On my days off I just do active stuff..walking etc. sometimes I walk on lifting days..I like lifting.

I'm eating relatively clean but not obsessively so.

II dunno..if you want to lose fat you have to cut calories and burn more than you eat...in any plan.

There's no magic..however you will look better if you lift..I've seen enough before and after photos to see that

I never took NROL4W as a fat loss book...just a strenght gain/shape changing program. though it's still talked about to some degree in there.

Confusing..so the workouts down the road are very difficult? I hope so..I like to work hard at the gym!

This is pretty much what I'm doing. I NEED to lose the pounds, but I'm not being obsessive about it. I'd LOVE to wear a bikini by the end of summer, but that's not realistic. At all.

I chose this route because A) I really hate low calorie dieting. I'm very much a weakling and need the strength. C) I hate cardio for the most part, and if that's all I chose to do, I'd give up, eat Ben and Jerry's and live with being fat. <--That's NOT what I want. I want long term, sustainable results. A lifestyle change.

Anyway, I agree. I'm a more effective fat burner if I'm stronger. That's a no-brainer.

Maybe it's a promotional exercise to get people to buy the newer books - I guess this is the cynic in me!

This.

I also think Alwyn is koo-koo for not recognizing what an AWESOME NICHE it is/was to market EXCLUSIVELY to women.

We buy!

We buy books!

We buy books that "look" like a men's program, but have some "specifically-designed" work for women.

Betcha anything, a NEW "NROL4W" will come out, with a similar format to NROL4Life and NROL4Abs because, let's face it, women LIKE IT.

I haven't purchased any of the books yet and now I'm confused. I'm really new to lifting and nursing a pulled muscle in my back from the current program I'm doing. I injured it doing bicep curls while doing sumo squats on my toes. Not good. I heard this program doesn't have those kind of weird moves. Is that true? I'm 47 years old. Which book would you suggest I start with? I know very little about lifting anything but dumbbells. I don't even know what half the stuff in the weight room is for. Would you suggest the NROLFW for me or one of the other books?

You can't go wrong with NROLFW . It is a great book for women to learn the basics.

^^^^totally agree with the above!

Thanks for the replies! I guess I'll go with the NROLFW and start there. A little nervous to start seeing that I already injured myself. Lol I'm doing Chalean Extreme now and I like it but it has a lot of weird isolation moves and makes me much more prone to injury. I guess my sense of balance is worse than what I thought it was!!

Avie, you can do anything. Burpees, treadmill, bike, elliptical, jump rope...my favorite right now is box jumps(http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=opuA4Ej2GDs&amp;desktop_uri=/watch?v=opuA4Ej2GDs) and farmers carry just using weight plates (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9i4Vk-ZJ4os&amp;desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9i4Vk-ZJ4os).

BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL DOING BOX JUMPS!

I know someone who landed on the box, shin first & split hit leg open. it required 16 stiches. He'd been doing them w/o incident for about a year when the accident happened.... they're very risky and many gyms have removed their boxes.

I just wanted to add that I bought Drop Two Sizes and I actually really like it. I have been doing NROL4W but only stage 1. I loved NROL4W as it introduced me to lifting and helped me to understand why it is so much better for me than hours on the treadmill etc. And it made me realize that I much prefer weights to endless cardio workouts.

I had some success with NROL4W as after about 4 weeks people were asking me if I lost weight which I think is a great sign plus I felt great.

I do really like Drop Two Sizes and I feel at this moment in time it is the better program for me. It has a a RAMP warmup which I like a lot. Many moves are actually the same as in NROL4W such as lunges step ups etc. You also do squats and deadlifts just with dumbbells I think this is in the book so it will be easier for people to workout at home. I think I will still use the oly bar for those. You still have overhead press and lat pull down etc just different variations that workout the whole body more. It also incorporates body weight exercises such as variations of planks.
On top of that you have metabolic workouts for your non lifting days. I have only tried the workouts at home to see what I think and I really liked it. I was soaking wet and I felt it the next and even though I have just done a couple of workouts I feel great. I can understand what Alwyn was saying as the Drop Two Sizes feels as if the latest science has been incorporated- if that makes sense. They are using the workouts in the book in their gym 'Result Fitness'. I really like it and I think it is great for people like me that are overweight and just want to focus on fat loss rather than purely building strength. I will definitely go back to their other books afterwards.

As the TRX and resistance band were mentioned they are actually just optional if you do workout from home or if your gym has TRX. Mine doesn't but it is no issue as there are options to do the workouts with other gym equipment.

The eating plan I personally really like. I normally never really care for them and I have never looked at the one in the NROL4W book. I do like this one as it is normal and easily available food and as it is not far off from what I normally eat (when I am being good) I decided to give it a go.

I am sure the Cosgroves are doing well financially so I don't think they have a reason to push the new books by putting the old ones down as well as I am sure they still make a profit from NROL4W.

I just wanted to give my opinion as there is not much out there about Drop Two Sizes yet but I think it is a great program and has been dismissed unfairly here...

Well what I meant by that is that I am sure they are making loads by selling their books already so i doubt he comments on a Facebook group simply to improve the sales of his wife's book...maybe the newer books are just a bit more rounded and he wants to promote them obviously.

I just wanted to give my opinion as there is not much out there about Drop Two Sizes yet but I think it is a great program and has been dismissed unfairly here...

I've been reading some positive reviews about D2S and am thinking about looking into it. Is the food/diet part integral to the program, though? My husband and I are both cooks and really like to wing it with our recipes. I'd go crazy if I had to follow a menu. That, and I'm PICKY, LOL. We are both strict about logging food on MFP and keeping our calories in check. I'm really struggling with NROL4W right now, and as much as I'd like to finish it, the D2S workouts sound appealing. I don't want to give up the oly bar, though.

You don't have to stick to the diet plan. You could use it as inspiration maybe?
Also you could still use the oly bar just do a back squat instead of the goblet squad and same for the deadlift.

Please keep in mind that there are plenty of lifters still doing OLD programs from 20 or more years ago.

Just because new books released doesn't mean the old workout program will not work anymore.

Never forget that changing things up for a new book = continual payroll.

Its business.

Well I just ordered Drop Two Sizes but want to complete New Rules first if I can. I've been disappointed with changes to my body in New Rules although it has given my training more structure. I've gained a couple of pounds though (fat not muscle!) so that also affects how my body looks. But no sign of the bingo wings going and weight increases are tiny. So I fancy trying something different but will try and stick our New Rules for now.

I did order it but am not likely to use it verbatim - more likely to use some of the exercises. I have used the RAMP warm up which is quite good - though long! The exercises are interesting - the focus seems to be on many reps and lower weight, but it should be adaptable to heavier weight work. However it is focused on dumbbells rather than heavier barbell training. The metabolic circuits look interesting and I may use these occasionally too - longer but not as tough as the body weight matrix I suspect but I'll try and see. I didn't like the diet section - I'm vegetarian and there weren't many options, and to be honest, although it wasn't calorie counted, it didn't look very much - no wonder people lose weight! I would need more to eat!

So, in summary - some stuff that I will use and adapt, some that I will ignore - not a waste of money but probably not recommended wholesale. A shame it is sold as a size lose miracle diet as that undervalues some interesting workouts.

If the diet is anything like what she put in her first book, it is very low cal. Once again, ANY lifting program will give you fat loss results if you push yourself and eat at a deficit. That's what it all boils down to.
The more reviews I read of this book the more I definitely know its not for me. I love heavy lifting and there's none of it in "Two Sizes" from what I am reading. However, I can see that it is probably more convenient for those who lift at home or at a gym with limited equipment.