what am i doing wrong to NOT get into ketosis

Sorry to post this question again but I'm still just not sure what I need to change here.
I just took my blood ketone test and it is only 02, I feel I have such a long way to go to get to even a 5 let alone a 1 which is where I really want to be. So.....any suggestions please!

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  • How many days have you been on a Keto diet? Depending on your current weight, it can take a couple weeks to become keto adapted. It can seem frustrating, but it'll happen.
  • kiramaniac
    kiramaniac Posts: 800 Member
    Lower your calories. You're eating above your maintenance level.

    I would try eating around 1500 calories per day for a week and see if that does it. If you are still not measuring higher, you may want to consider a Fat Fast. Dr. Atkins recommended the Fat Fast for those that were resistant getting into ketosis. A Fat Fast is eating 90% Fat for 3-5 days, while limiting consumption to 1000 calories per day.

    You're already close to those levels with the fat levels. But your calories are too high.

    Also - increase your water. Consider at least (12) 8 oz glasses per day.

    If you really want to see results, add in some high intensity exercise to burn off any glycogen in your body.
  • FXOjafar
    FXOjafar Posts: 173 Member
    You have only just started so be patient. It took me a week to get into Ketosis.

    Just keep tracking, get enough fat in, and go for long, vigorous walks to burn off stored carbs so your body can start using fat.
  • I'm pretty sure i am keto adapted as i've been doing this for a few months now and have on a regular basis colored keto sticks.
    I'm sorry I should of put that. I've actually been doing this for months but just bought some blood ketone strips.
    I had strips a few months ago too and was up to 5 but only for one day and I don't know what I did to drop out again.
    So this is not something new that I've been doing. I've been doing this for months and been testing with the urine strips and usually in the pink or next one up so I know I've been in dietary ketosis but I was told to be sure to get the blood ketone strips and found out I am not in blood ketosis but dietary with the urine strips. so yeah I've been at this for a while with little results on any of it.
  • Golightly17
    Golightly17 Posts: 347 Member
    I do notice that your diet is very heavy on the dairy. Dairy elicits an insulin response in some. Also, even though the label may say "0 carbs" for say cream or cheese, the carbs are allowed to go unlabeled if they're under 1 per serving- not a big deal unless you're having multiple servings.

    Here's an article that may give some insight:
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dairy-insulin/#axzz2mKna3iUy
  • fruttibiscotti
    fruttibiscotti Posts: 986 Member
    I noticed two things in your food diary that is contrary to what I do to stay in ketosis. Let my highlight the fact that this is what works for me, so I'm happy to share, in case you find the info useful too.

    1). I see you exceeding 25 grams carbs. The strategy I use is to be below it. Also, not being able to see your fiber prevented me from calculating net carbs. I stay below 25 net carbs.
    2) I do not eat a meal or snack without the prominent calories coming from fat. For example, today I see you had chicken breast all by itself. That's mostly all protein. I keep my body constantly fed with fatty meals. So for non fatty foods, I would mix in melted butter or olive oil or mayo, etc

    Not sure if this helps. Good luck sweetheart.
  • astartig
    astartig Posts: 549 Member
    It's also important to remember that it doesn't matter how deep into ketosis you are. if you're in ketosis you are in ketosis. being in trace is just as good as being in the dark purple zone (in fact it's probably better because it means you're fully hydrated)
  • kiramaniac
    kiramaniac Posts: 800 Member
    It's also important to remember that it doesn't matter how deep into ketosis you are. if you're in ketosis you are in ketosis. being in trace is just as good as being in the dark purple zone (in fact it's probably better because it means you're fully hydrated)

    While true for ketostix, this isn't true with the blood ketone tester. 0.5 is considered the threshhold for ketosis. Ketostix measure AcAc. Blood Ketone Testers measure B-OHB. B-OHB is the ketone that can be used by the brain and muscles. As you become keto-adapted, your production of AcAc reduces, and B-OHB increases, and it becomes the primary source of energy for the brain. This is why some people stop getting readings completely with ketostix when doing keto longer term.

    Most of the published info focuses of ketosis for the individual in a caloric deficit. That's not the case here however. She has been in a calorie surplus (previous post identified that she was eating 2600 calories; dropped to 2400 calories; now targeting 2000 calories). I don't find much info out there on B-OHB and AcAc levels for someone in a calorie surplus for long term. B-OHB should be increasing based on her fat levels, but they are still low. My theory is that the calorie surplus may be impacting the transition to nutritional ketosis / keto adaptation.

    One other thought. You may want to google your brand of keto tester to see if there is any info on the internet about it. I know Jimmy Moore used two different testers, and found one to be much better than the other. Maybe there's a calibration / accuracy issue.
  • So are you saying that too many calories can be keeping me out of keto?
    I've lowered them to 2000 but am seriously struggling with how to eat enough fat being fat has soooo many calories.
    I had a 520 calorie breakfast and was hungry 2.5 hours later. That is what one of my problems is and I don't know why but I am hungry regardless of how much fat I eat and I need REAL substance in my tummy to feel full. I envy people that can drink 1000 calorie coffee with heavy whip cream and go 8 hours without a meal and here I sit eating a max at times of 700 calories and still being hungry in 4 hours!

    Today my blood meter say I am at 4 or .04 so I am edging up again to that 5 but I really want to get to a 1 and stay there but I just don't see how possible without adding in more calories again! Though I have to say that even at all the 2600 calories and that fat over 230 and protein even under 80 I was still reaching the same levels but not ever a 1 on the blood meter. so I don't know what to change here...but will continue to work on it1
  • Golightly17
    Golightly17 Posts: 347 Member
    Have you considered adding more roughage to your diet? I.e. leafy greens, cruciferous vegetables, etc? 2 big cups of mixed greens is only 1-2 net carbs and add in a fat/oil based dressing and whatever else, it's filling. Loaded mashed cauliflower is another good one. They are high volume foods in your stomach.

    MCT oil and coconut oil are great too, obviously for fat content but also ketone production.
  • tanigrrrrr
    tanigrrrrr Posts: 137 Member
    It seems like you are eating fat to get to your Grams of Fat goal on your macros.

    Make a calorie goal of 1500cal and make sure that 65 - 70% of those calories are from fat.

    You are exclusively eating meat and fat. Put your protein and fat through a huge salad... dip celery and carrot sticks into cheese.. you need to add things that give you alot of bang for your buck to accompany your fats.

    You could literally eat half a tub of cream cheese with a bunch of celery throughout the day for less than the calorific value of your first snack.

    Keto is not just a license to eat fat all the time.. you still need to have nutrients from fresh vegetables in your diet.

    Additionally,, have you tried drinking a huge amount of water before you snack? alot of the time your body can confuse being thirsty with hungry.
  • kiramaniac
    kiramaniac Posts: 800 Member
    It seems like you are eating fat to get to your Grams of Fat goal on your macros.

    Make a calorie goal of 1500cal and make sure that 65 - 70% of those calories are from fat.

    You are exclusively eating meat and fat. Put your protein and fat through a huge salad... dip celery and carrot sticks into cheese.. you need to add things that give you alot of bang for your buck to accompany your fats.

    You could literally eat half a tub of cream cheese with a bunch of celery throughout the day for less than the calorific value of your first snack.

    Keto is not just a license to eat fat all the time.. you still need to have nutrients from fresh vegetables in your diet.

    Additionally,, have you tried drinking a huge amount of water before you snack? alot of the time your body can confuse being thirsty with hungry.

    these are great suggestions.

    If your appetite continues to be like this, you may also want to discuss with your doctor. Increased appetite could be a symptom of another issue.

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003134.htm
  • chirosche
    chirosche Posts: 66 Member
    Great info!!
  • Wilhellmina
    Wilhellmina Posts: 757 Member
    It seems like you are eating fat to get to your Grams of Fat goal on your macros.

    Make a calorie goal of 1500cal and make sure that 65 - 70% of those calories are from fat.

    You are exclusively eating meat and fat. Put your protein and fat through a huge salad... dip celery and carrot sticks into cheese.. you need to add things that give you alot of bang for your buck to accompany your fats.

    You could literally eat half a tub of cream cheese with a bunch of celery throughout the day for less than the calorific value of your first snack.

    Keto is not just a license to eat fat all the time.. you still need to have nutrients from fresh vegetables in your diet.

    Additionally,, have you tried drinking a huge amount of water before you snack? alot of the time your body can confuse being thirsty with hungry.

    these are great suggestions.

    If your appetite continues to be like this, you may also want to discuss with your doctor. Increased appetite could be a symptom of another issue.

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003134.htm

    Killer posts! I surely can work with these info's as well!
  • redheadmommy
    redheadmommy Posts: 908 Member
    I have no idea on the weight loss part, because it is not happening for me either, but that might be the breastfeeding. .

    However as far as hunger goes eat more PROTEIN, especially at the morning! I was like you until a few weeks ago , I kept upping my fat, but never were satisfied and felt hungry all the time. I was eating 150-180 g fat a day and still felt like constantly starving. I was aiming 90-100 g protein at that time. Now my goal is 120g protein and 125g fat and voila all the sudden I can go 8 hrs without a meal. I eat a huge breakfast like 1000 calorie with 50g protein, 25 (net) carb and 75g+ fat. After that I only drink green or fruit tea unsweetened until dinner.

    I read about the leptin reset , and it gave me the idea. Leptin reset suggest eating within 30 min after getting up, which is not possible for me, but I eat as soon as I get to work around 9 am.
    Leptin reset say 50-75 g protein , max 25 g carb for breakfast. 3 meals a day and NO SNACKING. Now I eat only 2 meals a day (breakfast, dinner) and I totally not hungry. When you eat 50 g protein I can guarantee that \you will not be hungry for sure for a while.
    Anyway , give it a try for a couple of weeks and see if it works for you or not.
  • the PROBLEM I have with eating MORE protein is that I've been told that too much protein increases glucose and I am pre diabetic and trying to keep my numbers in control. So far I feel I have good control but am nervous about going over on protein. I was at 50 to 60 but upped it to 100 but it is spread out through out the day and not in such a huge chunk at one time.
    I'm just scared to take in so much protein and risk running up my glucose..unless someone comes along and tells me that it is not going to be too much????
  • No you should be fine. I eat enough protein as my lean body mass. According to my personal trainer, my lean body mass is 133lbs. So, I try not to eat over 133 grams of protein a day.