dietary ketosis vs blood ketosis
iowamoomoo
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I've been forever baffled by this question.
I can test a urine keto strip and be in the pink so that is good right?
I can then do a blood ketone test at the same time and be only at 02 or "lo"
I know one cannot compare apples to apples but I've been doing this for weeks now
and I cannot lose even one pound but not gaining either and recently dropped my calories a bit more.
I read something that said that if you eat too much fat that you cannot lose fat because your body is using that fat
instead so not sure I should lower my fat.
Currently at 5 % carbs, 15 protein and 85 fats. Some days I miss the mark on one or the other but my fats are always over 200
so I don't know what I am doing wrong? Just maybe too much fat or increase or what? any advice?
I can test a urine keto strip and be in the pink so that is good right?
I can then do a blood ketone test at the same time and be only at 02 or "lo"
I know one cannot compare apples to apples but I've been doing this for weeks now
and I cannot lose even one pound but not gaining either and recently dropped my calories a bit more.
I read something that said that if you eat too much fat that you cannot lose fat because your body is using that fat
instead so not sure I should lower my fat.
Currently at 5 % carbs, 15 protein and 85 fats. Some days I miss the mark on one or the other but my fats are always over 200
so I don't know what I am doing wrong? Just maybe too much fat or increase or what? any advice?
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Try resetting your macros to 5% carbs, 30% protein and 65% fat. Also, as long as your showing ketones, the level doesn't really matter. From looking at your diary. you may be eating too many calories. How tall are you and what's your current weight?0
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thank you for the response. I am 56 years, 5'2 and I weigh 174.
I was eating a ton more calories then I am currently. Before I ate macadamia nuts by the handful thinking all the fats were good for me and I have been told repeatedly that "calories don't count" then "calories DO count" so you see why I am so mixed up?
I started at 2600 calories and went down to 2400. I have a hard time going low on calories because even with all the fats I am hungry every 4 hours or so...I will change the macros and see what it does, thanks so much!0 -
Im not sure whether this is just MFP doing something funny or what but,you dont seem to be logging consistently.
Are you 100% sure that you are staying under your carb limit? and are you weighing things? I always assume ive eaten 10% more calories than I have regardless of me weighing everything.
Additionally. Your calories seem SOO high.. as youre a lil older you will find it harder to loose weight already.. i would suggest trying 1500cal.
Some people also find it difficult to loose with even 20g of carbs a day. Experiment and try to get your carbs <10g and see what happens.
Youve only logged 2cups of water... water is essential for this! you will also find you eat less from feeling full from all of the water.
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The macro change will up your protein limit some. Use it, it will help you keep from feeling so hungry. I would also suggest dropping your calories to around 1500. Looks to me like you're eating at maintenance, not at a deficit. I eat something about every 3 hours or so. You can check out my diary. Been doing this for 7 months now and logging daily. My variety sucks but it keeps me full. I have a food scale and I use it for everything I eat. Also, water, lots of it!0
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When I reset the macros to the suggestions you made I found my protein to be 180! That is even higher then the fat!
I should mention that I am prediabetic so it is most important to keep my protein low enough so it wont turn into glucose.
The charts recommend for my age weight and height that I do 60 grams of protein.
I just keep getting more and more confused lol0 -
I just started logging today. I was using another website before this so this is my new one here.0
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I agree with the other replies to your post. It seems you're at a good level for maintenance, calorie wise. Also, I noticed in your diary that along with keeping track of carbs, you're watching sugar not fiber. You may be able to increase your carb intake when you account for fiber. Also, don't forget to make sure you're getting enough sodium and potassium. Some people mistake the symptoms of those deficiencies as hunger. Let us know how you feel after you decide what adjustments to make :-)0
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If you lower your calorie intake to around 1500, your protein intake will be around 105 or so and fat intake will be close to it. The macro settings I gave you are standard for keto but can stand to be tweaked a little. A diet with 35% protein is unlikely to be converted to glucose but check with your doctor, not just some website. I'm at 187 and started at 245, pre-diabetic also.0
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Here's a strategy that worked for me:
1) calculate the target daily number of calories needed. I found this site has a handy calculator:
http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com
2) set your protein at about 1.5 g per kg lean body mass
3). Set your carbs to 25g max
4) the remainder calories use for fat calories
5) log your food EVERYDAY! And no cheating. Don't eat a handful of nuts and pretend it is not important to log.
6) drink plent of water, several cups per day
7). Don't eat a meal or snack where fat is absent or a minor component. For example, if you eat fruit, make sure it is accompanied with fat (peanut butter, cream, butter, etc).
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I've been forever baffled by this question.
I can test a urine keto strip and be in the pink so that is good right?
I can then do a blood ketone test at the same time and be only at 02 or "lo"
I know one cannot compare apples to apples but I've been doing this for weeks now
and I cannot lose even one pound but not gaining either and recently dropped my calories a bit more.
I read something that said that if you eat too much fat that you cannot lose fat because your body is using that fat
instead so not sure I should lower my fat.
Currently at 5 % carbs, 15 protein and 85 fats. Some days I miss the mark on one or the other but my fats are always over 200
so I don't know what I am doing wrong? Just maybe too much fat or increase or what? any advice?
Hi Hon,
You're right in that these are apples and oranges and shouldn't really be compared. But it's a good question - why would one ketone test show positive, and another indicate no ketosis?
There are 2 primary ketones produced by the body - acetoacetate (AcAc) and beta-hydroxybutyrate (B-OHB). Ketostix measure AcAc and blood ketone meters (which use different, more expensive strips than those used for blood glucose testing) measure B-OHB. The brain and (after an adaptation period of 2-3 weeks in most people) the muscles run on B-OHB and the body adapts to optimizing B-OHB production vice AcAc. That's why the Ketostix are a good measure early on (during the adaptation process) and not so indicative the longer you're in ketosis.
What does this mean? Well, it sounds like you are in the early transition stages of ketosis. At this point, you are still producing AcAc, which is registering on the urine Ketostix. You aren't registering enough B-OHB to register sufficiently on the blood ketone tester. As you reach nutritional ketosis, this should shift, with the B-OHB levels rising and the AcAc levels dropping.
Why aren't you losing? Well, unfortunately, you're just eating too much. I entered some of your info into this Keto calculator.
http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com
BMR - 1343
TDEE - 1847 (based on lightly active)
If you've been eating 2400-2600 calories per day, then I think you are eating way over maintenance.
Here are the targets I would recommend (from the keto calculator).
1478 kcal Daily Calorie Intake (based on a 20% deficit from TDEE)
20 g Carbohydrates (5%, 80 kcal)
70 g Protein (19%, 280 kcal)
124 g Fat (76%, 1118 kcal)
Good luck hon.
(Former Iowa girl myself!)0
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