21 day test
chirpinggalaxy
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Have you seen the 21 day/LCHF challenge?
http://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet
Basically, he ate 5,800 calories of LCHF for 21 days. He gained 3.5 pounds, but lost 3 cm on his waist. He defied the calories in/out knowledge by only gaining 3.5 pounds instead of the anticipated 16.5 they thought he would gain. Now he's doing another challenge: 5,800 carb-heavy calories per day. He's just now beginning it...should be interesting.
http://www.dietdoctor.com/happens-eat-5800-calories-carbohydrate-rich-junk-food-daily
I think I would have been more satisfied had he eaten more "healthy" carbs such as more fruit and oatmeal and such, but then I remembered that a good portion of society actually eats this way, or in ways similar. It'll be interesting to see what only 3 weeks does too his body, both inside and out. He plans to go on a maintenance level of lchf after his 21 carb-laden days, and should stay the same weight, assuming calories in/out is the only thing that matters. Of course, we actually know he will lose most, if not all of whatever weight he gains going back on LCHF, but he's pushing conventional wisdom on this test. This will be very interesting to watch.
http://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet
Basically, he ate 5,800 calories of LCHF for 21 days. He gained 3.5 pounds, but lost 3 cm on his waist. He defied the calories in/out knowledge by only gaining 3.5 pounds instead of the anticipated 16.5 they thought he would gain. Now he's doing another challenge: 5,800 carb-heavy calories per day. He's just now beginning it...should be interesting.
http://www.dietdoctor.com/happens-eat-5800-calories-carbohydrate-rich-junk-food-daily
I think I would have been more satisfied had he eaten more "healthy" carbs such as more fruit and oatmeal and such, but then I remembered that a good portion of society actually eats this way, or in ways similar. It'll be interesting to see what only 3 weeks does too his body, both inside and out. He plans to go on a maintenance level of lchf after his 21 carb-laden days, and should stay the same weight, assuming calories in/out is the only thing that matters. Of course, we actually know he will lose most, if not all of whatever weight he gains going back on LCHF, but he's pushing conventional wisdom on this test. This will be very interesting to watch.
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Have you seen the 21 day/LCHF challenge?
http://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet
Basically, he ate 5,800 calories of LCHF for 21 days. He gained 3.5 pounds, but lost 3 cm on his waist. He defied the calories in/out knowledge by only gaining 3.5 pounds instead of the anticipated 16.5 they thought he would gain. Now he's doing another challenge: 5,800 carb-heavy calories per day. He's just now beginning it...should be interesting.
http://www.dietdoctor.com/happens-eat-5800-calories-carbohydrate-rich-junk-food-daily
I think I would have been more satisfied had he eaten more "healthy" carbs such as more fruit and oatmeal and such, but then I remembered that a good portion of society actually eats this way, or in ways similar. It'll be interesting to see what only 3 weeks does too his body, both inside and out. He plans to go on a maintenance level of lchf after his 21 carb-laden days, and should stay the same weight, assuming calories in/out is the only thing that matters. Of course, we actually know he will lose most, if not all of whatever weight he gains going back on LCHF, but he's pushing conventional wisdom on this test. This will be very interesting to watch.
fruit and oatmeal are high in carbs :blushing:
eta: I thought that once a person had been keto adapted, dietary fat is burned in a proprietary fashion vs. stored fat...of which, this fella doesn't look like he has much. I read the article & maybe I'm missing something, but I wasn't surprised by the outcome either.0 -
fruit and oatmeal are high in carbs :blushing:
What I meant was I'd have been happier if he did the high carb testing if he ate SAD "healthy" carbs. I'm well aware oatmeal and fruit are high in carbs.0 -
fruit and oatmeal are high in carbs :blushing:
What I meant was I'd have been happier if he did the high carb testing if he ate SAD "healthy" carbs. I'm well aware oatmeal and fruit are high in carbs.
I agree...I think by him eating a lot of junky foods it will not be as compelling as if he gained weight only on whole grains, high carb dairy, and fruit.0 -
Again, unless I'm missing something, the site listed advocates LCHF. It's well known that the combination of high fat + carbs = weight gain and depending on the individual, health issues.
Why would the person in the experiment eat 'mainstream' (SAD diet) foods? I'm missing something here aren't I? :laugh:0 -
Again, unless I'm missing something, the site listed advocates LCHF. It's well known that the combination of high fat + carbs = weight gain and depending on the individual, health issues.
Why would the person in the experiment eat 'mainstream' (SAD diet) foods? I'm missing something here aren't I? :laugh:
He's trying to refute the "a calorie is a calorie" theory. He already did the same 21 day test with the same calorie load, but LC HF. He gained just under 3 pounds in that time, but lost 3 cm on his waist. So now he's repeating this with LF HC. If a calorie is a calorie, he should see the same results. But we know that's not what's going to happen.0 -
Again, unless I'm missing something, the site listed advocates LCHF. It's well known that the combination of high fat + carbs = weight gain and depending on the individual, health issues.
Why would the person in the experiment eat 'mainstream' (SAD diet) foods? I'm missing something here aren't I? :laugh:
He's trying to refute the "a calorie is a calorie" theory. He already did the same 21 day test with the same calorie load, but LC HF. He gained just under 3 pounds in that time, but lost 3 cm on his waist. So now he's repeating this with LF HC. If a calorie is a calorie, he should see the same results. But we know that's not what's going to happen.
ahhhhh. Now I get it :laugh:
I can be a little slow on the uptake there :blushing:
Thanks for the explanation0 -
I agree...I think by him eating a lot of junky foods it will not be as compelling as if he gained weight only on whole grains, high carb dairy, and fruit.
The purpose of the experiment is to test "a calorie is a calorie". That might make an interesting 3rd experiment, to repeat LF HC but use different carb sources to show if it does indeed matter if it's "junk" or "healthy grains". But right now, that's not the purpose of the experiment.0 -
This is an awesome experiment. I agree I would profer the high carb diet to have been tons of grains and fruit.0
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His Day 5 update:Day 5, and I am 91.9kg before breakfast which is 2.6kg up from my start AM weight. Last night I was 92.6kg making my mean for Day 4, 91.95kg, which is 0.9kg above the calorie formula prediction! My waist measurement this morning was 81.5cm which is 3.5cm up from my day 1 AM measurement. Last night I was 83cm giving me a mean waist of 82cm for day 4, which is 2.5cm up from the start.
Interesting.0 -
I had been posting stuff for a while now with studies to back up being able to lose body fat and build muscle in a caloric surplus. No one ever responded to me, hahaha.
If people thought about it here for more than a second, they'd realize a calorie can't be equivalent to another calorie if it's a different macronutrient. Gotta take into account insulin response, ghrelin, leptin, and other hormones and neurotransmitters. Fat and protein don't have a high insulin response like some carbohydrates do, and stimulate chemical signals in the body in other ways as well. Heck, even different fats have different effects. It should be plain to see if you think about it, but it's not the information we were provided as we were growing up and learning, so it's just not commonly accepted or critically thought about.0 -
He's 15 days in now and seems to have plateaued a bit. He's overall up just over 10 pounds (4.6kg) and up 2 3/4" in his waist (7cm).
http://live.smashthefat.com/5000-calorie-carb-challenge-day-15/0 -
More graphical explanations work better for me. His video is pretty well done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gtRxh8eEWw0
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The video in the previous post is pretty amazing. I "know" the science behind it, but this helped me "see" it better.0
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His day 21 results - http://live.smashthefat.com/5000-calorie-carb-challenge-day-21/0
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