Becoming intolerant to Grain (apparently)
auntstephie321
Posts: 3,586 Member
I started cutting back on carbs from refined sources, then found this group and am toying with lchf but haven't totally perfected it yet. I recently went a few days without having really any refined breads or crackers or anything. Then the other night I had homemade enchiladas with flour tortillas. About 20 minutes after eating I could feel pressure in my throat. I have had this feeling many times before but always associated it with my thyroid that is enlarged and full of nodules. I'm almost positive it was caused by the tortilla. So yesterday at the store I bought some flax and whole wheat pita with very low carbs I thought it would work perfectly into my goals. I ate that at 12 today and now my throat feels swollen again.
I guess I assumed it was the more refined carbs that bothered me and something whole grain wouldn't.
Has anyone else had this experience? I feel I will have to cut grain out completely to avoid this happening again. Its fairly uncomfortable.
I guess I assumed it was the more refined carbs that bothered me and something whole grain wouldn't.
Has anyone else had this experience? I feel I will have to cut grain out completely to avoid this happening again. Its fairly uncomfortable.
0
Replies
-
Yes, not the same symptoms though. I get a burning sensation in my intestines when I eat something that doesn't agree with me. I found this to be the case with grain, dairy, cured meats and anything else that tastes really good... but what really feels good is the way I feel when I DON'T eat them, and that is worth so much more than food that makes me sick.0
-
Oh wow, thats gotta make it difficult for you. i'm kinda sad cuz I thought I would be able to eat some in moderation, but your right I don't want to have that feeling again.0
-
I cut out eating bread years ago, when we went gluten-free, yet somehow still thought I could indulge in a high quality" treat" every now and then. Never again. The last time I ate bread was almost 2 years ago, and it was a homemade loaf of spelt bread, given to me by my farmers, made with organic grains, stone ground, everything about it should have been good. We enjoyed it, but all felt sick afterwards. We ate it since it was prepared with love. Anyway, bloating, cramping, nausea and general tummy upset was the result. I gave the rest away, and will never eat bread again.
Even pre-LCHF, we gave up eating most grains, with the exception of a bit of rice about once per month. I don't like how I feel eating not only the gluten laden grains, but any grains, due to the carb content. I feel bloated and heavy eating them and it makes me gain weight.
Look around the internet for some recipes to try to replace your bread products with healthier options, like cauliflower and cheese to make "tortillas" or pizza. I used to make crepes out of a combo of chickpea flour and almonds when I was transitioning to grain free, but to tell you the truth, I don't crave those anymore, and have adapted slowly to the concept of grain free, and don;t want bread like foods most of the time, except maybe an almond meal and pysyllium husk roll every now and then.
Look around and try experimenting. In place of tortillas, I make an egg crepe, or use lettuce leaves.0 -
Kitnthecat wrote: »I cut out eating bread years ago, when we went gluten-free, yet somehow still thought I could indulge in a high quality" treat" every now and then. Never again. The last time I ate bread was almost 2 years ago, and it was a homemade loaf of spelt bread, given to me by my farmers, made with organic grains, stone ground, everything about it should have been good. We enjoyed it, but all felt sick afterwards. We ate it since it was prepared with love. Anyway, bloating, cramping, nausea and general tummy upset was the result. I gave the rest away, and will never eat bread again.
Even pre-LCHF, we gave up eating most grains, with the exception of a bit of rice about once per month. I don't like how I feel eating not only the gluten laden grains, but any grains, due to the carb content. I feel bloated and heavy eating them and it makes me gain weight.
Look around the internet for some recipes to try to replace your bread products with healthier options, like cauliflower and cheese to make "tortillas" or pizza. I used to make crepes out of a combo of chickpea flour and almonds when I was transitioning to grain free, but to tell you the truth, I don't crave those anymore, and have adapted slowly to the concept of grain free, and don;t want bread like foods most of the time, except maybe an almond meal and pysyllium husk roll every now and then.
Look around and try experimenting. In place of tortillas, I make an egg crepe, or use lettuce leaves.
I do a lot of gf baking as my sister has been gf for years. Most everyone in my family has problems with grain and certain foods, some more than others. I really never noticed it for myself, probaly because I ate so much of it. I wish I knew what it was that bothered me though, if it was the gluten, or wheat, or flax, or some other additive. It is clearly an allergic reaction though because I took a benadryl and it alleviated the discomfort in my throat.0 -
I was a bread fiend who brought cookies to work every Friday. That means I couldn't possibly have a problem with wheat, right?
Hah. I quit eating it and went from 12 sinus infections and a few bouts of bronchitis each year to 1 of each in 8.
There's a lot of talk of gluten issues being related to most autoimmune issues.0 -
Yes, that's a good point Twibbly. I forgot to mention that when we gave up eating wheat, My sinuses cleared up, one daughter didn't need her inhaler anymore and no longer has athsma, and my other daughter suddenly had no more digestive issues. It was amazing. None of us has even been tested for allergies or sensitivities, but I don't even care about that, I know how we all feel since giving it up. Now, we feel awful if we ever eat wheat again, so we must have sensitivities to it. Folks around me scoff at giving it up, but to me there is no question that it is the right thing to do. I bet lots of others could also benefit. And yes, you are right....I just don't get sick anymore ! But that could be due to not eating sugar as well.
Stbarber1, I guess if you were really curious about what exactly is bothering you, you could try eliminating all ingredients mentioned, then introduce them back one-by-one, maybe one item per week, and observe how you feel with each.
My family did go overboard on the gluten free baking idea thinking it was better than eating wheat, but found we feel even better by ditching the gluten free baking as well. When I say that I am referring to gluten free starches. My cupboards used to be filled with chickpea flour, pea flour, potato starch, quinoa flour, arrowroot and tapioca. I used to use a lot of flax and various nut meals as well, now not as much. I do still get almond meal, but use it much less than before. We did a grain-free, sugar-free Christmas baking exchange at our chiropractor's office and many of us made delicious baking, but I found that my body doesn't need even these treats. I will not lose weight and feel my best eating even these. So that's why I wanted to try going even lower carb and now I feel much better and I am losing weight steadily.0 -
I dropped all grains cold turkey the moment I decided to go low carb. My mornings were bowl of Cheerios and milk, the deadly combo. I couldn't figure out what the heck! I also had to drop fresh salads because they just don't go well with me. I now cook all my veggies, even tho they still bother me at time, I can tolerate them better. I did test my self for gluten but it came back negative, but my culprit is casein in dairies, mild sensitivity. I do eat cheese and heavy cream still. Maybe you can look into FODMAPs and see what might be causing issues, it's amazing how many foods are so irritating to our tummies0
-
I know. My sister has extensive knowledge on the food sensitivity and allergies. Both her children have mast cell activation syndrome. If my nephew even gets a whiff of a beer he will need his epi pen because of the gluten in it. I think I will just do my best to avoid it altogether0
-
You may have been intolerant all along but can now recognise the symptoms of being intolerant. Your body is telling you what it needs to work properly. Listen to it.0
-
Kitnthecat wrote: »We enjoyed it, but all felt sick afterwards. We ate it since it was prepared with love. Anyway, bloating, cramping, nausea and general tummy upset was the result. I gave the rest away, and will never eat bread again.
This is the same reaction I had after a small amount of wheat products after three weeks off. I felt awful for three days.0 -
I now fear I am getting too much fat. I looked at my weekly graph and inn eating 50% fat. I can't seem to get enough protein to meet the macros I have set. I keep telling myself fat is not bad but now I'm scared I'm going overboard with it.
0 -
I just took at peek at your diary. It looks like you could easily increase your fat goal and decrease your carb goal, just based on what you ate today. How do you feel ? In this group, 50% fat is not going overboard. I aim for 75% fat myself and have never had more energy.0
-
Kitnthecat wrote: »I just took at peek at your diary. It looks like you could easily increase your fat goal and decrease your carb goal, just based on what you ate today. How do you feel ? In this group, 50% fat is not going overboard. I aim for 75% fat myself and have never had more energy.
I feel great. I didn't think I was ready to go full keto, just lowering carb. I'm trying to make the best choices based on what I've learned recently. I still have this fear of fat though, I looked at my log and it freaked me out seeing that much fat.
0 -
Yeah, 75% fat is perfectly normal. For us at least. I feel better and have no cravings if I eat >70% fat.0
-
Right on ! Yes, it is normal for us. If you feel great, that's reason enough to feel good about the fat. Enjoy the fat!0
-
it's from all the years of brainwashing. I have to keep saying to myself "fat does not make you fat, fat does not make you fat" I'm also turning into the 'carb police' I watch my boyfriend eat and it's carb after carb after carb and then he feels sick. He doesn't understand why he always feels hungry even after eating a whole box of cereal and bowl of ice cream.0
-
Good thread, and OP thank you for sharing your experience. We have been brainwashed in many areas of nutrition. I have to wonder, and will never know, whether wheat contributed to my son's developing Crohn's :-(....No one in the family touches it now! AND, some troubling GI issues in my youngest, as well as eczema in two of my children - are completely gone!! So, with the type of reaction you are describing, you are wise to be very careful to stay far from wheat and gluten.
Best to you as you figure out your new WOE. We don't bake many "substitute" products (we are just doing healthy grassfed meat, fish, fats, and lots of veggies and grassfed yogurt and cheese) but when we do bake for a special occasion, we are using coconut flour as well as green plantains (these make fantastic pancakes for my children who are not necessarily "low carb" but are grain free).0 -
Thank you, best to you as yours as well. I think I may celebrate the day I remove the last bit of grain from my house0
-
OMG, I completely forgot that as well as breathing issues, and digestive issues, my daughter's eczema also disappeared when we gave up the wheat !0
-
Annoying new development. At brunch that I felt swelling in my throat after a ham onion and cheese omelet. I know eggs don't bother me as I eat those st home no problem. Could it be the shredded cheese? Is that somehow different than other cheese? I then ate a mini nut muffin and one side of my face including my ear went numb. So grain is out, apparently I need to keep proving that to myself lol0
-
Annoying new development. At brunch that I felt swelling in my throat after a ham onion and cheese omelet. I know eggs don't bother me as I eat those st home no problem. Could it be the shredded cheese? Is that somehow different than other cheese? I then ate a mini nut muffin and one side of my face including my ear went numb. So grain is out, apparently I need to keep proving that to myself lol
Possibly. Check the ingredients for the anti clumping agent they use. Usually, it's potato starch, but off brands might use flour or something.0 -
Annoying new development. At brunch that I felt swelling in my throat after a ham onion and cheese omelet. I know eggs don't bother me as I eat those st home no problem. Could it be the shredded cheese? Is that somehow different than other cheese? I then ate a mini nut muffin and one side of my face including my ear went numb. So grain is out, apparently I need to keep proving that to myself lol
did you eat out? many places, including but not limited to IHOP, put pancake batter in their omlettes to make them fluffier. You could have run into that.0 -
Yes it was a local restaurant. It's possibly, it was an egg mixture already mixed up so I don't know that it wasn't just eggs.0
-
Yes I find a clear reaction to a certain food better now that I am HFLC for sure. Once I started feeling good then when I ate something and started feeling bad quickly the light bulb flashes on. I get sick just thinking about my old eating lifestyle.0
-
Well snuck a few jelly beans and piece of chocolate bar late last night. I didn't think it's effect me. I immediately started feeling sick, shaky and warm with throat swelling. Then This morning woke up nausea's, went to work, got sick to my stomach and came home.
So now I'm getting worried that at some point I won't be able to eat anything. I used to eat these things daily but after eliminating them for a couple days, I can't eat them at all. Is this normal? How could I be fine before but now a week later can't tolerate it?0 -
It's not so much that you were fine before, but that now you've had a chance to improve how you "normally" feel. Your normal is better than before, even if you didn't realize it!0
-
I had a complete change in my attitude towards "sneaking treats" when I found that each time I did it, I felt so horrible afterwards, that it took away the enjoyment of that so-called treat. It's hard to say what all might be affecting you. It will likely be a trial and error experience for you as you notice how you feel after ingesting certain foods. It may happen to you as well, given time, that you will note that you no longer enjoy some of the foods or treats you used to enjoy, not only because your tastes have changed, but because you won't want to put your body through misery afterwards. It's hard and confusing at first, because we have sentimental attachment to certain foods that previously would give us comfort, so it's distressing to find that they don't perform the same role for us anymore. But it is really like a "light bulb" moment when you come to the realization that it is not worth it to eat those items anymore.
It looks like you haven't been feeling well due to eating these " treats". Why not try eliminating more sugar and grains from your diet, while making sure you eat enough fat ?
I hosted a big family Easter dinner yesterday, and made some keto dishes, but also some traditional dishes for my guests. My sister brought cake and cupcakes for dessert, but I no longer have a desire to even taste these kinds of dishes because I know I feel crappy if I do. There is no longer any appeal whatsoever for me. I sent all the sugary and starchy leftovers back out of my house with my guests, and that feels great. I did have a bit of sugar yesterday, but nowhere near the amounts I used to eat pre-LCHF. As a result, I have a bit of water retention this am, but will flush myself out with lots of water today, and I feel good.
I hope you feel better soon. But don't think that you won't be able to eat "anything". There are lots of great foods to eat on LCHF. You'll find your way.0 -
Many processed meats (ham, sliced turkey) have gluten. Also, a lot of chocolates have gluten although you can find wonderful chocolates that are gluten-free. I was surprised that licorice has gluten in it, so maybe the jellybeans could also?0
-
I agree with Kitnthecat. It is hard, very hard at first. That is why I suggested the alternatives. But, as you go along you find so many wonderful things that you can eat and that do not make you sick! Being low carb and gluten-free has made me so happy! For the first time in 13 years I am not ill. Trade-offs are so worth it once you become comfortable with the WOE.0
-
I know it's just a matter of getting used to it. I guess I thought I would be able to eat a little bit with no problem. I think it's both gluten/grain and sugar. Im not ruling out the possibility of food poisoning at brunch yesterday either.
Thanks for all the support, it really helps to be able to post how I feel and get rational responses instead of googling the worst possible outcomes0
This discussion has been closed.