You have finished C25K, now what?
rduhlir
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As that graduation dates draws closer, and you put more and more miles upon your feet, you start to wonder...
"Where am I going to go from here?"
You have endless possibilities...here are a few of them:
1. Continue on to B210K.
This continues where C25K leaves off. Many will look at the schedule and think, "Wait...I just ran 30 minutes. Why is it making me walk again?" The simple answer, is that walking is another training tool for runners. It is a beginner's mentality that you should run, run, run. Many fail to see one of the biggest reasons you walked in C25K. While part of it was to help you recover, and give you short little breaks of walks, another reason for those walks was to get time on your feet. Take this article from running coach Jeff Galloway:
http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/walk_breaks.html
He states:
2. Build your weekly mileage base.
By the end of Week 9, most people are averaging 7-9 miles a week. By building on to that base you are incorporating the beginning runners ultimate speed increase strategy....adding more miles. Did you happen to notice that by the end of C25K you could possibly run slightly faster on the longer running sets than from the beginning (by longer I mean 8 minutes and up). This is because for beginner runners, the longer you run the faster you will end up running.
http://www.davidhays.net/running/buildingbase.html
The website above provides a basic mileage building program that some can easily shift to from C25K.
The two programs above are only a sample of the possibilities that you can do. Remember, don't stop pushing yourself at the end. Strive for more and you will find yourself accomplishing feats you never thought possible.
Enjoy, and happy running!
"Where am I going to go from here?"
You have endless possibilities...here are a few of them:
1. Continue on to B210K.
This continues where C25K leaves off. Many will look at the schedule and think, "Wait...I just ran 30 minutes. Why is it making me walk again?" The simple answer, is that walking is another training tool for runners. It is a beginner's mentality that you should run, run, run. Many fail to see one of the biggest reasons you walked in C25K. While part of it was to help you recover, and give you short little breaks of walks, another reason for those walks was to get time on your feet. Take this article from running coach Jeff Galloway:
http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/walk_breaks.html
He states:
By using muscles in different ways from the beginning, your legs keep their bounce as they conserve resources. When a muscle group, such as your calf, is used continuously step by step, it fatigues relatively soon. The weak areas get overused and force you to slow down later or scream at you in pain afterward. By shifting back and forth between walking and running muscles, you distribute the workload among a variety of muscles, increasing your overall performance capacity. For veteran marathoners, this is often the difference between achieving a time goal or not.
Walk breaks will significantly speed up recovery because there is less damage to repair. The early walk breaks erase fatigue, and the later walk breaks will reduce or eliminate overuse muscle breakdown.
2. Build your weekly mileage base.
By the end of Week 9, most people are averaging 7-9 miles a week. By building on to that base you are incorporating the beginning runners ultimate speed increase strategy....adding more miles. Did you happen to notice that by the end of C25K you could possibly run slightly faster on the longer running sets than from the beginning (by longer I mean 8 minutes and up). This is because for beginner runners, the longer you run the faster you will end up running.
http://www.davidhays.net/running/buildingbase.html
The website above provides a basic mileage building program that some can easily shift to from C25K.
The two programs above are only a sample of the possibilities that you can do. Remember, don't stop pushing yourself at the end. Strive for more and you will find yourself accomplishing feats you never thought possible.
Enjoy, and happy running!
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Brilliant! Succinct and thorough.0
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Thank you! This was perfectly timed. I just did my 30mins of running today for the first time and amazed myself by managing it fine. But then I was thinking 'and now what?'. You just answered that for me! Thank you!!0
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Thanks for this, I'm going to finish my second C25k next week, because I lost momentum without any clear goals afterwards. These are great options!0
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Congrats again to all the new graduates. Sorry there are no physical diplomas and no anthem to march to, other than the screaming cheers of fans that line the finish lines of the races you will be attending. Now that you have passed on from novice to beginner, there are some terms you should become familiar with as you continue on with your training. Whether you chose to do Bridge to 10K or decide to improve your speed on 5Ks, these are terms you will find when you browse the many training plans that are available to you.
Fartlek> Builds Speed and Pace
It's true: fartlek is almost as fun to do as it is to say. "Fartlek" is Swedish for "speed play" and consists of bursts of speed in the middle of a training run. Essentially, it's an unstructured interval session, the track without the rules. Fartlek gets your legs used to a variety of paces and in the process gives you an enhanced awareness of your ability to keep up those paces at various distances.
After warming up, run at an easy training pace, throwing in bursts of speed for various distances throughout the run. Vary the speed and times of the speed sections, from as short as 15 seconds to as long as two or three minutes. Between these bursts, allow yourself enough recovery time to match roughly 2/3 of the effort time. The recovery pace, though, should be faster than the recovery jog you might do during intervals on the track; keep it moving at an easy training pace.
It's a good idea to pick out a landmark -- a tree or a fire hydrant or a bend in the path -- where a speed section will end before you start picking up the pace. In other words, you have to know how far you are running for each section. Because the idea is to keep up a constant pace until you reach that landmark, it is important to pace yourself at the beginning. Don't tear off so fast that you can't keep up the pace through the end of each speed section.
A fartlek session can be as easy or as difficult as you wish to make it. Use fartlek for anything from a light recovery run to a grueling workout. As always, however, start out easy. Your first fartlek sessions should contain distances and paces that you feel comfortable with and that you feel you can gradually increase in future sessions. A twenty to thirty-minute fartlek session should be adequate for most runners. There is very little reason for them to go as long as an hour.
Intervals> Builds Speed
The track. While most elite runners get their start there, the great majority of runners came to the sport by way of local roads, sidewalks and forest paths. For the average runner, the track seems all too intimidating, almost scary. Fact is, though, the track is not simply the domain of the elites. Any runner at any level can improve her performance with a little help from the 400-meter oval. This is what intervals are about.
Interval sessions are the most formal of speed workouts in that the distances and target paces are precisely fixed before you run. The idea is to run a series of relatively short repetitions over distances from 220 yards to one mile, with rest periods of slower running in between. Because of their very nature, intervals involve a shorter period of effort than your usual run of, say, 45 minutes at a steady pace. This allows you to run much faster than you usually do, adapting your body to higher demands and your leg muscles to faster turnover. Over time, you become more physiologically efficient.
Because of the clearly measured distances, the track is an ideal place to do intervals, but some may find the never-changing scenery to be, well, maybe just a little dull. In that case, you should feel free to do your intervals on the road, using permanent landmarks to measure distance.
The various distances, as you might guess, are each best suited to runners with specific goals. The 220-yard run (1/2 lap, or 200 meters) is best for short-distance training (5K and under) to improve speed. The 440 (one lap, or 400 meters) helps improve overall conditioning at slower paces, and at faster paces is good final race preparation. The 880 (two laps, or 800 meters) is used to develop speed when training for races 10K and under and to condition form and pace when training for longer races. Finally, the mile is used most often to train for longer races, from 10K to marathon, to help improve pace judgment and overall conditioning.
Tempo Runs> Builds Speed and pace
This is hands-down the least complicated variety of speedwork. There are no distances to keep track of, no split times to remember, no hassles. All you have to do is run faster than your usual training pace, somewhere right around your 10K race pace. Unlike most speedwork which consists of relatively short bursts of high effort, tempo runs call for a single sustained effort. The result is that your body learns race economy: running at a fast pace for relatively long periods of time. Tempo runs will give your top speed a boost, too. By running nearly at race pace, your body becomes accustomed to running close to its upper limit (though not exceeding it). In doing so, you actually increase that upper limit, and you become gradually faster.
After your usual warmup routine, run at your easy training pace for at least ten minutes. Then pick up the pace. As mentioned above, this speed should be right around your 10K race pace (around 80%-85% of maximum heart rate, if you use a heart rate monitor). The time, distance and pace of your tempo run, as with all phases of your running, depends on both your ability and your goals. For the distance you choose (3 and 5 miles are popular tempo distances), find a pace that is not so fast that you cannot sustain it for the distance, but not so slow that you do not feel challenged toward the end. Tempo runs should be tough, but not impossible. Depending on how you feel on any given day, how much spring is in your legs, and how far you are running, your tempo pace may vary from session to session. That's fine. The consistency that counts is the pace within each session. Try to keep your speed level for the full length of each tempo run.
Don't worry too much about figuring out the exact distance of your tempo run. It's really not terribly important. Three to six miles is probably a good range. The one value of knowing how far you are running, though, is that you are able to gauge your improvement over time. Still, this is easily done by doing most of your tempo runs on the same route. You may not know the specific distance, but you can still compare your times for that same fixed route.
Hills Build Strength
People often times think that the hills are what give you speed. Which yes, hills can help you with speed, it actually increases your strength. This in turn gives a stronger push off from the ground and can result in quicker turn over. Hills are another form of interval training, and each hill should have a form of recover after it. For example, you run a 200 yard hill at 5K pace, then walk back to start and repeat for however many times your training calls for.
Long Run Builds Endurance
This is the one thing that scares beginners the most. They get into a training routine and then see a dreaded 6 mile run at the end of the week. People forget that they can walk in this and that the pace for this is easy. This should be at the same speed as an easy or recovery run is at. Your long runs are what build up your aerobic endurance. The long runs help you to create a long distance stride and allow you time to practice using any gadgets you get. For example, you bought a new jogging bottle...do not use it race day without having practiced with it first! Same with water stations....you can practice running and gulping, especially if you are like me and either end up with a shower or end up drowning as you inhale at the same time you try to swallow. Yeah, yeah, laugh it up.
There you go, a short and easy break down of what all those things mean when you see a training routine. Ultimately your biggest tool that will help you improve will be distance and time. The longer you run the better you will get. Enjoy and happy running!0 -
Good info! Today I do my first interval session and then some hill climbs on Thursday. After that it's a short run on Saturday followed by a long run on Sunday. That'll be my weekly pattern for the next two months, building up a little each week.0
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Moderator, please pin this thread. This is good stuff! Thanks!0
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Intermediate 5K Plan
This is for those who already run regularly and are looking to impove time.
Week One:
Monday: 3 miles plus 5 X strides
Tuesday: Rest
Wednesday: 4 miles plus 5 X strides
Thursday: Rest
Friday: 4 miles plus 5 X strides
Saturday: 2-3 miles; 15 minute core workout
Week Two:
Monday: 3 miles plus 5 X strides
Tuesday: Rest
Wednesday: 4 miles with 2 X 5 min at SS intensity; 15 minute core workout
Thursday: Rest
Friday: 3 miles plus 5 X strides
Saturday: 5-6 miles, plus 15 minute core workout
Sunday: Rest
Week Three:
Monday: 3 miles plus 6 X strides
Tuesday: Rest
Wednesday: 4 miles with 3 X 5 min at SS intensity, 15 minute core workout
Thursday: Rest
Friday: 3 miles plus 6 X strides
Saturday: 6 miles with the last 15 min at SS intensity, 15 minute core workout
Sunday: Rest
Week Four:
Monday: 3 miles plus 6 X strides
Tuesday: Rest
Wednesday: 4 miles with 2 X 10 minutes at SS intensity, 15 minute core workout
Thursday: Rest
Friday: 3 miles plus 5 X strides
Saturday: 6 miles with the last 15 minutes at SS intensity, 15 minute core workout
Sunday: Rest
Week Five:
Monday: 3 miles plus 4 X strides
Tuesday: Rest
Wednesday: 3 miles and 15 minute core workout
Thursday: Rest
Friday: 2 miles
Saturday: 2 miles plus 3 X strides
Sunday: Race Day
Intermediate Plan Key:
Weekly Mileage: Expect where noted, weekly mileage should be run at perceived effort (PE) of 6 out of 10 (10 being the fastest as you could go).
Strides: After completing the run, run hard for 20 seconds and recover with easy jogging or walking for 45 seconds.
Core Workout: Do a series of basic exercises to strengthen core muscles and improve posture.
SS Intensity: Intervals at Steady State Intensity should be run at a PE of 7 or 8. Do five minutes of easy running between SS intervals.
Runner's World Complete Guild to Running0 -
Couch to Half Marathon
Week #1 Mon: 2A Tues: Off Wed: 2A Thurs: Off Fri: Off Sat: 2A Sun: Off Total: 6
Week #2 Mon: 2B Tues: Off Wed: 2B Thurs: Off Fri: Off Sat: 2B Sun: Off Total: 6
Week #3 Mon: 2C Tues: Off Wed: 2C Thrus: Off Fri: Off Sat: 2C Sun: Off Total: 6
Week #4 Mon: 2D Tues: Off Wed: 2D Thurs: Off Fri: Off Sat: 3E Sun: Off Total: 7
Week #5 Mon: 2F Tues: Off Wed: 2F Thrus: Off Fri: Off Sat: 3G Sun: Off Total: 7
Week #6 Mon: 3G Tues: Off Wed: 3G Thurs: Off Fri: 2F Sat: 3H Sun: Off Total: 11
Week #7 Mon: 3H Tues: Off Wed: 3H Thurs: Off Fri: 3G Sat: 4I Sun: Off Total: 13
Week #8 Mon: 3H Tues: Off Wed: 2 Thurs: Off Fri: 3H Sat: 4I Sun: Off Total: 12
Week #9 Mon: 2 Tues: Off Wed: 3J Thurs: Off Fri: 2 Sat: 5K Sun: Off Total: 12
Week #10 Mon: 2.5 Tues: Off Wed: 3J Thurs: Off Fri: 2.5 Sat: 5K Sun: Off Total: 13
Week #11 Mon: 2.5 Tues: Off Wed: 4L Thurs: Off Fri: 2.5 Sat: 5K Sun: Off Total: 14
Week #12 Mon: 2 Tues: Off Wed: 3 Thurs: Off Fri: 2 Sat: 5M Sun: Off Total: 12
Week #13 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 4N Thurs: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 6O Sun: Off Total: 16
Week #14 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 4N Thrus: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 6O Sun: Off Total: 16
Week #15 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 4N Thurs: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 7P Sun: Off Total: 17
Week #16 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 4N Thrus: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 7P Sun: Off Total: 17
Week #17 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 4N Thurs: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 8Q Sun: Off Total: 18
Week #18 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 5R Thurs: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 8Q Sun: Off Total: 19
Week #19 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 5R Thurs: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 9S Sun: Off Total: 20
Week #20 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 6T Thrus: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 9S Sun: Off Total: 21
Week #21 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 6T Thurs: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 10U Sun: Off Total: 22
Week #22 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 8V Thrus: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 10U Sun: Off Total: 24
Week #23 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 6T Thurs: Off Fri: 3 Sat: 12W Sun: Off Total: 24
Week #24 Mon: 3 Tues: Off Wed: 3 Thurs: Off Fri: Off Sat: 2 Sun: 13.1 (Race) Total: 21.1
INSTRUCTIONS
A: Warm up with a 5 minute walk, then jog 30 seconds and walk 60 seconds until you’ve gone 2 miles.
B: Warm up with a 5 minute walk, then jog 60 seconds and walk 90 seconds until you’ve gone 2 miles.
C: Warm up with a 5 minute walk, then jog 90 seconds and walk 90 seconds until you’ve gone 2 miles.
Jog 90 seconds and walk 60 seconds until you’ve gone 2 miles
E: Jog 90 seconds and walk 60 seconds until you’ve gone 3 miles
F: Jog ¼ mile, walk ¼ mile – repeat 3 more times for a total of 2 miles.
G: Jog ¼ mile, walk ¼ mile – repeat 5 more times for a total of 3 miles.
H: Jog ½ mile, walk ¼ mile – repeat 3 more times for a total of 3 miles.
I: Jog ¾ mile, walk ¼ mile – repeat 3 more times for a total of 4 miles.
J: Run 1 mile, rest 3 minutes – repeat 2 more times for a total of 3 miles.
K: Jog ¾ mile, walk ¼ mile – repeat 4 more times for a total of 5 miles.
L: Run 1 mile, rest 3 minutes – repeat 3 more times for a total of 4 miles.
M: Jog 1 mile, walk ¼ mile – repeat 3 more times for a total of 5 miles.
N: Run 2 miles, rest 3 minutes – repeat 1 more time for a total of 4 miles.
O: Jog 1 mile and walk 1 minute until you’ve completed 6 miles.
P: Jog 1 mile and walk 1 minute until you’ve completed 7 miles.
Q: Jog 1 mile and walk 1 minute until you’ve completed 8 miles.
R: Run 1 mile, rest 2 minutes – repeat 4 more times for a total of 5 miles.
S: Jog 1 mile and walk 1 minute until you’ve completed 9 miles.
T: Run 2 miles, rest 2 minutes – repeat 2 more times for a total of 6 miles.
U: Jog 1 mile and walk 1 minute until you’ve completed 10 miles.
V: Run 2 miles and rest 3 minutes – repeat 3 more times for a total of 8 miles.
W: Jog 1 mile and walk 1 minute until you’ve completed 12 miles.2 -
I use Zen Labs C210K trainer. It is exactly the same as their C25K trainer for the first part but continues to a 10K all in the same app. I'm loving it and I have somewhere to go after C25K. My intent is to increase speed and endurance from this.0
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The Runner's World beginners page has a lot of great info, including plans to increase distance and speed after you are able to run 5k:
http://www.runnersworld.com/the-starting-line
Additionally, there is a supportive community of beginners and experts for any questions you might have. The Newbie Chronicles, by Mark Parent are inspirational gold as well.0 -
I need more time to digest this...but this thread is gold!0
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So GLAD i found this group and thread!
Just finishing C25K ( yes it feels great!)
but my problem is speed
at the beginning I took some advice to go as slow as I needed to, and I now am jogging ( I feel fraudulent calling it running )
at a very very slow rate. so slwo i can't even say it out loud!
So time to pick up the speed, want to do a real 5k in the fall and don't want to be the one closing and locking the door at the end lol0 -
You are running. Don't doubt yourself. You will pick up speed the more you run. Newbie gains are awesome. I think I went from 15 minute miles to 12:30s in a couple of months after C25k. I then dropped another minute before summer got started and I got slower.
Don't worry about your time. I finished my first 5k in 40 minutes. Bttrthnvr finished faster, was dead last, and MEDALED in her age group (and she's only 38). However, her town seems to be filled with really competitive runners. Most 5ks/fun runs are about 25% walkers, so you should be fine as long at a finish time isn't posted (for instance, the half marathon I'm doing closes the course after 2 and a half hours so the marathoners have room to come through.)
If you want to start working on speed, a great strategy is to train for a 10k (and to join us over on the Bridge to 10k message board).0 -
Thank you! I just finished the 9 weeks in July and have just been running 3x weekly. I am glad I joined this group! hope it helps to keep me motivated!0
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An article on the NHS website:
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/c25k/Pages/life-after-couch-to-5k.aspx0 -
I started C25K in April and took three months to get semi-ready for my first 5k. My first time was 47 minutes and I did another one last weekend at 44 minutes. :happy: I almost quit running after the first one because I didn't have any goals set for afterward. This time I recovered quickly and I've already started the Gateway to 8K....Problem is, I can't find any 8K races. I looked on the websites for Runner's World and Active but didn't see anything. I enjoy running and want to keep up but I'm not convinced I want to spend the time training for super long runs.
I thought about just working on improving time...but I think my body is built for long and slow rather than fast and short.0 -
Congratulations on beating your PR! You should shoot for 10K. Really, what's one more mile after you can run 5? There are lots of races at the 10K distance (at least in my area). I know what you mean about long and slow...I feel the same way about myself, so I am currently working toward 10K. :-)0
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Google 8k races, you can pull up stuff that's on Active that you can't find with their search. But, really, an extra mile is 15 more minutes at the most.0
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Thanks! I didn't realize it was only a mile more. I'll look into the training programs.0
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Just wondering what program you would suggest for someone who finished C25K but isn't able to complete 5k in the 30 min run? Another round of C25K or just my own thing? I'm really slow and so far haven't been able to run for longer than 30 mins. Should I just keep adding minutes or should I restart the program and go faster?
ETA...I finished a couple of weeks ago and haven't gone past 30 mins or any faster. I think I'd do much better with preset goals similar to C25K pushing me to do better. But I'm new to all this so maybe it just takes more time.0 -
Most people aren't running 5k in the 30 minutes at the end of the C25K timed version. Some options:
1) 5 to 10k timed versions app or podcast (and you most likely won't be doing 10k by the end of this either, but you will be doing 5k+)
2) A 5k improver plan -- there are 5k improver apps and google Hal Higdon training for his 5k intermediate and advanced options or just 5k improver plans
3) repeat the C25K in it's distance form
4) Do Hal Higdon's 10k Novice training plan
5) Go onto Running World and invest in their smart coach plan with your exact goals in mind
6) Keep slowly increasing your running time each week, for all runs very slowly, or do 30 minutes for two runs and increase on one run a little more.
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I continued C25K with the 10K trainer App.
I just did Week 13 Day 3 of 10K trainer which had 2 30 min sessions and 11 min of walking and I only went 5 miles.
I am not able to do 10 min miles but am improving.
My first 5K Race was 11 months ago at 40:10 last Saturday I did one at 33:18.
Just keep on keeping on.
I have not done a 10K yet I do have a 5 Miler planned for my birthday later this month.
I have some knee and achiles issues and have to rest 4 days a week.
After completing 10K Trainer I plan on continuing with the Half Marathon Training and hopefully will be doing 10K's this next year.0 -
Just wondering what program you would suggest for someone who finished C25K but isn't able to complete 5k in the 30 min run? Another round of C25K or just my own thing? I'm really slow and so far haven't been able to run for longer than 30 mins. Should I just keep adding minutes or should I restart the program and go faster?
ETA...I finished a couple of weeks ago and haven't gone past 30 mins or any faster. I think I'd do much better with preset goals similar to C25K pushing me to do better. But I'm new to all this so maybe it just takes more time.
What motivates you? Why do you run? The answer to that can help you decide how to proceed.
I kept adding distance (without regard to time) until I could run 5K. Just finishing a 5K race was my goal. My first time running the 5K distance (not in a race) it took me 41 minutes. I ran my first 5K race a month later in 36:20.
I actually found that I just love the sense of accomplishment running gives me. (That and the 50+ pounds I've lost!) I floundered around without a concrete plan for a while after accomplishing my 5K race goal. I thought I had to decide whether I wanted to try to get faster or run farther? Then I learned that the two weren't mutually exclusive. Running longer distances makes you faster at shorter distances. The best thing a new runner can do is to just keep gradually building up miles run per week. (But don't add them on too rapidly. Only add 10% more distance a week). I finally landed on a Hal Higdon 10K plan. Last night I ran 5 miles (without any walking) for the first time. I'm working toward 10K (6.2 miles) in three more weeks. :-)0 -
I am on week 6 of the c25k. I am loving it so far. I am planning on doing the Savannah Bridge run in November, this will be my first race.0
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Week 6! Great job!
That sounds like a challenging run. Bridge=hill and you're doing it twice? Wow!0 -
Thanks for the info! I am finishing C25K soon and I have already downloaded a 10K app. I'm thinking of working through the 10K program at a slower pace than it suggests, doing it once a week while incorporating sprint intervals and hill training into my 5K runs. I don't plan to do any races at this point. My goal when starting C25K was to be able to run 30 minutes straight. And now that I'm almost done, my new goal is to increase until I can run 60 minutes straight. This thread is so helpful, thanks again!0
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Thanks for the info! I am finishing C25K soon and I have already downloaded a 10K app. I'm thinking of working through the 10K program at a slower pace than it suggests, doing it once a week while incorporating sprint intervals and hill training into my 5K runs. I don't plan to do any races at this point. My goal when starting C25K was to be able to run 30 minutes straight. And now that I'm almost done, my new goal is to increase until I can run 60 minutes straight. This thread is so helpful, thanks again!
A better option would be to bring in the speed work/hills once a week, alternating, with 2 easy runs and then working on your long run. You actually don't want to do too much speed too soon as your legs are still adjusting skeletally (bones and ligaments). And for the speed work, look for a public track or do it cross country. Speed work on concrete or asphalt is a big no-no. Try to at least maintain a 3 day a week running schedule, anything less and you can actually start hurting the running endurance that you just created.0 -
Oh I see! Thanks for the extra tips!0
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