A little confused. . .
giggalz
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I'm new to the group...Ive been trying for the longest time to figure out how many calories I should really be eating. I spent about two years on weight watchers before I just couldnt lose anymore weight. Last March-April I decided maybe I should workout and kick it up a notch..I started with Turbofire for 21 weeks..I dropped maybe 3 pounds and maybe 2 inches. I then started chalean extreme with turbofire hybrid. I did about a month before my job just took much of my time with the holidays (my busiest season). In january I started T25 and most of the way through it. I still havent lost any weight..but I seem to fluctuate between a few pounds like I did with turbofire. I have lost a few inches just in my stomach (no where else) but that was in the first phase. I'm now in the second phase but almost finished..theres more strength training and I dont feel as though my heart gets up there as much as it did in the first phase. But I plan on finishing out the phase and then going to go back to the first phase and also do chalean extreme (just the strength training)..
Currently I'm at 1600 calories which is based on the questionnaire from the T25 kit. When I wasnt working out for about a month during christmas I was eating about 1300-1400 maybe..When I was doing turbofire I was eating more (i changed it so much so the number isnt definite) between 1700-1900..I was burning up more calories during those times...
With all of the hard work I feel I'm putting in..working out and watching what I eat..I've watched the scale go absolutely no where in a years time. I currently have no idea what to eat because nothings worked...I ate worse on weight watchers and lost..slowly..I have a fitbit and a bodymedia but rely on my body media..my calorie burn ranged between 2200 to 2300 calories...It is a little lower on the one rest day I have..I've tried deficient at 250 500 and 750..Nothings worked...I'm truely just exhausted trying to figure this out..and beyond frustrated...I know my body is stubborn..but geez this badly?? its like hello I'm now working out..lets get a move on...while on weight watchers I didnt move at all..when I tried my body just wouldnt lose..of course I didnt stick to it for long though...
I do check macros..I'm pretty good with that except for protein..being a picky eat who doesnt eat majority of proteins ..getting enough proteins is my biggest problem..I now finally get 20% when I need 30-35%
I've tried filling out the spreadsheet but I get lost on how to figure out how many hours I've been sitting..and moving etc..so thats where I get hung up on..if I use a tdee calculator ..based on that with a 15% calorie reduction it has me at
BMR - 1445
TDEE - 1987
Daily calories based on - 1689
I know this is kinda long but hoping someone can just point me in a direction and maybe help my confusion as to where i should be...maybe the scale will finally for once go down..
Currently I'm at 1600 calories which is based on the questionnaire from the T25 kit. When I wasnt working out for about a month during christmas I was eating about 1300-1400 maybe..When I was doing turbofire I was eating more (i changed it so much so the number isnt definite) between 1700-1900..I was burning up more calories during those times...
With all of the hard work I feel I'm putting in..working out and watching what I eat..I've watched the scale go absolutely no where in a years time. I currently have no idea what to eat because nothings worked...I ate worse on weight watchers and lost..slowly..I have a fitbit and a bodymedia but rely on my body media..my calorie burn ranged between 2200 to 2300 calories...It is a little lower on the one rest day I have..I've tried deficient at 250 500 and 750..Nothings worked...I'm truely just exhausted trying to figure this out..and beyond frustrated...I know my body is stubborn..but geez this badly?? its like hello I'm now working out..lets get a move on...while on weight watchers I didnt move at all..when I tried my body just wouldnt lose..of course I didnt stick to it for long though...
I do check macros..I'm pretty good with that except for protein..being a picky eat who doesnt eat majority of proteins ..getting enough proteins is my biggest problem..I now finally get 20% when I need 30-35%
I've tried filling out the spreadsheet but I get lost on how to figure out how many hours I've been sitting..and moving etc..so thats where I get hung up on..if I use a tdee calculator ..based on that with a 15% calorie reduction it has me at
BMR - 1445
TDEE - 1987
Daily calories based on - 1689
I know this is kinda long but hoping someone can just point me in a direction and maybe help my confusion as to where i should be...maybe the scale will finally for once go down..
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The spreadsheet activity calculator doesn't ask how many hours you've been sitting.
You may be confused where it tells you what is already assumed level of activity in sedentary.
You only need to add on hours if your work is NOT sedentary.
Otherwise, just add exercise that is planned and done.
You may be confused too about the purpose for diet and exercise. You don't say how frequently you are doing the program, hopefully not daily. Or following the advice for program selection.
Diet is for weight loss, if done right only fat loss. Stop. End of story.
Exercise is for heart health and body improvements, and it can help fat loss, or help muscle loss.
I'm betting that high anaerobic carb burning workouts constantly is not helping with saving muscle.
Their program does at least try to save people by having higher calorie goals, and protein goals - if followed.
I'd suggest get that activity calc done.
If you do not have a 45 hr sedentary desk job/commute, but those hours really are more active, than just get some rough hours in there, you should have noticed that you changing 5 hrs for service trades line doesn't change the TDEE that much, so rough is fine, but include something that is true.
Like if you walk the dog or kids to school for 45 min daily, that counts under walking, though you could count it as labor trades walking too.
If you have a kid around the home all day and always on the move, think about 8hrs of service trades minus whatever time you get to sit down while kiddo is napping perhaps. If nap and lunch is 2-3 hrs daily, then you have only 5-6 hrs daily service trades x 5 or 6 or 7 days a week if the weekends are the same.
And then, when was the last time you took a 1 week workout break that didn't involve being sick?
And when was last diet break for a week, again, not when sick?
May be time to reset if it's been that long on much lower calorie.0 -
ah gotcha..I guess I'm considered sedentary..my job forces me to sit most of the day. I'm doing T25 so like in the phase that I'm in theres more strength so I dont feel like I'm getting enough out of it like i did in the first phase. Their 25 minutes long but its hard to figure out what minutes go where? but I just kinda averaged and put in what I could..so I dont think it would change other then the info from above...(i've since closed out of that window)
I had December off..but I've been watching my calories and macros since April. I do have a day here and there where my calories/macros are way up..So I guess I've not had a diet break..(that actually sounds scary lol) I've thought about eating maintenance for a week or two..but you can easily get so many numbers and then get confused..
I'm doing the program 6 days a week instead of the 5 like the plan suggests giving me 1 day off0 -
I'd suggest you follow their plan.
During a diet is the absolute backwards time to increase exercise intensity because your body is already going to be impaired trying to recover.
You don't allow decent recovery, you are just creating more stress for your body.
Stress fights against fat loss.
It also causes the workouts to not be effective.
If you want your time to really count, at least follow their advice. And if their advice says back off if dieting, backoff.
Here's another truism.
Exercise if done right tears the body down.
It's the rest for recovery and repair that builds it back up, perhaps stronger if diet allows.
Where is your rest?
Also, unless their lifting is traditional lifting, with rests between 2-3 sets of 2-4 minutes, it's not lifting calorie burn that belongs in that line in the activity calc. If they do high reps and little rest and move on to another lift - that's circuit training and more calorie burn than lifting causes, so high cardio line.
Here's the really scary thought to a diet break.
Are you losing weight now?
Sounds like little to none.
Guess who isn't really in much of any deficit already? So guess where the food level would have to go now to cause weight loss? And guess how much improvement from the exercise you'll get then?
At least not with a suppressed metabolism and TDEE.
If the body has already adapted to having too few calories and has suppressed your system to deal with it, it's not about to add on anything that needs more calories, so very little if any improvements.
That's a fight to lose weight, and a fight to see improvements.
Talk about additional stress you don't need, which also fights against fat loss.0 -
well as I said I do 6 days instead of the 5..in the program they have it doubled one day..I just dont torture my body that much in one day..t25 is hard. so I stretch it to 6..which they have said is fine. they have a questionnaire for determining calorie intake its 1600 for me..its really on a guideline.
If following their planned worked..I wouldnt still be trying to figure out how to have a loss in a years time..
I've not lost weight but I am and have been at a deficit
Im getting a little confused by the responses...the workouts are 25 minutes long but I have a sedentary lifestyle outside of my workout program..I'm probably getting more then enough rest time..I probably should be more active to be honest..0 -
Ok, if they say it's fine.
Some of those programs have specific routines if you do it daily, and the inbetween days are easier days to allow the hard days to truly be hard.
You do not understand what a deficit is. You must understand this or you'll never get out of this mess.
A deficit causes you to lose weight. Eating less than you burn in other words.
You have not lost weight.
Therefore you are not in a deficit.
This is simple logic.
Now, the question is, is logging of food just that bad that you are in reality eating at a full burning metabolism and TDEE level of calories?
Or more likely has your body adapted down because of too few calories, even if more than you log, but still too stressful?
If it really is the former, you cut more calories until you lose weight.
But if it's really the latter and you do that, you may see some loss, but then body will adapt again, and may work even lower if attempted again - then where do you go when that stops? Do you really want to be eating the fewest calories possible.
Oh, and that end story is terrible for maintenance eating.
If it is the latter, that's the reason for the reset.
Regarding your workouts, you have no idea what the body needs to recover. If your are truly doing them hard.
That's the problem of no good recovery though - you feel like you are pushing as hard as ever, but compared to a properly recovered body, not even close.
Sedentary outside exercise doesn't really matter, that doesn't aid in faster recovery, especially in a deficit or suppressed state.
But getting up and getting the blood flowing by moving around more, yes, that will aid in recovery.
Did you know a good lifting workout can take 24-48 hrs to recover from. And that's someone eating in surplus, great protein, sleep, ect.
You can tear down the body a lot in 25 minutes.0 -
still confused..according to my bodymedia AND mfp I'm at a deficit..I've ate calories ranging from 1600 to 1900 when working out..none have worked0
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still confused..according to my bodymedia AND mfp I'm at a deficit..I've ate calories ranging from 1600 to 1900 when working out..none have worked
If you eat less than you burn - you lose weight.
Simple as that. There can be water weight fluctuations obviously, so weight changes with no calories involved, but leave that out of the picture if longer than a week and valid weigh-in days.
If you trust the BodyMedia - then your logging is terrible and you are eating more than you record by decent amount.
If you trust your logging of food - then your BodyMedia is wrong and you are not burning as much as it reports.
Simple as that. You are not in a deficit if you are not losing weight.
I'm really not sure how you can be confused. I'm not sure how you can possibly think MFP knows how much you really burn - you were the one that selected the activity level after all, not it.
If you were eating at a deficit from how much you burned daily - would you not lose weight then?
So 2 simple parts of the equation. Calories in = calories out - no weight change. calories in < calories out - weight loss.
What you obviously don't know is which side is the inaccuracy - or could be a little of both.
Perhaps your food logging is a little bad, and you are eating more than you think.
And your BodyMedia is reporting you burn more than you really do.
You realize the BodyMedia isn't actually measuring how many calories you burn right? Like a HRM doesn't either.
It estimates it. Calculates it. And has to make a bunch of assumptions. You may fall exactly in to those assumptions - and as you prove, you can very easily not.
BodyMedia has your gender, age, height, weight. Guess what they base their foundation calorie burn on? BMR.
Good ole calculated BMR.
Now, that is adjusted by the heat sensors over time to try to get a better true BMR based on heat you put off. Because guess what metabolism is? Heat.
But the sensors may not work well on you, or the foundation BMR may be way off true BMR and they can't adjust enough.
Is that your BMR?
Do you have as much muscle mass as average study participant that help come up with the formula for BMR?
What if through diet you have burned off a decent amount of muscle mass? That would make your BMR lower in comparison.
What if because of undereating by too much your body has made you more efficient than it needed to be, burning less than expected?
Your BodyMedia would be giving inflated calories burns.
What if your exercise made the BM think you were moving more than you really were, like some dance classes moving the arms a lot, or arm ergometer, or chainsawing a tree (that was my eye opener), or driving on a bumpy road (many have seen that in their daily burn log), ect.
So, with the fact that you are eating at TDEE if you are not losing weight, no deficit is in place.
You ate at 1600 for some period of time, and didn't gain or lose.
Was that your real potential TDEE then, or suppressed because of under-eating too much, or because of sloppy logging you were eating more?
You then ate more, say 1800 for some period of time, and didn't gain or lose.
Was that your real potential TDEE then, or suppressed again?
Obviously it means 1600 wasn't your TDEE, because now you are eating 1800 and not gaining weight. Not losing either, but obviously not eating over TDEE and gaining.
Now eating at 1900 and not gaining.
So 1800 obviously wasn't your real potential TDEE either, or you would be gaining by eating at 1900.
So is 1900 your real TDEE, just because you didn't gain, or lose?
Or is it still suppressed?
Are you figuring out the only way you would really know if 1900 is your true potential TDEE?
I hope so, reread the reasoning above if you don't.
Sorry being hard, but you got to understand this - because if you don't I guarantee you will not stick with the program - you will get freaked out and give up, and keep doing the same thing with no results.
What's that called doing the same thing expecting different results?
Look at your BodyMedia stats page, calories burned per min.
Look at the average low over night while sleeping. So if it says 0.85 and 0.86 back and forth, you are 0.855.
Take that average cal / min x 1440. That's the BMR they are using.
How does that compare to the Mifflin BMR that MFP uses?
How about the Katch BMR based on body fat%? (hope you have that)
Now find some time during the day, perhaps a movie or sitting still for a decent time.
What is the cal/min during that time?
Same cal / min x 1440. That should be your RMR, and should be higher than BMR by 150-250 calories, if the sensors are working well.
Look at your MET chart of vigorous activity for the time of a workout.
Is it accurate when the exercise started and ended?
Just trying to help you wrap your mind around the fact you are NOT in a deficit eating diet.
If you were, you'd be losing weight.
If you were logging food sloppily and eating at potential TDEE, and working out hard, you should still be seeing great body changes occurring, and exercise performance improving very well. The body can make great changes eating at true maintenance.
If you are NOT seeing body changes, like inches drop, and performance increases, then you are NOT eating at potential TDEE, because the body isn't going to make improvements much if it's already adapted and suppressed your metabolism/TDEE.
End of story.
If you want to do any program related to eating correctly for your level of activity, and taking a reasonable deficit, like EM2WL - you need to eat more, which is the point.
You need to eat more because your body isn't happy with your routine so far, and it has adapted. You are not burning as much as you think. You are suppressed TDEE. Which is what you are eating.
Here, read what can happen. Most are not aware of how the body can adapt to things.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/heybales?month=2014010 -
no my logging is just fine..i measure weight if i need it..i wouldnt say my bodymedia is faulty or isnt accurate..and by their claims its pretty accurate...i've used a HRM along with my bodymedia..currently i'm not using it and just going by what my bodymedia says..it gives me a few less then HRM..Bodymedia is pretty high tech it just doesnt go by BMR cause then it would match me via a BMR calculator...so no..I dont agree with that..and think maybe research it ...
I gave a few numbers..and said I was confused as to which number to eat..which is why I'm confused by all of your replies..obviously after a year of trying to search for this answer..if it was my logging..i would of figured it out..my meals are pretty plain and simple..
if i knew WHY i wasnt losing weight..I woudnt of had the need to look..or wasted a whole year in trying to figure this out
the calorie ranges vary..plus I was doing different types of workouts..when I was eating close to 1900 calories..I was doing turbofire and some of the workouts I burned far more then I do with T25..
I think going back and re reading what I originally wrote I was confused on how many calories I should be eating..If i've been intaking calories ranging from 1300 to 1900 and didnt lose while I've kept active..I dont see how its me and my "bad logging" or my body media..somewhere along the way I should of lost weight..calories in vs calories out..according to you..
I needed helping just figuring out how many calories I should be eating..because after a year of counting calories/macros nothings changed...i've been on this weight loss thing for 3 years now..i highly doubt i'll be giving up...
from my bodymedia
BMR - 1296
RMR - 1440
based an a calculator online
BMR - 1530
RMR - 1442
and i went back to when I first started wearing my bodymedia it was the same cal/min as it is now..i was on a different program and ate more then i currently do now0 -
I have thoroughly researched the BodyMedia after my own use of it pointed out some strangeness to my inquiring mind, and scientifically testing the ability, or rather inability, of the sensors to do what they claimed they will do. Several studies on it point on those limitations too.
Free moving daily non-exercise it can be great at.
Some exercise it can be decent at.
Some exercise it can be terrible at.
And for one study they even provided the researchers with different formula to improve the calorie burns of some exercises. But those aren't used in commercial product.
The heat sensors can at least adjust the sleeping calorie burn from the original baseline BMR that is indeed calculated at the start. But it can only adjust so much.
It starts with calculated BMR, and has table of what the temp sensors should be seeing for heat from such a BMR, and if not there adjusts.
The problem being, if your BMR based on say BF% is much less than that calculated with age, weight, height the BodyMedia starts with, then the tables are wrong.
That's for non-moving time. Moving time is based on weight and calculated pace, steps in other words, and calculated stride length, and some sensor action, but not much.
So yes, if you trust your logging, then your BodyMedia is way off. There can be no other answer.
So does that 1296 BMR from the BodyMedia match up with the BMR you have used in the TDEE tables?
Still trust that the BodyMedia would match a BMR calculator? You do realize what BMR means, right? Not sure why you think a calculator is going to be dead on accurate, do you realize where the calculations came from?
Those other results from online calculator are backwards BTW, RMR is always higher than BMR, one is sleeping, one is awake resting.
So if 1442 was actually the BMR figure, the BodyMedia has moved you down 140 calories about. That's interesting. More interesting would be Katch BMR based on BF%.
If you want an eating figure without understanding what may be going on, and don't like the suggestion of the direction I was giving - eat 250 less than you currently eat gross, in total.
If no results after a month, eat 250 less again.
Watch carefully your energy levels, your hair & nail growth, and skin condition, ability to stay warm, ect. I'm betting you see differences. Bad ones.
Or reread what this group is trying to get you to realize, reread my comments trying to help you, and don't crash your metabolism into the ground, regretting for a long time down the road the effects of that.
Pretty sure while you did a great job with current weight lost, you accomplished it with all the negative effects that can be had during a diet and not realizing those consequences to methods used.
You can do a lot wrong at the start of weight loss with a lot to lose and still see good results, ie inches and weight.
But later that won't work, especially if the earlier set the later up to be more difficult.0 -
Hi- I would recommend taking a diet break. This really helped me. Take a break from the stress of dieting and wanting to lose weight. It helps to have a clear mind.
Pick what you think your TDEE is and eat that for a week or two. Record your weight and see if there were any changes up or down. If there are no changes then that is your TDEE. I would work off that number by adding or deleting a couple hundred calories to find a place where you can maintain. When you finally start cutting again, I would recommend 10-15% cut. A small deficit sometimes works best for people.
I would also take a good look at your macros. I had to do some slight tweaking that really helped me. I really watch my sugar intake and I have been working on getting in 30g of protein at each meal. I also eat 7-10 servings of veggies a day and add a good fat to every meal (avocado, olive oil, nuts, etc). I always neglected adding in a healthy fat and I was never satisfied after a meal.
I used to do Weight Watchers. I was always starving on that program. I did lose 40lbs on it, but I dont want to go back to being hungry. So anyways, I know what you are struggling with. I myself I am trying to lose about 5lbs. Take a break and start fresh. You may need to make some slight diet changes to get you to your next goal. Good luck! Freind me if you would like.0