S glad I'm not American. Who would want to live such a selfish life that you don't want people being paid enough to surivive?

And I but most of you call yourselves Christians too. Interesting to see your faces when your God casts you to he'll for ignoring everything that he put down.

I think perhaps that YOU should learn your Scripture before you go around babbling this sort of drivel.

Proverbs 12:24
Proverbs 13:4
2 Thessalonians 3:10-12
Matthew 25:14-30

The Bible is rife with advocating hard work and diligence and warns that those who are not will end up in poverty.

Sheesh, even an atheist knows this.

While what you are saying here is true the bible is also rife with scriptures claiming that we should give not care for tomorrow. Whatever we ask in faith we shall receive. Prayer is infinitely more important than our works. Since Jesus himself said some of these things I can see how one could come to the conclusion that our hardest of work is meaningless compared to the fruits that we could harvest by focusing on prayer instead.

S glad I'm not American. Who would want to live such a selfish life that you don't want people being paid enough to surivive?

And I but most of you call yourselves Christians too. Interesting to see your faces when your God casts you to he'll for ignoring everything that he put down.

I think perhaps that YOU should learn your Scripture before you go around babbling this sort of drivel.

Proverbs 12:24
Proverbs 13:4
2 Thessalonians 3:10-12
Matthew 25:14-30

The Bible is rife with advocating hard work and diligence and warns that those who are not will end up in poverty.

Sheesh, even an atheist knows this.

While what you are saying here is true the bible is also rife with scriptures claiming that we should give not care for tomorrow. Whatever we ask in faith we shall receive. Prayer is infinitely more important than our works. Since Jesus himself said some of these things I can see how one could come to the conclusion that our hardest of work is meaningless compared to the fruits that we could harvest by focusing on prayer instead.

Soldier,

I really don't want to see another "debating" group thread unravel into a religious debate with you as the champion of the "anti-Christian" view. But I do have to say that I believe you have grossly misinterpretted the bible.

Husky,

I really don't want to see another thread get riddled with a bunch of vacuous responses explaining to me the importance of ignoring evidence with you as the champion for "Faith is evidence" view but I think you have grossly misinterpretted the bible.

Just because you have rose colored glasses on and you choose to see everything in there from the condoning to slavery to the marginalizing of women as actually being something good doesn't mean that I am the one with the problem.

Furthermore I have not derailed any of the debating threads with my views on religion. "Why does god hate amputees" was about religion long before I ever made my first post. The same is true of "Why there is no Freewill" You might not like the rails that the conversations were already on but that isn't my fault. I threw down the gauntlet with "You set the bar too high." but that was my thread and I started the conversation. I have not "derailed" anything.

I am not sitting around waiting for people to make faith based claims so I can jump at them. "Capital Punishment" was also my topic and religion never came up so it was never discussed even though a topic like that is prime fodder for the religious to sink their teeth in to. That said I have no intention of backing down when the faithful raise their flag and go charging in to a debate.

I don't ever see you complain when someone says the solution to a problem is prayer or the cause of a problem is out lack of allegiance to god but you do have a problem with me when I gainsay those claims. If you don't want people like me to point out the obvious logical holes in religion then you should talk to your fellow believers and not me. You could tell your fellow believers that they are derailing the conversation by talking about faith based claims in the affirmative.

I know you won't do that because in your mind I am the problem and not those that advocate faith.

S glad I'm not American. Who would want to live such a selfish life that you don't want people being paid enough to surivive?

And I but most of you call yourselves Christians too. Interesting to see your faces when your God casts you to he'll for ignoring everything that he put down.

I think perhaps that YOU should learn your Scripture before you go around babbling this sort of drivel.

Proverbs 12:24
Proverbs 13:4
2 Thessalonians 3:10-12
Matthew 25:14-30

The Bible is rife with advocating hard work and diligence and warns that those who are not will end up in poverty.

Sheesh, even an atheist knows this.

While what you are saying here is true the bible is also rife with scriptures claiming that we should give not care for tomorrow. Whatever we ask in faith we shall receive. Prayer is infinitely more important than our works. Since Jesus himself said some of these things I can see how one could come to the conclusion that our hardest of work is meaningless compared to the fruits that we could harvest by focusing on prayer instead.

Soldier,

I really don't want to see another "debating" group thread unravel into a religious debate with you as the champion of the "anti-Christian" view. But I do have to say that I believe you have grossly misinterpretted the bible.

Husky,

I really don't want to see another thread get riddled with a bunch of vacuous responses explaining to me the importance of ignoring evidence with you as the champion for "Faith is evidence" view but I think you have grossly misinterpretted the bible.

Just because you have rose colored glasses on and you choose to see everything in there from the condoning to slavery to the marginalizing of women as actually being something good doesn't mean that I am the one with the problem.

Furthermore I have not derailed any of the debating threads with my views on religion. "Why does god hate amputees" was about religion long before I ever made my first post. The same is true of "Why there is no Freewill" You might not like the rails that the conversations were already on but that isn't my fault. I threw down the gauntlet with "You set the bar too high." but that was my thread and I started the conversation. I have not "derailed" anything.

I am not sitting around waiting for people to make faith based claims so I can jump at them. "Capital Punishment" was also my topic and religion never came up so it was never discussed even though a topic like that is prime fodder for the religious to sink their teeth in to. That said I have no intention of backing down when the faithful raise their flag and go charging in to a debate.

I don't ever see you complain when someone says the solution to a problem is prayer or the cause of a problem is out lack of allegiance to god but you do have a problem with me when I gainsay those claims. If you don't want people like me to point out the obvious logical holes in religion then you should talk to your fellow believers and not me. You could tell your fellow believers that they are derailing the conversation by talking about faith based claims in the affirmative.

I know you won't do that because in your mind I am the problem and not those that advocate faith.

Multiple threads seem to get derailed here, maybe not purposely by you, but you certainly do not fail to contend with any faith-based response.

And you do not fail to defend faith based claims. It is certainly fortunate that we have a group here where we can both exist. I guarantee the general forums will lock down any thread that dare to advocate either side of a religious debate. Or any other debate that contains a topic of real significance.

Since you believe that there are an abundance of threads which I have derailed please list a few of them for me and I will read through them. If you could go so far as to tell me exactly where I derailed it then that would be appreciated by not required.

Why can't you let people just believe what they want to believe? Why must you respond in direct contention at all? You could keep your non-faith-based responses directed at the OP's question, and completely avoid turning a labor dispute thread into a contextual religious showdown.

I did not openly accuse you of derailing any threads... only that you participate in the execution of them.

I didn't make $15 an hour for jobs that required a college education.

And how many people are working entry level fast food jobs (I know there are SOME, but is it a vast majority?) to take care of families? Aren't a lot of them high school and college kids?

Where I live there are a good amount of adults that work at the fast food restaurants. That said, it's not that they don't deserve more money, but it just doesn't make sense as you already pointed out that people with college educations don't even always make $15 an hour right now.

Oh, I make more than that now. But I had to work my way to it. I had minimum wage, unskilled labor jobs while working on my education, then went out into the full-time workforce. I made $10 an hour at my very first full-time job, that did not require a degree. Then decided to pursue journalism (talk about underpaid). I started at $8 an hour at my first newspaper job. I probably would have made more at McDonald's. lol

And I think the fast food industry likes to promote from within so some of the burger flippers can work up to management and the managers do very well.

If they want to make more money, they should work on moving up in the world and not staying in those jobs.

(Edited because I made a terrible -- typo? -- and I am an editor and need to be worthy of MY salary! lol)

I completely agree. Most of us had to start somewhere. In my case, my first job paid $4.25/hr. I have bust my *kitten* to get where I am today and don't regret all of the hard work and sacrifice it took me to get there.

These are some of the most profitable corporations around. Just wondering why the employees, many of whom are now having to rely on these jobs as full time, family supporting employment, shouldn't be paid a little more?

I have a question for those who are against a "living wage" (not sure where I fall on this yet). A major point for these is that they are jobs meant for unskilled workers. Do you support government funds going toward establishing programs to teach the unskilled workers skills so that they can find viable employment?