I have found I need to count them in part due to so many hidden carbs when eating out. The night thing about nuts and vegetables is often the fiber number is 50% of the carb count.

Sugar is a naturally occurring carb, too. Potatoes are chock full of naturally occurring carbs. Apples, grapes, pineapple, bananas, and pears are also full of naturally occurring carbs. Can we just ignore all of these?

While there is a case to be made for subtracting fiber carbs, there is no such exemption for other carbs (natural or not... Although I am hard pressed to imagine an unnatural carb). Fruits count, vegetables count, all the carbs count.

Granted, you would have a hard time over-eating carbs with just spinach. Rest assured, though, the carbs in spinach (minus the fiber) count against your daily limit. You can kick yourself out of your goal range with vegetables. It's fairly easy to do with fruit.

Depending on your personal limit, you could probably get away with not counting most leafy green stuff. The amount of net carbs in those are pretty minimal. A person would need to eat a lot of broccoli to get over 50g of net carbs. LOL

Still, it's best to be aware of the total amount of carbs you're eating. It's very easy to suffer from "carb-creep" where you're slowly eating more and more carbs without realizing how they all add up.

Nuts such as almonds are surprisingly high in carbs too - depends how many you are eating when you snack through the day. Depends how low you are aiming for on carbs, but if I have a lunch of nuts as I sometimes do when I haven't anything else suitable, that might be nearly half my carbs for the day.

Great post ! I currently aim for 50 carbs TOTAL daily including any vegetables & nuts etc. Therefore, if I go over on the odd day then I don't beat myself up about it knowing that my actual net figure is usually much lower. I too would eventually like to go back to Keto but I became far too worried about the science and lost motivation after 3 weeks. Now I am losing at this carb number any enjoying so much more variety.

HaggisWhisperer - what you are doing seems to be working well for you so don't start to get bogged down by the numbers if your general macros are good

I prefer cooking from scratch and using whole foods (where possible) ....its the only way you can really get a closer count. Other than that, I think the 'net carb' figures are usually pretty accurate when logged. For example, I sometimes eat Quest bars as an 'on the go' option when I travel . Even if the 'net carb' figure is written on the packet (for e.g 3grams net) , then my log actually automatically enters the total carbs and total fibre (e.g. 21 grams carbs, 18grams fibre) .
p.s Luuuurve tenderstem broccoli, might have that tonight asian style with some toasted sesame seeds...yum!

Wow, I see what you mean...huge differences even for raw produce! I made a comparison of the two items and even crossed checked physically via the Sainbury's website. It seems that the MFP generic listings for raw produce are all sourced from the USDA (US Department of Agriculture) and differ greatly from our UK sources. As this site is truly platformed mostly around our friends across the pond, we perhaps need to go by UK nutritional counter to maintain a consistent approach to our logs. I have searched around and found nothing like a 'one stop shop' for this, maybe somebody else might know ? Until then, perhaps just use supermarket data and avoid the generic....which I myself have been doing too unknowingly....oops ! The good news is that at the end of the day, a broccoli or a carrot remain the same in our bodies no matter the accent haha Going to add you if you don't mind, would love to keep in touch