to pay... People don't HAVE to go broke getting basic healthcare needs filled and we don't HAVE to depend on the government and/or health insurance companies to get it for us either.... but that's the way we are going to go, because there is little to no personal responsibility and a crap ton of entitled attitudes to go along with it.

People don't HAVE to go broke getting basic healthcare needs filled and we don't HAVE to depend on the government and/or health insurance companies to get it for us either.... but that's the way we are going to go, because there is little to no personal responsibility and a crap ton of entitled attitudes to go along with it.

Yes, we do have to depend on the government or private companies. Otherwise only the rich could afford healthcare. Medical bills are the largest cause of bankruptcy in the US. It would be less expensive for everyone if we just had a single-payer system.

People don't HAVE to go broke getting basic healthcare needs filled and we don't HAVE to depend on the government and/or health insurance companies to get it for us either.... but that's the way we are going to go, because there is little to no personal responsibility and a crap ton of entitled attitudes to go along with it.

Yes, we do have to depend on the government or private companies. Otherwise only the rich could afford healthcare. Medical bills are the largest cause of bankruptcy in the US. It would be less expensive for everyone if we just had a single-payer system.

No we don't... right at this very moment, you do not NEED to have insurance (private or public) to get affordable basic care. I'm not talking surgeries or cancer treatments, that is a whole different beast... I'm talking basic preventable care, such as screenings, immunizations and minor injury care. I can walk into a CVS Minute Clinic and get many different types of screenings and physicals done for less than a $100... the flu shot for less than $40. The other more longer lasting immunizations such has Hep A and Dtap cost more than $100, but it still doable if you know you need it. I know people will say, "but many people don't have $100".... If you know it's something you need to do, you will find a way to save up that little bit of money. It's called "Budgeting". There are families right now that do it, a couple of them even blog about it. Then there are people that expect everything handed to them because they deserve it. That's not to say that people don't deserve health care... but if it were me, and it was for a short time, health care is more important than a lot of other things such as cable (or even a TV period) or beauty products or whatever other extraneous things, that while yes make my life easier and more pleasant, are not necessary to the act of living. It's all about choices.

Standing Ovation!!!! :flowerforyou: This attitude is what made America great. It's nice to see it still exists.

People don't HAVE to go broke getting basic healthcare needs filled and we don't HAVE to depend on the government and/or health insurance companies to get it for us either.... but that's the way we are going to go, because there is little to no personal responsibility and a crap ton of entitled attitudes to go along with it.

Yes, we do have to depend on the government or private companies. Otherwise only the rich could afford healthcare. Medical bills are the largest cause of bankruptcy in the US. It would be less expensive for everyone if we just had a single-payer system.

No we don't... right at this very moment, you do not NEED to have insurance (private or public) to get affordable basic care. I'm not talking surgeries or cancer treatments, that is a whole different beast... I'm talking basic preventable care, such as screenings, immunizations and minor injury care. I can walk into a CVS Minute Clinic and get many different types of screenings and physicals done for less than a $100... the flu shot for less than $40. The other more longer lasting immunizations such has Hep A and Dtap cost more than $100, but it still doable if you know you need it. I know people will say, "but many people don't have $100".... If you know it's something you need to do, you will find a way to save up that little bit of money. It's called "Budgeting". There are families right now that do it, a couple of them even blog about it. Then there are people that expect everything handed to them because they deserve it. That's not to say that people don't deserve health care... but if it were me, and it was for a short time, health care is more important than a lot of other things such as cable (or even a TV period) or beauty products or whatever other extraneous things, that while yes make my life easier and more pleasant, are not necessary to the act of living. It's all about choices.

It's a nice theory, and for many people, these options exist. However, for many others, the choice is between feeding and housing themselves and their children/dependants, both of which have a significant impact on their health in the first place, and accessing medical care. Even the 'cheap' variety, especially of preventive medicine, is too expensive for some - an unattainable luxury - a fact which I, and many others, regard as a blight on the face of any developed nation, which should, without question, be able and willing to provide basic medical care, at the very least, for all its' citizens. That's before you even get into the iniquities of cancer treatment that bankrupts and impoverishes sufferers and all the other scenarios.

The thing that puzzles me about the attitude of many Americans to universal healthcare is the idea that because you are not directly taxed for healthcare, that this somehow saves you from the costs of providing for those who cannot afford the private insurance which seems to be essential in the US. It doesn't. Ill health among a country's working population inevitably raises costs to everyone, not just those directly affected. Economically, it makes better sense to have comprehensive, taxpayer-funded healthcare, in a system that can be managed, fiscally-speaking, than to have ad-hoc set-ups which cannot predict and therefore manage costs, and which end up costing the taxpayer more, albeit indirectly, than the organised, centrally-funded alternative.

Unless you are homeless and have absolutely no income whatsoever, with a bit of budgeting, you can afford a $59 physical once a year. If you can't, well then I don't know what to tell ya... except there are families of 4 that are doing it on $20,000 or less and they are still making room in their budgets for health care.

I don't mind helping people out... really I don't. But I highly dislike the system as a whole... a system that KEEPS people in poverty, not driving them out of it. A system that allows people to slowly die before they are granted access to it. A system that is so full of red tape and bureaucracy that it won't allow doctors to create alternative programs so that people could get care... I would rather see us be able to barter with doctors for their services rather than be beholden to either insurance or the government because neither is freeing in my opinion. And in my opinion, it's the government and the insurance companies fault that we are in this mess to begin with. Insurance covering things at their discretion... then the Government telling the insurance companies what they have to cover, which means unlike other forms of insurance we can't buy it across state lines... To be honest, I would rather not have either... medical care would be so much cheaper, because I can guarantee that I don't spend even a quarter of what I spend in premiums with actual health care and it keeps going up because I'm having to pay for a bunch of diabetics that aren't getting themselves treated properly....

Unless you are homeless and have absolutely no income whatsoever, with a bit of budgeting, you can afford a $59 physical once a year. If you can't, well then I don't know what to tell ya... except there are families of 4 that are doing it on $20,000 or less and they are still making room in their budgets for health care.

I have some questions because I don't know how your system works. Does that $59 physical cover lab tests for sugar and cholesterol? Mammograms or a PSA test? Does it cover return visits to discuss the results of such tests? To me all of these fall under the check up label. What happens to this family in the case of catastrophic illness or injury?

That is a price for a basic physical at a CVS Minute clinic per their website: http://www.minuteclinic.com/services/

It does not include catastrophic illness or injury (which I stated in an earlier post and that it is a whole different beast). You can pick and choose what you want and feel you need... it is a la carte so to speak... so the prices will change based on what all you want to have done... but even still it is MUCH cheaper going to a Minute Clinic for the routine basic preventative stuff such as this, then to go to even an Urgent Care clinic, a family health clinic, and especially the ER (which is where most people go because they are either uneducated with the choices that may be available, let alone pricing, OR they just simply don't want to pay and know the ER has to treat them regardless of intent or ability to pay).

ETA: the cost of a physical varies between $59-$79 depending on type.

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I have compasion for those who cannot afford health care! I have no compassion for someone sitting at home enjoy the good life (that working peoples taxes pay for) while the GOOD people go to work everyday to pay for!

That's a very small portion of the population. The majority of people receiving government assistance actually work or are trying to work, excluding retirees. And labeling people as good or bad shows how little compassion you have.



I was labeled as not being a decent human because i didnt want to pay for this healthcare bill!

Where did you find statistics on percentages of people on welfare that also have jobs?

Where did you find statistics on percentages of people on welfare that also have jobs?

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677