Mod Request-Thoughts on the new FAQ on Weight

baconslave
baconslave Posts: 7,018 Member
edited November 11 in Social Groups
Here's what I'm working on. Please let me know what I need to add. Anything you all would add that those who need reassurance would find helpful. Tools, tips, or other questions it should answer.

I'm planning a separate one for Stall Busting. They'll both go in a "Weight/scale questions" post when they are all completed so all scale concerns will be in one place. In case you were wondering. :smile:

TIA
Your Scale is a Lying LiarPants
Or "Why aren't I losing weight on my low-carb diet?"

We have been conditioned most of our lives to put our hopes and worth into one single number: how much gravity acts on our bodies, which is more commonly know as “the number the bathroom scale spits out at us.” For some reason it's been given godly-status. But for many reasons it isn't always accurate.

How Much Weight Should I Expect to Lose and How Quickly?
You are going to lose weight at different rates at different times and how fast is going to depend on the individual: their starting weight, how much they have left to lose, and their own personal metabolic rate. People often get frustrated because they aren't dropping a ton of weight quickly on low-carb diets. You aren't guaranteed to. Some people lose faster, and these usually have a high starting weight. Some people lose more slowly, and these people generally have less weight to lose. As the body gets closer to goal, that dreaded H-word “homeostasis” comes into play and the rate of weight loss will slow. There are still others that will always lose slowly, regardless of how much they have to lose. Two pounds per week, one pound per week, or even only half a pound every 2 weeks, a minus is a minus.


Am I in a Stall?
You aren't stalling, or hitting a plateau, until your weight hasn't dropped any in 4 to 6 weeks. If you don't lose for a week or 2, your body is pulling a fast one on you to the tune of one (or more) of the issues you will find below.


So, How Do You Tell If You Have a Fibbing Scale?
First, make sure you know what you're eating. Check your macros, making sure you aren't eating too much protein and that you are eating enough fat. Check that you haven't accidentally engaged in that insidious devil: carb creep, where you get lax about how many carbs you are consuming. And finally, make sure you aren’t' eating too many or too little calories. Remember that, as you lose, your body will need fewer calories, so you will periodically have to adjust your calorie goal downward. Accurately measure your food to make sure you aren't cheating yourself with either too much or too little.

So, you've checked your macros and calories, and you've been eating what you should, but the scale is still giving you nonsense. It has gone up, or it still isn't going down! Don't fret too much. The scale is a lying liarpants sometimes.

How Your Scale Lies:
Water weight. Did you know that a cup of water weighs half a pound (kg)? Water the body refuses to give up can add up to scale lies. There are several ways your body likes to trick the scale by holding onto water.
  • Hormones.Unbalanced hormone levels in the body caused by diet snafus, stress (elevated cortisol), or natural gender fluctuations (ovulation or the evil TOM) cause the body to hold onto water.
  • Fat loss. Believe it or not, when we lose fat, the body sometimes fills the empty fat cells with water before letting it go. The fat cells are freaking out because they are now Empty-Nesters, and they aren't happy about it.
  • DOMS. Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness. Or other injuries. When you strain your muscles, they become stronger by tearing and then healing. This tearing of the muscle fibers causes inflammation in the form of water retention. When your muscles heal, the water will be shed by the body.
  • Too much sodium. If you've eaten a lot more sodium than usual, this can cause your body to hold onto water.


Other Issues Affecting Weight:
Water weight isn't the only way your scale can be tricked.
Here are some other common reasons your scale gives you grief.
  • Homeostasis. A big word to say that your body wants to keep the status quo. It want things to stay the same. When we change things up too much for its liking, it will defensively hold onto weight until it is sure it can handle what we've done. For example, it is not uncommon for people to experience a mini-stall after dropping 10, 20 or 30 pound. The body “pauses” to evaluate, before showing progress on the scale again.
  • Medications. Some medications are known to cause stalls or even weight gain. Talk to your doctor if you suspect this is the case. You may be able to adjust dosage or change to a different drug if it is too severe a side effect. Or it may just be something you'll have to battle with if the drug can't be changed.


What Can I Do About a Lying Scale?

The number on the scale isn't the only character in our weight loss story. The scale lies. So how do we see the truth? The scale is going to bounce all around like a kangaroo on crack. It will go up, down, up, down. Weight loss is not going to be linear. Your chart will at times look like the line on an EKG. And that's perfectly okay, as long as the overall trend is downward. What you need to do, for your own sanity, is read a different character's story.

Our Other Characters:
  • Measurements. Regularly keep your measurements. Grab a measuring tape and every week or two and keep track of what your body is physically doing. When your body is holding onto water for the above reasons, or you have gained muscle, often you will have lost inches, even if the scale has bounced up or showed no change.
  • Pictures. Take progress pics of yourself every few weeks. Using this in tandem with your measurements will show you in a tangible way how far you have come, even if the scale hasn't changed much. Some people can finally see in pictures what they can't see in the mirror.
  • Clothing Fit. Use how your clothes feel on you as a guide. Often, if you are tracking well and keeping your calories in check, but the scale is being a twit, chances are your clothes will start to get loose in places or even just look better on your body.
  • Health. How do you feel? So what if the scale isn't moving like gangbusters? You are getting healthier and feeling better. That is a NSV in itself.


A Word about Patience
Patience has got to be one of the hardest things for someone wanting to see a positive change. Especially for those of us who want the weight off us YESTERDAY! But patience is exactly what we need during this time. Time is going to pass anyway, regardless of what we do. But change will happen if we take the necessary steps. Patience isn't a virtue; it is a skill. And one sorely tested while we are making healthy sacrifices. Exercise your patience, and it WILL get stronger. The scale will dither and lie, but you can defeat that Liar. Be gritty. Be doggedly determined. Be consistent. Time will take care of the rest.

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  • tru2one
    tru2one Posts: 298 Member
    Awesome compendium of information regarding the Metal Monster and it's deceptive ways. Thanks so much for putting this together! It's a wonderful tool to direct newbies to, and hopefully will keep the board less cluttered with the same questions that most all of us had when starting this WOE.
  • strawmama
    strawmama Posts: 623 Member
    Well done!!
  • robert65ferguson
    robert65ferguson Posts: 390 Member
    That seems pretty comprehensive and should answer most FAQs. Thank you for taking the time to do this. The work which you and the other mods do for this group is really appreciated. I've learned a lot and am still in the base training class.
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    baconslave wrote: »
    Your Scale is a Lying LiarPants
    Or "Why aren't I losing weight on my low-carb diet?"

    We have been conditioned most of our lives to put our hopes and worth into one single number: how much gravity acts on our bodies, which is more commonly know as “the number the bathroom scale spits out at us.” For some reason it's been given godly-status. But for many reasons it isn't always accurate.

    How Much Weight Should I Expect to Lose and How Quickly?
    You are going to lose weight at different rates at different times and how fast is going to depend on the individual: their starting weight, how much they have left to lose, and their own personal metabolic rate. People often get frustrated because they aren't dropping a ton of weight quickly on low-carb diets. You aren't guaranteed to. Some people lose faster, and these genuinely have a high starting weight.

    genuinely is used in the wrong place or as the wrong word above... these generally/usually have a genuine high starting weight --OR-- these usually have a high starting weight.

    Not sure what your intention was so not sure which way to correct it.



    Oh, and the kangaroo on crack reference was the single best image in this entire article!



  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,018 Member
    KnitOrMiss wrote: »
    baconslave wrote: »
    Your Scale is a Lying LiarPants
    Or "Why aren't I losing weight on my low-carb diet?"

    We have been conditioned most of our lives to put our hopes and worth into one single number: how much gravity acts on our bodies, which is more commonly know as “the number the bathroom scale spits out at us.” For some reason it's been given godly-status. But for many reasons it isn't always accurate.

    How Much Weight Should I Expect to Lose and How Quickly?
    You are going to lose weight at different rates at different times and how fast is going to depend on the individual: their starting weight, how much they have left to lose, and their own personal metabolic rate. People often get frustrated because they aren't dropping a ton of weight quickly on low-carb diets. You aren't guaranteed to. Some people lose faster, and these genuinely have a high starting weight.

    genuinely is used in the wrong place or as the wrong word above... these generally/usually have a genuine high starting weight --OR-- these usually have a high starting weight.

    Not sure what your intention was so not sure which way to correct it.



    Oh, and the kangaroo on crack reference was the single best image in this entire article!



    Thanks for catching that. I meant "generally". It's a genuine 3-ring-circus around me constantly.
  • shadesofidaho
    shadesofidaho Posts: 485 Member
    Looks great to me. Very easy to understand. Thank you for all you are doing here.
  • annieboomboom
    annieboomboom Posts: 176 Member
    Just what I needed. I am astonished to read of folks who are dropping 10 lbs a week. Yes, I understand water loss but it is shocking. Me? I am a one or 2 ponder if that.
    So it goes. Patience is something I am working on. Feel better? You bet. Gone is brain fog, found is energy and sense of well being not to mention my joints don't hurt. I don't feel like an 80 year old when I get out of bed in the morning . And , this: dreams. Wow, do I dream.
  • FIT_Goat
    FIT_Goat Posts: 4,224 Member
    I think people would be really amazed at how random each individual weight could be. In fact, looking over a year of data (counting only days where I had back to back weights), it's almost a perfectly random distribution around the average weight I lost at. I lost at about 1 lb/week (0.15 lbs/day). With a daily standard deviation of 1.34 lbs. That's right... the standard deviation was almost an order of magnitude larger than the actual loss. Not only that, but just over 32% of the numbers fall outside one standard deviation. That means a gain (or loss) of over a pound that didn't really happen, it was just statistical noise. And, almost 3% of the time I stepped on the scale, I gained more than 2.2 lbs... of random. That's not super often, but it's almost once a month. And, I am a man. I have less monthly random water weight fluctuations. It will be even worse for women.

    I am all about weighing often, but not trusting the weight on the scale. Add up several days, and average them. Then, a while later, add up several new days and average them. Look at the difference in the averages. That's more reliable than the scale itself.
  • camtosh
    camtosh Posts: 898 Member
    Copy editor here! it reads fine for content, just a couple of editing glitches:

    --edit to add bold on "Water weight." in the list items.

    How Your Scale Lies:
    Water weight. Did you know that a cup of water weighs half a pound (kg)? Water the body refuses to give up can add up to scale lies.


    --why the 2nd Hormones? delete that and close up the paragraph.

    Hormones.There are several ways your body likes to trick the scale by holding onto water.
    Hormones. Unbalanced hormone levels in the body caused by diet snafus, stress (elevated cortisol), or natural gender fluctuations (ovulation or the evil TOM) cause the body to hold onto water.
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,018 Member
    camtosh wrote: »
    Copy editor here! it reads fine for content, just a couple of editing glitches:

    --edit to add bold on "Water weight." in the list items.

    How Your Scale Lies:
    Water weight. Did you know that a cup of water weighs half a pound (kg)? Water the body refuses to give up can add up to scale lies.


    --why the 2nd Hormones? delete that and close up the paragraph.

    Hormones.There are several ways your body likes to trick the scale by holding onto water.
    Hormones. Unbalanced hormone levels in the body caused by diet snafus, stress (elevated cortisol), or natural gender fluctuations (ovulation or the evil TOM) cause the body to hold onto water.

    Thanks. Will do.
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,018 Member
    FIT_Goat wrote: »
    I think people would be really amazed at how random each individual weight could be. In fact, looking over a year of data (counting only days where I had back to back weights), it's almost a perfectly random distribution around the average weight I lost at. I lost at about 1 lb/week (0.15 lbs/day). With a daily standard deviation of 1.34 lbs. That's right... the standard deviation was almost an order of magnitude larger than the actual loss. Not only that, but just over 32% of the numbers fall outside one standard deviation. That means a gain (or loss) of over a pound that didn't really happen, it was just statistical noise. And, almost 3% of the time I stepped on the scale, I gained more than 2.2 lbs... of random. That's not super often, but it's almost once a month. And, I am a man. I have less monthly random water weight fluctuations. It will be even worse for women.

    I am all about weighing often, but not trusting the weight on the scale. Add up several days, and average them. Then, a while later, add up several new days and average them. Look at the difference in the averages. That's more reliable than the scale itself.

    Thanks. I've been mulling over a brief section about daily weighing. Your comments are perfect.

    I think there is a site that actually will average it for you. I'll look around for it. Can't remember the link. Happy scale or some similar.
  • KeithF6250
    KeithF6250 Posts: 321 Member
    Putting on an old hat as a manufacturing engineer (that hat has been in retirement for a lot of years) what you are describing is the same problem we had trying to implement statistical process control back in the 70s & 80s. It's easy when using a digital scale to be mis-led by the difference between accuracy and precision. Your digital scale may measure in 0.5 pound increments but it may take only a 0.1 pound swing to make the reported weight swing by 0.5 pounds. Meanwhile if you drink a pint of water you've made a 1.0 pound change.

    You're correct to approach the problem with averages. A non-statistical, eyeball analysis of my own daily weigh-ins suggests that a 3 or 5 day rolling average would probably be more meaningful. I could do the math but it doesn't seem worth the trouble. My own approach is to do the daily weigh in and log it into MFP but only pay attention to the 7 day and 30 day trends on the graphs it provides.
  • FIT_Goat
    FIT_Goat Posts: 4,224 Member
    Libra is a good app for weight tracking, it uses a trend-line. Online just web-based, I used the hacker's diet program. I've switched to Libra these days.
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,018 Member
    bumping. I'll be putting the final copy up in a few days. Any other thoughts?
  • traveljjo
    traveljjo Posts: 35 Member
    Awesome! Addresses some of my recent woes. Thank you
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,018 Member
    Ok, ladies and gents. This new FAQ is live. If you have already seen the LiarPants Scale post, ignore it, but it's linked in the LaunchPad.

    Thanks for the help.
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    baconslave wrote: »
    Ok, ladies and gents. This new FAQ is live. If you have already seen the LiarPants Scale post, ignore it, but it's linked in the LaunchPad.

    Thanks for the help.

    Because I somehow missed this thread four days ago...

    This looks like it might be a good place to also make note about/highlight the massive water weight drops that account for the 10lb/week type of losses that draw a lot of newcomers to LCHF to begin with. Many seem to feel like they're the ones failing, because they've "only" lost 2-4lbs, when it's really just the fact that they didn't have as much glycogen to drop as the people with the double-digit "losses."
  • Fivepts
    Fivepts Posts: 517 Member
    Fantastic. Thanks. I have been trying to lose the same 25lbs for years and have fallen for all of these tricks from my lying scale.
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,018 Member
    Dragonwolf wrote: »
    baconslave wrote: »
    Ok, ladies and gents. This new FAQ is live. If you have already seen the LiarPants Scale post, ignore it, but it's linked in the LaunchPad.

    Thanks for the help.

    Because I somehow missed this thread four days ago...

    This looks like it might be a good place to also make note about/highlight the massive water weight drops that account for the 10lb/week type of losses that draw a lot of newcomers to LCHF to begin with. Many seem to feel like they're the ones failing, because they've "only" lost 2-4lbs, when it's really just the fact that they didn't have as much glycogen to drop as the people with the double-digit "losses."

    OK, I'll go in and fix it tomorrow. Thanks.
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