New and wobbling
disintegratedgirl
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Hi guys. I've spent the last couple of days slowly reading through a few of the topics on here and some of the links and decided to give this a go but after only a couple of days I am finding I am really wobbling with the concept and just wanted a bit of reassurance that I *am* doing the right thing and a bit of guidance about exactly what approach I should take.
I started trying to lose weight about 4 1/2 years ago and have lost a little under 3 stone. 2 stone came off in the first 9 months and the rest much slower over the next 18 months. I haven't really been able to lose any real weight for the last 2 years despite not going "off plan". I have tried SW, WW, low carb and 5:2, stuck to them all and haven't really spent any time (minus a couple of days here and then for holidays and such) off plan in the last 2 years. When I started 4 years ago although I cooked from scratch 90% of the time I had no concept of portion control and always went for the most indulgent options available and drank a fair bit of alcohol and avoided exercise at all costs. When I started I was around 16 and a half stone.
I'm really proud of the changes I have made to my lifestyle and my health but I feel absolutely and completely and utterly lost. I want to lose more weight as as someone still in the obese category of BMI surely it shouldn't be this impossible. I joined the gym a year ago and its become a huge and enjoyable part of my life. My body has changed for the better in this time but the scales haven't changed and I haven't really lost any inches.
Although I wasn't officially calorie counting for alot of the last couple of years I have kept a very honest paper food diary for almost all the time and tracked a few weeks here and there. My calorie intake generally ranges between 1300 - 1700. Is this low enough to have suppressed my metabolism over the time span I have been doing it? Would this explain the lack of weight loss? Exercise wise in a week I always do a 1hr swim, a 45 minutes kettlebell class, an hour body combat class and then either a second body combat class or a 60 minute gym session (running, cross trainer, weights, core), sometimes both. In addition once or twice a month I go on hilly 10-12 mile walks in the peak district.
I would really appreciate any help on whether my calories have been low enough to inhibit my metabolism and whether I need to go to a metabolism re-set before upping my calories but still maintaining a decifit. And on what activity level i count as with the exercise detailed above. I have a job which involves home visits in the community so not exactly sedentary but not that active either.
I would also love some guidance on the best way to work what calories I should be aiming for at the moment. I have tried to aim for 2000 for the last couple of days but its been a feel struggle psychologically and physically and have found myself waking up in a cold sweat in the morning thinking "what on earth are you doing??". I am prepared for temporary weight gain for the long term goal but just terrified of how much that might be.
My current stats are;
Age: 31
Female
Weight: 192lbs
Height: 5'5"
Body fat: 39% (this was a few months back at the gym but will get another one done in a couple of weeks)
Any help and reassurance would be greatly appreciated! I feel like I might have stumbled across the answer but just struggling to keep the faith at the moment.
I started trying to lose weight about 4 1/2 years ago and have lost a little under 3 stone. 2 stone came off in the first 9 months and the rest much slower over the next 18 months. I haven't really been able to lose any real weight for the last 2 years despite not going "off plan". I have tried SW, WW, low carb and 5:2, stuck to them all and haven't really spent any time (minus a couple of days here and then for holidays and such) off plan in the last 2 years. When I started 4 years ago although I cooked from scratch 90% of the time I had no concept of portion control and always went for the most indulgent options available and drank a fair bit of alcohol and avoided exercise at all costs. When I started I was around 16 and a half stone.
I'm really proud of the changes I have made to my lifestyle and my health but I feel absolutely and completely and utterly lost. I want to lose more weight as as someone still in the obese category of BMI surely it shouldn't be this impossible. I joined the gym a year ago and its become a huge and enjoyable part of my life. My body has changed for the better in this time but the scales haven't changed and I haven't really lost any inches.
Although I wasn't officially calorie counting for alot of the last couple of years I have kept a very honest paper food diary for almost all the time and tracked a few weeks here and there. My calorie intake generally ranges between 1300 - 1700. Is this low enough to have suppressed my metabolism over the time span I have been doing it? Would this explain the lack of weight loss? Exercise wise in a week I always do a 1hr swim, a 45 minutes kettlebell class, an hour body combat class and then either a second body combat class or a 60 minute gym session (running, cross trainer, weights, core), sometimes both. In addition once or twice a month I go on hilly 10-12 mile walks in the peak district.
I would really appreciate any help on whether my calories have been low enough to inhibit my metabolism and whether I need to go to a metabolism re-set before upping my calories but still maintaining a decifit. And on what activity level i count as with the exercise detailed above. I have a job which involves home visits in the community so not exactly sedentary but not that active either.
I would also love some guidance on the best way to work what calories I should be aiming for at the moment. I have tried to aim for 2000 for the last couple of days but its been a feel struggle psychologically and physically and have found myself waking up in a cold sweat in the morning thinking "what on earth are you doing??". I am prepared for temporary weight gain for the long term goal but just terrified of how much that might be.
My current stats are;
Age: 31
Female
Weight: 192lbs
Height: 5'5"
Body fat: 39% (this was a few months back at the gym but will get another one done in a couple of weeks)
Any help and reassurance would be greatly appreciated! I feel like I might have stumbled across the answer but just struggling to keep the faith at the moment.
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If I were you, yes I would absolutely try a metabolism re-set... That is quite a bit of exercise and 1300 - 1700 is really low. That metabolism re-set will get your body revved up again and "remind" it what its true TDEE is. I would try it for a couple of months --- I know that sounds like an eternity, but consider it an investment in *you*.
Have you figured out your TDEE with the Scooby Calculator? By the sounds of it, with 4 days of exercise at about an hour each day, you would fit in the Moderate category.
When I started upping my calories, I had the same feelings that you are having. Especially if you eat "clean" , you feel so full and really start doubting the whole idea. I found that that feeling went away after about 2 weeks. Once I got over that "hump" I found that I had so much more energy for my workouts and truly started to feel stronger.
I cut way back on my cardio, then like so many EM2WLers, I started heavy lifting. I have to say that was the best thing I ever did for myself. I am 50 years old, and have never felt better. Once I started lifting, the weight loss definitely slowed down, but my body size and shape completely changed.
I currently am maintaining at 2300 calories a day and continue to lift three days a week. Only real cardio I do is hiking, brisk walking and maybe some run/walk intervals a couple times a week.
Trust the process and try the re-set. It will be so worth it in the long run!0 -
Thanks for the reply. Its reassuring to hear it working for other people and your avatar picture is really inspiring.
I did check my TDEE on the scooby calculator but was concerned that that one doesn't take account of body fat % and therefore can inflate TDEE for people who are still reasonably overweight. Is this the most reliable one to go for? So for the reset I would need to eat the TDEE of 2555 for a couple of months? Daunting but quite appealing it some ways I have to say!
I think the thing is I have always avoided crazy low calorie diets and never felt that deprived with my food so I presumed I was avoiding the metabolism stunting trap. I guess I didn't really register that I was eating lower than I should with the exercise I did.
I am quite interesting in swapping some of the cardio style exercise I do for more weights. Am I better to wait until after the reset for this or start straight away? I currently do a kettlebells class once a week, does that count at all? If I am gradually pushing the weight I use up? I currently use a 12kg weight and am just beginning to contemplate using a 16kg for some things.
The other thing that I am a little confused about is the discussion about whether you should sometimes eat extra exercise calories back in addition to your TDEE calories when you have done more exercise than usual. And how you accurate estimates of calories spent in exercise are. Most internet sites seem to come up with crazy calorie figures for my walks of oer 2000 calories (10 miles cross country and uphill) but I struggle to think this would be anywhere near accurate.
Day 3 today and I am actually really hungry. I've been aiming for around 2100 calories which was a big struggle for the first two days but today I am finding I am suddenly ravenous every 2.5 hours.0 -
Sounds like you are off on the right track! Yep, swapping out some of the cardio for weight training is a great idea. All the extra fuel you will be giving your body as you re-set will give you tons of energy for some awesome workouts! Sure, kettlebells count as lifting, but they are often done in a more circuit training, cardio intense sort of way. I saw the most significant changes in my body when I started doing Cathe Friedrich's heavy lifting DVDs.
If your TDEE is figured out correctly, then exercise calories don't *have* to be eaten back because, technically, TDEE figures them in. Only in the case where you might have a really big calorie burn day, you never want to net below your BMR, so you might have to eat a little more to compensate (say on those 10 mile walk days) --- if you are doing this a lot though, you need to re-figure your TDEE at a higher level.
Get as many EM2WL friends as you can - friends experiencing the same things as you make the journey so much easier :-)0 -
Yeah, the kettlebells class I do is much more set up as a circuits type thing which was why I wondered. Think I might try swapping one of my cardio sessions for the next couple of weeks to a gym kettlebells session but concencrate on going up a weight and doing less reps.
The walks are only once or twice a month so reckon I might be better off just eating a little bit more on those days rather than trying to incorporate into my TDEE. Apart from when we go away for a week's walking holiday and do it 5/6 days. I dread to think how much I am meant to be eating on those weeks following this principle!!
Is the Scooby calculator the most accurate way of working out my TDEE? I have checked a few of the calculators and they seem to vary by several hundred calories.
Start of first full week on higher calories and feeling reasonably confident about it all. I feel a bit less bloated and "full" than I did for the first couple of days and yesterday I found myself ravenously hungry every 2.5 hours which is very new.0 -
I remember I was miserably full for the first couple of weeks, then I started feeling really hungry, like you. This seemed to subside after a couple of weeks as well. I just concentrated on filling myself up with filling, healthy (mostly vegetable) options. I also upped my protein goal a lot and that seemed to help too (to keep me feeling fuller longer).
I have a BodyMedia Fit, and use that to gauge my TDEE, but yes Scooby is great as well (and is very similar to what I get with my BMF). It is all "guesstimation" anyways, so I don't stress over a hundred calories here or there - it all seems to even out over time...
Yep, as far a those long walk days, since they are so infrequent, just figure your TDEE without them, then just eat a couple hundred extra calories on those particular days. If they were on a more frequent (weekly) basis, then you could add them in to your TDEE calculations...0 -
Is the Scooby calculator the most accurate way of working out my TDEE? I have checked a few of the calculators and they seem to vary by several hundred calories.
They all pretty much use the same TDEE levels based on the Harris study from 1919.
The only other difference would be do they start with the Harris or Mifflin or Katch BMR as foundation of math.
A few use much more recent studies and those are considered better, but I've yet to see one that allows you to still look at the weekly routine and avg back out to daily level.
So that's why this spreadsheet helps calculate your bodyfat if you don't have a decent estimate, uses the best estimate Katch BMR based on that, and then a better Activity Calculator based on actual exercise type and time weekly, as well as your daily activity maybe being more than a sedentary desk job to get better TDEE, then track your progress with inches and weight.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/961054-spreadsheet-for-bodyfat-bmr-tdee-progress-tracker
If you want just a rough estimate of TDEE, but better than rough 5 levels, at least use this, which is still based on that 1919 study, just lets you get the time better.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1018770-better-rough-tdee-estimate-than-5-level-chart0 -
I remember I was miserably full for the first couple of weeks, then I started feeling really hungry, like you. This seemed to subside after a couple of weeks as well. I just concentrated on filling myself up with filling, healthy (mostly vegetable) options. I also upped my protein goal a lot and that seemed to help too (to keep me feeling fuller longer).
I have a BodyMedia Fit, and use that to gauge my TDEE, but yes Scooby is great as well (and is very similar to what I get with my BMF). It is all "guesstimation" anyways, so I don't stress over a hundred calories here or there - it all seems to even out over time...
Yep, as far a those long walk days, since they are so infrequent, just figure your TDEE without them, then just eat a couple hundred extra calories on those particular days. If they were on a more frequent (weekly) basis, then you could add them in to your TDEE calculations...
I did feel miserably full for the first couple of days and then at the weekend it seemed to change around to feeling very full immediately after eating but then getting hugely hungry a couple of hours later. Managing to spread my calories out to cover that at the moment, although reassured to hear that the hungry every couple of hours stage passes as well!
I guess that's going to be a big thing to get my head around - 100 calories or so not being a big deal anymore.0 -
Is the Scooby calculator the most accurate way of working out my TDEE? I have checked a few of the calculators and they seem to vary by several hundred calories.
They all pretty much use the same TDEE levels based on the Harris study from 1919.
The only other difference would be do they start with the Harris or Mifflin or Katch BMR as foundation of math.
A few use much more recent studies and those are considered better, but I've yet to see one that allows you to still look at the weekly routine and avg back out to daily level.
So that's why this spreadsheet helps calculate your bodyfat if you don't have a decent estimate, uses the best estimate Katch BMR based on that, and then a better Activity Calculator based on actual exercise type and time weekly, as well as your daily activity maybe being more than a sedentary desk job to get better TDEE, then track your progress with inches and weight.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/961054-spreadsheet-for-bodyfat-bmr-tdee-progress-tracker
If you want just a rough estimate of TDEE, but better than rough 5 levels, at least use this, which is still based on that 1919 study, just lets you get the time better.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1018770-better-rough-tdee-estimate-than-5-level-chart
Thank you so much for that link. You've obviously put alot of work into that spreadsheet and its lovely of you to share it with everyone
I was a bit concerned about the previous ones not accounting for body fat % so glad I found this one. Don't have a truly up to date measure of it at the moment (will get one in a couple of weeks when I have my MOT at the gym) so for the time being I have put my measurements in. Fiddling with different figures for the activity (as my routine varies a little bit) has me coming out with a TDEE of between 2150 and 2421 so still have a little way to go to get my calories up to this point. Have been managing 2080 for the last few days so *shouldn't* be too hard to get there.0