I can now officially show the numbers! :)

Dragonwolf
Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
edited February 5 in Social Groups
Unfortunately, I don't currently have my "before" numbers (I need to see if I can get them from my old doctor), but my new doctor took the liberty of including a lipid panel with my last blood test for PCOS/hyperinsulinemia (largely due to the fact that PCOS can also raise trigs).

I left the paperwork in the car, so I can't post them here right now (I will once I get them again, and will also update with the old numbers once I get my hands on them), but all of my numbers are optimal or nearly so! \o/ And this after being at least 80/20 Primal since January. I get another test done in February, and since I've seen some immediate results from being more strict during September, as well as when I backed off some the last week or two, I'm going to try to do more of what I did during September and see where my numbers are at then.

(As an aside - I also found that my fasting insulin levels, while better than last time, are still on the high side, so moving to at least 90/10 Primal and keeping an eye on my carbs should help work with the Metformin.)

ETA - Grabbed my current numbers:

Total: 170
Trigs: 80
HDL: 48
LDL: 106

Non HDL Chol: 122
Chol/HDL Ratio: 3.5

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  • Akimajuktuq
    Akimajuktuq Posts: 3,037 Member
    You haven't found that your diet (when carbs are carefully limited) has resolved Type 2 diabetes and eliminated the need for pharmaceuticals? I'm a bit surprised. I hadn't quite crossed the diabetic threshold when I changed my lifestyle but I was very darn close; in fact, if I had gone to the doctor then I think I might have been diagnosed (I was already boycotting our local "health" professionals before changing my lifestyle). As it was, I was diagnosed "pre-diabetic" some time before. I have totally healed myself with diet, but still after 15 months must be very careful with fruit/sugar.
  • jenn26point2
    jenn26point2 Posts: 429 Member
    Great numbers! It'll be interesting to see the old numbers in comparison if you're able to get them.

    Reference the glucose reading: when I did keto and had my blood checked, my fasting glucose was 89. Prior to keto, I was always "normal", usually just over 100 (I believe 110 is "normal"). I didn't do keto for long b/c my moods didn't like it, but it definitely had an impact on my blood sugar. Maybe it's worth a shot to get your numbers closer to optimal?
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    You haven't found that your diet (when carbs are carefully limited) has resolved Type 2 diabetes and eliminated the need for pharmaceuticals? I'm a bit surprised. I hadn't quite crossed the diabetic threshold when I changed my lifestyle but I was very darn close; in fact, if I had gone to the doctor then I think I might have been diagnosed (I was already boycotting our local "health" professionals before changing my lifestyle). As it was, I was diagnosed "pre-diabetic" some time before. I have totally healed myself with diet, but still after 15 months must be very careful with fruit/sugar.

    I don't have Diabetes, but rather Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. In fact, my blood sugar is fine (88 fasting). PCOS screws with hormones, which in turn causes too high of insulin and insulin resistance. In my case, it causes Estrogen dominance, low Progesterone, and high Testosterone that so far, I haven't yet found a way to break the cycle without medication, and without being able to break that cycle, I can't really lose weight (most of my weight loss recently has been largely related to glycogen depletion/less water retention from being active on LC/HF, and a few pounds from a two-week span where I had no appetite and ate only like 1000 calories or so a day).

    There was a time last year where I was doing high-intensity workouts 5 days a week (martial arts with sparring, and powerlifting) and eating Primal (though at the time it was still a little on the higher end of carbs, but still around 100g), and still didn't lose weight. Even when my dojo closed and I switched to boxing for a time, I still didn't lose any weight. Had my trainer not had a falling out with his business partner, I probably would have made a bet with him on getting me losing weight, just to find something that might work.

    Even more recently, in September I toyed around with Mark Sisson's 21 day Primal challenge. I made sure to eat Primally without any real cheats, and did my best to stick to less than 75g of carbs and get 60% fat. While it did wonders for clearing up some eczema that I had recently developed (which I've found seems to be due to grains, since they still turn up occasionally, due to having family members that aren't wholly Primal), I still didn't lose any weight.
    Great numbers! It'll be interesting to see the old numbers in comparison if you're able to get them.

    Reference the glucose reading: when I did keto and had my blood checked, my fasting glucose was 89. Prior to keto, I was always "normal", usually just over 100 (I believe 110 is "normal"). I didn't do keto for long b/c my moods didn't like it, but it definitely had an impact on my blood sugar. Maybe it's worth a shot to get your numbers closer to optimal?

    Glucose and insulin levels are actually two different things. "Ironically" (though not really on LC/HF), my glucose was 88. It's the insulin level that's a problem. Mine's currently 18.9, which is technically "normal" (0-20 is the acceptable range), but my doctor wants it under 14, because she's found that those above it, especially with risk factors for Diabetes, do better getting it lower.
  • Dragonwolf,I would love to know what length of time you have been consistent with paleo/primal(without cheats).
    I feel a million times better but I rarely lose eating this way.
    I am losing loads of inches from lifting and running but the weight stays the same.
    I believe the reason I am not losing "weight" is because every 6 weeks to 3 months I break from paleo,eat a load of sugar and then start again.It never really lasts more than a week or 2 but was curious to here more of your non weight loss story :)
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    Dragonwolf,I would love to know what length of time you have been consistent with paleo/primal(without cheats).
    I feel a million times better but I rarely lose eating this way.
    I am losing loads of inches from lifting and running but the weight stays the same.
    I believe the reason I am not losing "weight" is because every 6 weeks to 3 months I break from paleo,eat a load of sugar and then start again.It never really lasts more than a week or 2 but was curious to here more of your non weight loss story :)

    Due to:

    1. Being the only person in my household fully Primal (hubby's getting there, but he's having a harder time cutting out wheat).
    2. People at work obsessed with bringing in bread-based goodies and in generally being wheat/carb heavy (doesn't help there are a lot of veg*ns). We have a "take me counter" that I have to walk by every time I go to get water or go to the rest room, which makes life very difficult, especially when hungry.
    3. My own humanity and being content with 80/20 ("it's not a staple, just don't have it often; I seem to be able to tolerate a little bit once in a while")

    I've only gone a couple of months entirely without "cheats." However, my "cheats" usually aren't "gorge on sugary stuff until I'm sick" or even "screw this, I'm just going to eat SAD again" or whatever. It's usually caving to a slice of pizza (hubby's a pizza fanatic and I have a hard time resisting it when it's fresh from the shop), or conceding to having a tortilla wrap instead of lettuce because the place only has shredded lettuce and I'm not in a position to eat it in salad form.

    I actually found out on the last weekend of September, when I went to my mom's and helped her with the bake sale for the local carnival, that I can do a lot better around sweets. My mom makes a number of really awesome goodies, my favorite of which being buckeyes (chocolate covered peanut butter balls). I already decided that I would let myself have some treats that weekend, in part because I knew that I'd be doing a lot to burn off whatever I ate, and I had "earned" it by being more strict both in what I ate/didn't eat (ie - all Primal) and in how I ate (ie - keep carbs down and fat up), but I also decided that I would do what I could to stick to eating the good stuff. Overall, I did well and only had a few pieces of some of the goodies, and still largely avoided the grain-based stuff (save for a wrap and the breading of some homemade cheese sticks). This is a far cry from how I used to be, where I'd raid the stash of buckeyes nearly daily in the time leading up to the carnival, and when that type of food was available, I'd eat enough to make myself sick at the end of the day/night.

    That said, I've been solving #1 slowly, but surely. Hubby's been on board with it for a while, but giving up the wheat stuff is hard for him. He's starting to see benefits of it, though, as he's cutting out the worst of what's left and minimizing the rest.

    #2 is a day-by-day thing, but I've found I can pretty much ignore just about everything as long as I'm not hungry. Primal Egg Coffee in the mornings helps tremendously with that. The hard part is the afternoon, largely because I have a hard time getting enough fat in at lunch (or sometimes just enough food, it's hard to gauge how much I'll need to eat at lunch when I'm packing it in the morning).

    #3 has pretty much solved itself the last time I had wheat and my eczema flared back up. That pretty much clinched that one for me.

    That said, I haven't had any "screw this, I'm eating SAD" type of "cheat" since last holiday season. I was dealing with a number of difficult things, including having lost my martial arts home, dealing with doctors that basically laughed at me and told me that I "just wasn't doing it right" when I asked to have the PCOS tests run again, and was frustrated at not being able to lose any weight. For about 6 weeks, I didn't really care about what I ate. I tried to keep how much reigned in, but I felt that if I was going to be miserable and not lose any weight, anyway, I might as well eat what I wanted and have the holiday treats and have one less battle to fight. I ended up gaining 20lbs in that span of time, and felt miserable by New Years.

    So, I redoubled my dietary efforts, looked for a new martial arts school, and, later in the year (after my GP dismissed what she thought was a burst cyst, instead of even considering linking it with my PCOS), found a new doctor.

    After this time, I've seen more that it's paid off in other ways, especially with going more HF/LC. My skin, which I've dealt with unrelenting acne since I was a teenager (not as severe as some, but nothing has been able to clear it up) is clearing up. It takes a while, but it's getting there. As I mentioned before, the eczema that recently developed on my hand (on the palm side, where the fingers meet the hand) and that my doctor dismissed as "contact dermatitis" (aka - "you got into something that your skin is reacting to"), but never really cleared up or stayed cleared up without the use of a corticosteroid cream, cleared up on its own and stayed that way until my last "cheat time." I also rarely have headaches anymore, where I used to have them nearly daily, and I don't need to take Tums every single night for heartburn. I call that list a win, and it's largely what keeps me going in lieu of weight loss.
  • Dragonwolf,I would love to know what length of time you have been consistent with paleo/primal(without cheats).
    I feel a million times better but I rarely lose eating this way.
    I am losing loads of inches from lifting and running but the weight stays the same.
    I believe the reason I am not losing "weight" is because every 6 weeks to 3 months I break from paleo,eat a load of sugar and then start again.It never really lasts more than a week or 2 but was curious to here more of your non weight loss story :)

    Due to:

    1. Being the only person in my household fully Primal (hubby's getting there, but he's having a harder time cutting out wheat).
    2. People at work obsessed with bringing in bread-based goodies and in generally being wheat/carb heavy (doesn't help there are a lot of veg*ns). We have a "take me counter" that I have to walk by every time I go to get water or go to the rest room, which makes life very difficult, especially when hungry.
    3. My own humanity and being content with 80/20 ("it's not a staple, just don't have it often; I seem to be able to tolerate a little bit once in a while")

    I've only gone a couple of months entirely without "cheats." However, my "cheats" usually aren't "gorge on sugary stuff until I'm sick" or even "screw this, I'm just going to eat SAD again" or whatever. It's usually caving to a slice of pizza (hubby's a pizza fanatic and I have a hard time resisting it when it's fresh from the shop), or conceding to having a tortilla wrap instead of lettuce because the place only has shredded lettuce and I'm not in a position to eat it in salad form.

    I actually found out on the last weekend of September, when I went to my mom's and helped her with the bake sale for the local carnival, that I can do a lot better around sweets. My mom makes a number of really awesome goodies, my favorite of which being buckeyes (chocolate covered peanut butter balls). I already decided that I would let myself have some treats that weekend, in part because I knew that I'd be doing a lot to burn off whatever I ate, and I had "earned" it by being more strict both in what I ate/didn't eat (ie - all Primal) and in how I ate (ie - keep carbs down and fat up), but I also decided that I would do what I could to stick to eating the good stuff. Overall, I did well and only had a few pieces of some of the goodies, and still largely avoided the grain-based stuff (save for a wrap and the breading of some homemade cheese sticks). This is a far cry from how I used to be, where I'd raid the stash of buckeyes nearly daily in the time leading up to the carnival, and when that type of food was available, I'd eat enough to make myself sick at the end of the day/night.

    That said, I've been solving #1 slowly, but surely. Hubby's been on board with it for a while, but giving up the wheat stuff is hard for him. He's starting to see benefits of it, though, as he's cutting out the worst of what's left and minimizing the rest.

    #2 is a day-by-day thing, but I've found I can pretty much ignore just about everything as long as I'm not hungry. Primal Egg Coffee in the mornings helps tremendously with that. The hard part is the afternoon, largely because I have a hard time getting enough fat in at lunch (or sometimes just enough food, it's hard to gauge how much I'll need to eat at lunch when I'm packing it in the morning).

    #3 has pretty much solved itself the last time I had wheat and my eczema flared back up. That pretty much clinched that one for me.

    That said, I haven't had any "screw this, I'm eating SAD" type of "cheat" since last holiday season. I was dealing with a number of difficult things, including having lost my martial arts home, dealing with doctors that basically laughed at me and told me that I "just wasn't doing it right" when I asked to have the PCOS tests run again, and was frustrated at not being able to lose any weight. For about 6 weeks, I didn't really care about what I ate. I tried to keep how much reigned in, but I felt that if I was going to be miserable and not lose any weight, anyway, I might as well eat what I wanted and have the holiday treats and have one less battle to fight. I ended up gaining 20lbs in that span of time, and felt miserable by New Years.

    So, I redoubled my dietary efforts, looked for a new martial arts school, and, later in the year (after my GP dismissed what she thought was a burst cyst, instead of even considering linking it with my PCOS), found a new doctor.

    After this time, I've seen more that it's paid off in other ways, especially with going more HF/LC. My skin, which I've dealt with unrelenting acne since I was a teenager (not as severe as some, but nothing has been able to clear it up) is clearing up. It takes a while, but it's getting there. As I mentioned before, the eczema that recently developed on my hand (on the palm side, where the fingers meet the hand) and that my doctor dismissed as "contact dermatitis" (aka - "you got into something that your skin is reacting to"), but never really cleared up or stayed cleared up without the use of a corticosteroid cream, cleared up on its own and stayed that way until my last "cheat time." I also rarely have headaches anymore, where I used to have them nearly daily, and I don't need to take Tums every single night for heartburn. I call that list a win, and it's largely what keeps me going in lieu of weight loss.
    Thanks for the feedback!
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