Still can't breath without a snorkel

sea_dog
sea_dog Posts: 13 Member
edited November 15 in Social Groups
For some reason, I can't get the trick to breathing down.

I've tried a lot of different drills, I've started with an instructor, but no matter what I can't get the breathing down. I am fairly heavy, male, 5'10" @ 290 lbs, so I thought that maybe I wasn't moving fast enough as I don't create much of a bow wave to create a breathing pocket. I've tried swimming on my side to keep my head out, as a breathing drill, but my hips seem to drop so it's a struggle to stay on top of the water. I swim a lap in about 45 seconds, so it takes me 90 seconds to go up and back. I can swim for about 40 minutes with the snorkel, but I can't seem to rid myself of it. Any suggestions or tips?

Thanks,

SD

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  • Macstraw
    Macstraw Posts: 896 Member
    Have you tried practicing breathing either against the wall or with a kickboard?
  • Bruceapple
    Bruceapple Posts: 2,027 Member
    Relax breath natural, don't struggle, and fight; breath each stoke. Once you can breath each stroke the you can start counting strokes between breaths. I find my head about 1/2 lower goggle out of the water breathing / rotating.
  • fishgutzy
    fishgutzy Posts: 2,807 Member
    Something that helped me overall, was using fins for laps when I was up at 310#. It helped me get my butt and legs up. And that also helped get my head in a better breathing position.
    Another benefit was that the fins distributed the effort while I built upper body strength and endurance.
    Over time I found that my butt and legs stayed up without the fins. Mid or shorties like the TYR burned fins give enough lift to help improve a planar technique while not altering the kick as much as the longer fins do.
    I now only use the fins for kick board laps and swim 6000 yards a day minimum.
    Just keep at it. Never give up. Never surrender to that voice in your head that plays the old tapes. "Can't" will be removed from your vocabulary.
    And remember. You only have to do "one more lap."
  • Macstraw
    Macstraw Posts: 896 Member
    Another thing to remember is to not "over-breathe". By that I mean you don't need to fill your lungs to absolute maximum capacity & expel every molecule of breath. Think about doing cardio out of the water, like walking or running, you control your breathing. The same should hold true while swimming - just take in enough air to get you to the next time you need to take a breath & expel it at a consistent rate. If you take in too big a breath, it's difficult to "process" it in enough time & it can make you feel like you're hyperventilating yourself. Slow the process down & you'll feel more comfortable with it....
  • AquaticQuests
    AquaticQuests Posts: 947 Member
    edited March 2015
    Agreed with everyone here! Practise outside the pool how you intend to breathe inside the pool. Eg take a breath inwards on 1 and breathe out on 2 and 3 and 4 and breathe in and out on 2 and 3 and 4.

    Once you've done that try doing the same thing in the pool while not swimming, that is, take a breath in, then put your head under water and breathe out on 2 and 3 and 4 and keep repeating the pattern and get comfortable with the rythm of it, ensuring that you are not holding your breath at any point.
    At all times you are either breathing in, or breathing out!

    Then once you're comfortable with the rythm of the breathing, incorporate that same rhythmic breathing into your stroke.
    Eventually your aim should be that the breaths out should take twice, or thrice, or in some cases even four times as long as your breaths in.
    So while the ration may initially be 1:1, that should soon move to 1:2, then hopefully eventually 1:3.
    And if you sing, that breath control does wonders for your singing too, as your are able to hold a note and develop the ability to breathe out evenly for a much greater duration!
  • gentlygently
    gentlygently Posts: 752 Member
    Lots of good ideas here. I'd start with the breathing with kick board excercises and also calming everything down - go a bit slower, take a smaller breath, blow out smooth - so nothing is too stressed....
  • sea_dog
    sea_dog Posts: 13 Member
    Thanks to all, a lot of good tips. I will try to slow the process down, so I don't need too much oxygen. I usually practice this after my 50 laps, so maybe I am a little worn out then. I will also try to breath more naturaly, rather than try to expel all air, and inhale all. I will also order a pair of fins to see if that can raise my body higher and generate more power, planning, etc.

    Thanks,

    SD
  • Macstraw
    Macstraw Posts: 896 Member
    Please let us know what does and/or doesn't work for you.....
  • fishgutzy
    fishgutzy Posts: 2,807 Member
    sea_dog wrote: »
    I will also try to breath more naturaly, rather than try to expel all air, and inhale all. I will also order a pair of fins to see if that can raise my body higher and generate more power, planning, etc.

    Thanks,

    SD

    Are you exhaling in the water or when you raise to breathe?
  • AquaticQuests
    AquaticQuests Posts: 947 Member
    edited March 2015
    sea_dog wrote: »
    Thanks to all, a lot of good tips. I will try to slow the process down, so I don't need too much oxygen.
    SD

    The idea is not to to slow down the swims so as to need less oxygen, but rather to learn to breathe in a way that supplies sufficient oxygen, even when much is needed :smile:
    fishgutzy wrote: »
    sea_dog wrote: »
    I will also try to breath more naturaly, rather than try to expel all air, and inhale all. SD

    Are you exhaling in the water or when you raise to breathe?

    The answer to Gutzy's question may point you to what the solution to your problem might be!

  • stephenrhinton
    stephenrhinton Posts: 522 Member
    I can't get breathing right either ...in fact I can't get my head down at all in the forward crawl. 1) I cant get enough air, 2) I breathe in water and start coughing, 3) I get disoriented swiveling my head underwater and start swimming into the sides of the lane.

    Right now I'm swimming crawl down the pool (with my horrible head-up form), and backstroke on the way back. The backstroke feels much more natural and controlled to me.
  • fishgutzy
    fishgutzy Posts: 2,807 Member
    I can't get breathing right either ...in fact I can't get my head down at all in the forward crawl. 1) I cant get enough air, 2) I breathe in water and start coughing, 3) I get disoriented swiveling my head underwater and start swimming into the sides of the lane.

    Right now I'm swimming crawl down the pool (with my horrible head-up form), and backstroke on the way back. The backstroke feels much more natural and controlled to me.

    Getting the head down is key. That helps get your feet and butt up and everything flows better. I mentioned fins in your other thread. Give that a try. It will help get your form more planar.
    But most of all, just keep at it. Be persistent.
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  • Macstraw
    Macstraw Posts: 896 Member
    The idea isn't to slow down the swim itself, just get the feel of slowing down the process by not trying to breathe all the way in & all the way out. It sounds like you're actually trying too hard with the breathing, trying to do too much, & maybe creating a panicky feel for yourself because there isn't enough time to do it all. Start by working with a kickboard or holding onto the wall so that you're not cluttering your mind with a hundred stroke related thoughts while also trying to concentrate on breathing. Work on looking at the bottom of the pool & rotating the head to the side where your chin is just about touching your shoulder. Take in a smaller breath & when you put your face back in the water work on breathing out at a consistent rate instead of puffing it all out in a blast of air. Once you get comfortable add in trying to use it while swimming the crawl....
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