What causes metabolic syndrome?
GaleHawkins
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Because of all the cancer in the family and friends I have been looking at supplements that are to boost the body's natural defense again cancer BEFORE it develops into a 'medical' condition needings added attention. Actually I am interested as to how KETO eating lifestyle impacts cancer risks and reading about that subject is how I ran across organic and inorganic supplements info on the subject.
I keep reading 'eating meat increases cancer risks' which concerns me since I eat more meat and fats since going Keto. I am not sure this is just the remains of doctors being taught Fat is bad. One cancer center MD. did clearly state carbs and to a lesser extent protein increases cancer risk where has fat does not increase cancer risk at all.
During the snow I was reading more about organic supplements like ns-eugenik.de/labor/zeolite.htm and organic supplements like biobran.org/ as well as the use of far intrared saunas and mats.
Web sources of info often are pushing info for financial gain. The German doctor speaking about cancer at a UK meeting (listed under multimedia tab of the last link mentioned above did however impress me with details how how the body fights off cancer and they research results of using the organic based supplement to enhance the bodies ability to attack and kill cancer cells.
What causes the metabolic syndrome is something I would like to really know so as to correct/prevent the syndrome. Using both organic and inorganic supplements to reverse Type 2 diabetes was a new one on me but I kind of followed the thinking involved. If supplements and light can help my family stay away from diabetes, cancer, etc, I want to understand how and why for sure.
Because of all the cancer in the family and friends I have been looking at supplements that are to boost the body's natural defense again cancer BEFORE it develops into a 'medical' condition needings added attention. Actually I am interested as to how KETO eating lifestyle impacts cancer risks and reading about that subject is how I ran across organic and inorganic supplements info on the subject.
I keep reading 'eating meat increases cancer risks' which concerns me since I eat more meat and fats since going Keto. I am not sure this is just the remains of doctors being taught Fat is bad. One cancer center MD. did clearly state carbs and to a lesser extent protein increases cancer risk where has fat does not increase cancer risk at all.
During the snow I was reading more about organic supplements like ns-eugenik.de/labor/zeolite.htm and organic supplements like biobran.org/ as well as the use of far intrared saunas and mats.
Web sources of info often are pushing info for financial gain. The German doctor speaking about cancer at a UK meeting (listed under multimedia tab of the last link mentioned above did however impress me with details how how the body fights off cancer and they research results of using the organic based supplement to enhance the bodies ability to attack and kill cancer cells.
What causes the metabolic syndrome is something I would like to really know so as to correct/prevent the syndrome. Using both organic and inorganic supplements to reverse Type 2 diabetes was a new one on me but I kind of followed the thinking involved. If supplements and light can help my family stay away from diabetes, cancer, etc, I want to understand how and why for sure.
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There are multiple facets of the syndrome, but the primary feature is insulin resistance, and AFAIK, the exact mechanisms are not known.
The two standard lifestyle prescriptions are to lose weight and reduce carb intake.
The primary reason to reduce weight is because it looks like "visceral" fat is the main culprit. The fat in your liver, pancreas, and in other tissues (not the subcutaneous storage fat) is causing organ dysfunction, insulin resistance, and inflammation.0 -
Some new evidence based studies are showing that a Ketogenic diet will not only prevent cancer, but possibly starve and put in remission ~ cancer. There was a hypothosis that cancer is a metabolic issue ~ from a guy in the 1920's.
There is a recent set of Dr.'s and researchers looking into to this now. I have been looking into this because I have two friends that are my age that now have cancer. I am trying to convince them to go on a ketogenic diet.
They way it works is this: The hypothosis states that cancer grows because of the elevated glucose levels (diabetics have more cancer than non.) When your body switches to fat/ketones, the cancer is deprived of its food and dies/remisses. There is also a lot of studies that fasting (ultimate Ketosis) and nutritional fasting/ketogenic diets increases a hormone called IGF1. That hormone protects you from cancer.
Here are a couple links:
A quick peek at the below book
Cancer diet: Fight with Ketogenic Diet
If you go to YouTube and search for ketogenic and cancer Med TedTalk there is an interesting video there where they talk about Keto & Cancer.
I will note, that you will probably find as many websites AGAINST Keto & cancer as for. So I just think its an interesting theory. Like I asked my cancer stricken friend, "What could it hurt?"
I hope this helps,
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To me, that is one of the most compelling features of ketosis: it starves any process of sugar. Some cancer cells need sugar. A lot of aging processes need sugar. If you can stick with it, you'll be young forever.
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This paper gives a pretty good overview of what we know about MetS:
http://www.wjgnet.com/2220-3168/pdf/v3/i3/18.pdf0 -
Some new evidence based studies are showing that a Ketogenic diet will not only prevent cancer, but possibly starve and put in remission ~ cancer. There was a hypothosis that cancer is a metabolic issue ~ from a guy in the 1920's.
They way it works is this: The hypothosis states that cancer grows because of the elevated glucose levels (diabetics have more cancer than non.) When your body switches to fat/ketones, the cancer is deprived of its food and dies/remisses. There is also a lot of studies that fasting (ultimate Ketosis) and nutritional fasting/ketogenic diets increases a hormone called IGF1. That hormone protects you from cancer.
Dan the Man from Michigan
Oh my! That is exciting! I was dx with breast cancer at the age of 30 and again at 32 so NOT getting it again is a huge plus. All the more reason to stay keto.
I so appreciate this info. Makes me more determined to reject the carbage and stick to keto.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I keep reading 'eating meat increases cancer risks' which concerns me since I eat more meat and fats since going Keto. I am not sure this is just the remains of doctors being taught Fat is bad. One cancer center MD. did clearly state carbs and to a lesser extent protein increases cancer risk where has fat does not increase cancer risk at all.
I'd argue that this, and all the other crap about "meat" or "red meat" being bad for us comes from fatally flawed studies. Every study I've seen on the matter has lumped regular cuts of meat with heavily processed "meat products." Sorry (not really), but there's a world of difference between a ribeye and an Oscar Meyer hotdog, and it's not just the physical shape.
Correction, there's one study I know of that doesn't do that. Thank you Forks Over Knives for this one -- let's give a bunch of rats who already have tumors a bunch of casein (which is already known to be a problematic protein, but is pretty exclusive to dairy), then claim that all animal proteins cause cancer! I felt my brain cells committing suicide one by one when I tried to watch that to see what all the fuss was about... Blatant and horrible logic leaps like that made me stop about halfway through.0 -
Overeating carbs on a regular basis, spikes insulin. Insulin is a dominant hormone.
I know it's a bit unpopular on this board, but I'll say it anyway: Physical exercise, especially strength training, helps alleviate the body's capacity to metabolize carbs without getting overwhelmed. Because bigger muscles can store more glycogen. Not sure how cardio fits into this, haven't seen anything on this yet. There's a study though about mitochondrial biogenesis that says LIT and cold temps among other things, invites more mitochondria. More mitochondria, more energy spent. So my guess is that any physical activity has a stronger effect than any one supplement can give if glucose metabolism is damaged. But then I'm partial to physical activity
I'm still researching the puzzle of my predicament and there's a lot of pieces I still haven't fully understood, so bear with me if I'm wrong and need to change my mind at some later stage 0 -
I watched the newest video of Dr. Robert Lustig on youtube and the newest theory is that high insulin is SUPPOSE to cause increased appetite.
Orangutans gorge on fruit when it is ripe like crazy. The sugar causes high insulin which overrides the leptin thats coming from fat cells to make them stop eating. They eat as much as they can and get fat on the fruit but when the fruit is gone, their insulin returns to normal. Food is then more scarce through the winter, but now they have fat reserves to help them survive.
Except humans dont have to stop eating high levels of fructose because food is available all year round now. An adaptation meant to prepare us for winter is now killing us.0 -
@GaleHawkins some of the helful information sources I have found are those by Jason Jung advocating an intersting approach to dealing with Insulin levels. Another interesting source was a series of interviews with Drs Rosedale, Westman and others by Shelly ??? listed under Me and My Diabetes. These interviews deal with a number of the issues you raise.0
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robert65ferguson wrote: »@GaleHawkins some of the helful information sources I have found are those by Jason Jung advocating an intersting approach to dealing with Insulin levels. Another interesting source was a series of interviews with Drs Rosedale, Westman and others by Shelly ??? listed under Me and My Diabetes. These interviews deal with a number of the issues you raise.
Hi Robert, I googled Jason Jung diabetes and got too much junk. Can you give me a link or more info so I can read about him?
Thank you,
Dan the Man from Michigan
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Very interesting thread GaleHawkins. I hope you find your answers, and that your friend will take your advice too.0
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robert65ferguson wrote: »@GaleHawkins some of the helful information sources I have found are those by Jason Jung advocating an intersting approach to dealing with Insulin levels. Another interesting source was a series of interviews with Drs Rosedale, Westman and others by Shelly ??? listed under Me and My Diabetes. These interviews deal with a number of the issues you raise.
Hi Robert, I googled Jason Jung diabetes and got too much junk. Can you give me a link or more info so I can read about him?
Thank you,
Dan the Man from Michigan
Here you are, Dan. Cheers.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/videoseries?list=PLhMVa_juzVPkejdWDaPpl6Lk7RykHJc7x
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That's Dr. Jason Fung. Excellent information.0
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Foamroller wrote: »
I know it's a bit unpopular on this board, but I'll say it anyway: Physical exercise, especially strength training, helps alleviate the body's capacity to metabolize carbs without getting overwhelmed.
Not really. A lot of us believe in strength/resistance training to maintain or increase muscle mass.0 -
I watched the newest video of Dr. Robert Lustig on youtube and the newest theory is that high insulin is SUPPOSE to cause increased appetite.
Orangutans gorge on fruit when it is ripe like crazy. The sugar causes high insulin which overrides the leptin thats coming from fat cells to make them stop eating. They eat as much as they can and get fat on the fruit but when the fruit is gone, their insulin returns to normal. Food is then more scarce through the winter, but now they have fat reserves to help them survive.
Except humans dont have to stop eating high levels of fructose because food is available all year round now. An adaptation meant to prepare us for winter is now killing us.
@LunaKate This makes SOOOOOO much sense. Our modern advances have allowed us to somewhat overwrite nature's intentions. While this helps in a general way, it seems that we were not genetically bred to deal with overabundance of anything for a long period. Talk about moderation in it's purest form! Definitely food for more thought.0 -
So pigging out on the fruit right before winter was OK because we needed to gain the weight and the window of access to this fruit was not open very long? I can see that possibility.0
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Yeah, I tend to agree. Also, fruit was not available all year round. It's seasonal and depending on geographical location, that varies.
I was thinking the other day about super sweet natural things like honey. It would not be constantly available. If you lived in the wild you might happen upon some every once in a while. I might imagine that you would have your fill of sweetness when you found it but it would not be an everyday occurrence.0 -
I just came across this guy via Abel James's podcast yesterday http://vinnietortorich.com/
Vinnie is a loudmouth but he is a leukemia survivor, thanks to keto, he says. 0 -
Foamroller wrote: »
I know it's a bit unpopular on this board, but I'll say it anyway: Physical exercise, especially strength training, helps alleviate the body's capacity to metabolize carbs without getting overwhelmed.
Not really. A lot of us believe in strength/resistance training to maintain or increase muscle mass.
Volek and Phinney promote the idea of resistance training in their book on the Art and Science of LC Living stating that it helps increase fat loss.
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Foamroller wrote: »Overeating carbs on a regular basis, spikes insulin. Insulin is a dominant hormone.
I know it's a bit unpopular on this board, but I'll say it anyway: Physical exercise, especially strength training, helps alleviate the body's capacity to metabolize carbs without getting overwhelmed. Because bigger muscles can store more glycogen. Not sure how cardio fits into this, haven't seen anything on this yet. There's a study though about mitochondrial biogenesis that says LIT and cold temps among other things, invites more mitochondria. More mitochondria, more energy spent. So my guess is that any physical activity has a stronger effect than any one supplement can give if glucose metabolism is damaged. But then I'm partial to physical activity
I'm still researching the puzzle of my predicament and there's a lot of pieces I still haven't fully understood, so bear with me if I'm wrong and need to change my mind at some later stage
From my own personal experience, I'd say strength training has a more direct effect on insulin and the sugar just goes along for the ride, not so much the other way around. Part of it may be due to glycogen, but the dramatic effects I've seen suggest that it's more than that. From personal experience, the act of strength training itself has massive effects on our hormones, insulin included (I have PCOS, and weight lifting is one of two things that give me my cycle back). I actually have tests that show my insulin level from when I was working out a lot (mostly strength, but some HIIT-esque cardio) and when I wasn't working out at all. When I stopped working out, my fasting insulin doubled, even though neither my blood sugar nor my weight changed, and despite having dropped my carb intake by 25-50 grams (protein remained stable) and maintained pretty much the same foods otherwise (so no dramatic change in diet that would account for the elevated insulin).
That said, I think the unpopular physical activity is steady-state moderate intensity cardio (ie - marathon running), due to its cortisol raising and muscle catabolizing effects, though some people here still partake in such activities. Most low carb people I know say that you should have a solid base from low intensity cardio (ie - walking, gardening, etc), and should include strength, HIIT, and/or sprints on a regular basis. The only time all activity is actively discouraged is in the first couple of weeks of dropping your carbs dramatically, because you risk overstressing your body and doing more harm than good. Once you're fat adapted, though, knock yourself out.0 -
Anybody doing the eccentric strength exercises in Bailor's book? I'm kind of digging them. 20 minutes. 1-2X per week.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eccentric_training0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »The only time all activity is actively discouraged is in the first couple of weeks of dropping your carbs dramatically, because you risk overstressing your body and doing more harm than good. Once you're fat adapted, though, knock yourself out.
Please are you able to expand on this Dragonwolf? (Even if it's in a new thread so as not to hijack this one.) I did quite a bit of aerobic exercise during my first 2 weeks and am now wondering if that's why I had such problems (both then, and for 4 weeks more).
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