meativore massive acid reflux

gsp90x
gsp90x Posts: 416 Member
edited November 13 in Social Groups
Whoa! OK, so this is new... kinda.

I'm having the most unbareable acid reflux!! Like spontaneously acid just shoots up into my mouth and nose! It burns people!

I used to only get this after I went on carb binges that lasted days! Now I'm getting it from what seems to be too much fat. Possible?

Also, the respiratory specialist says that this is very common in people with Asthma (I was recently diagnosed and it is not in any way under control yet) He says I have to get the reflux under control because it can trigger the attacks (I'm basically just having one long one that won't go away yet) His suggestion is to stop eating at least 4 hours before bed. I was already doing this... so now what. He seemed to miss that info.

So does the asthma trigger the reflux or the other way around? Anyone else have this problem with zero carb? Hopefully just at the beginning?

Any ideas for getting rid of it without breaking my meativore may challenge?

Tums, rolaids, all those calcium things seem to just stop if for an hour or so and then it is SOOO much worse after.

We uesd to have this stuff called Fermentol which would help ALOT but we can't find it anymore. The ingredients in Fermentol are:

The active ingredient is pepsin and alcohol U.S.P. to help remedy digestive problems. Nonmedicinal ingredients in alphabetical order are: Alcohol, D&C Green 5 and Yellow 10, FD&C Yellow 6, Flavour, Glycerin, Purified water, Sodium cyclamate, Sucrose. Hydrochloric acid and Sodium hydroxide to adjust pH.

Any ideas??? I'm trying to keep the fat down, but that means more meat. :(

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  • FIT_Goat
    FIT_Goat Posts: 4,224 Member
    I've never experienced this. You may try cutting down on the fat until you get used to it. Also, heavy seasonings might do it. A couple days of relatively lower fat shouldn't cause problems.
  • KarlaYP
    KarlaYP Posts: 4,436 Member
    Some people raise the head of their bed 6" by putting it on blocks. You may want to try a medicine like over the counter Zantac, and or Prilosec. If it doesn't go away you need to see your doctor. The asthma could possibly be resolved if you get this under control. You are aspiration stomach acid during your sleep is what it sounds like to me. Good luck! GERD is no fun! But yes, the asthma can be caused by the reflux.
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    Hopefully, Goat can chime in for whether it's normal for people new to this way of eating.

    However, my guess is that your new way of eating is increasing your requirement for stomach acid that your stomach hasn't met yet. As strange as this sounds, heartburn is more often caused by too little stomach acid, not too much. As I understand it, too little can cause the valves keeping the stomach contents in the stomach to not remain closed as tightly as it should.

    So, the remedy is actually to add more acid, as counterintuitive as that is. Take about a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar (white vinegar will work in a pinch, though may need more water) and mix it with 8oz of water and drink it (you can use more water if necessary). And yes, it's okay for the challenge. This falls under medicinal use.

    Also, what meats are you eating? Some people find that things like chicken or pork don't agree with them. If you're eating chicken or pork, try backing off and limiting yourself to beef and see if that changes how you feel. It might also be worth experimenting with grass fed and finished beef to see if it's soy and/or wheat proteins in the meat that you're reacting to.
  • glossbones
    glossbones Posts: 1,064 Member
    Prilosec really seems to help my husband with his acid reflux. Though it's been pretty tame since starting back on LCHF.
  • gsp90x
    gsp90x Posts: 416 Member
    @Dragonwolf, Yes, I believe you about the acid thing. The Fermentol that was helping actually says that there is hydrochloric acid as one of the ingredients so that got me thinking along the same lines as you. Also because the calcium things (tums, rolaids) where they would suppress or neutralize(I guess) the acid, make it SOOO much worse!

    I've tried zantac and didn't do much maybe prilosec I'll look into, but I'll try the vinegar thing first.

    Though we believe (long story) the asthma comes from allergies the Dr. also indicated that getting the reflux under control would likely help a lot. Though he wasn't much help in telling me how.

    As for raising the bed, yes, when I was little they had to do that for me. Now, I just prop myself up with some pillows for the night when it's bad.

    These are all great suggestions I'll try! Thank you!
  • gsp90x
    gsp90x Posts: 416 Member
    Oh my gosh, Dragonwolf you are a god send! I just finished my glass of ACV with water and, although not totally cured, whew, what a difference!! My gosh what a difference! I'll be able to sleep laying down tonight!
    Thank you!
  • GrannyMayOz
    GrannyMayOz Posts: 1,051 Member
    If all of that fails (and I sincerely hope that's not the case), I used to just get regular reflux - though it could get bad at times. I was more than 2 months into LC before it truly went away, and I had it again last night because we ate too close to bed time. Anyway, my solution that works is about half a teaspoon of bicarbonate in a very small glass of water and drink it down. Usually one dose solves it, occasionally I'll need to repeat. But it's lovely knowing I'm not consuming any chemical stuff, and it works.
  • AreteAndWhimsy
    AreteAndWhimsy Posts: 150 Member
    Hooray! That's good news! I hope that the trend continues! Keep us updated!
  • KarlaYP
    KarlaYP Posts: 4,436 Member
    Glad you found some relief! :)
  • gsp90x
    gsp90x Posts: 416 Member
    If all of that fails (and I sincerely hope that's not the case), I used to just get regular reflux - though it could get bad at times. I was more than 2 months into LC before it truly went away, and I had it again last night because we ate too close to bed time. Anyway, my solution that works is about half a teaspoon of bicarbonate in a very small glass of water and drink it down. Usually one dose solves it, occasionally I'll need to repeat. But it's lovely knowing I'm not consuming any chemical stuff, and it works.

    oh, yes, I've heard of this. I will definitely keep that in mind as well. Sorry you had is as well, but good to know that it is possibly also because of the diet change and hopefully will get better in all respects. :)

    Today, I'm going to try more eggs and less fat. :) So far so good.
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    gsp90x wrote: »
    Oh my gosh, Dragonwolf you are a god send! I just finished my glass of ACV with water and, although not totally cured, whew, what a difference!! My gosh what a difference! I'll be able to sleep laying down tonight!
    Thank you!

    :dance: Woot! Glad to hear it worked!
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    Dragonwolf wrote: »
    Hopefully, Goat can chime in for whether it's normal for people new to this way of eating.

    However, my guess is that your new way of eating is increasing your requirement for stomach acid that your stomach hasn't met yet. As strange as this sounds, heartburn is more often caused by too little stomach acid, not too much. As I understand it, too little can cause the valves keeping the stomach contents in the stomach to not remain closed as tightly as it should.

    So, the remedy is actually to add more acid, as counterintuitive as that is. Take about a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar (white vinegar will work in a pinch, though may need more water) and mix it with 8oz of water and drink it (you can use more water if necessary). And yes, it's okay for the challenge. This falls under medicinal use.

    Also, what meats are you eating? Some people find that things like chicken or pork don't agree with them. If you're eating chicken or pork, try backing off and limiting yourself to beef and see if that changes how you feel. It might also be worth experimenting with grass fed and finished beef to see if it's soy and/or wheat proteins in the meat that you're reacting to.

    I did a ton of research when my young daughter was diagnosed with GERD. Typically severe acid reflux and things like GERD are traditionally like 85% of cases) caused by not only having too little of acids, but many times, those people are missing an entire class of acids, and not always the same ones. That is why apple cider vinegar is ambrosia to some and hell in a glass to others. I believe that there is a particular type of apple cider vinegar that is raw/and has some other too it (Bragg's seems to ring a bell for some reason).

    But if ACV worsens someone's reflux, do some research. There are other types of acids you can add in - as the on the OP is looking for.

    Know too that if you problem is not enough acid, taking stuff like Prilosec, Zantac, and Pepcid can actually worsen the problem long term (this obviously does not affect everyone, but mainly those without enough acid) and cause you to become dependent on medications for life. You are better off identifying the acids missing (and yes, they can actually test this if you find a good doctor) and adding them in to your life.

    SAD/LF diet can cause this when started during development, as can drinking acid water regularly (most water is acidic and can be made more alkaline by adding salt - though I know you can buy more alkaline water, too), and basically confusing your gallbladder and bile system by majorly shifting high and low fat days. A lot of times, adding more fat can help balance this system out too.

    Also, as far as the flap not closing, one of the main things my daughter was taught to avoid is peppermint. It confuses the signal to close the flap over your stomach, allowing acid back up into the digestive tract and trachea, causing burns and pain.

    I can personally attest that I no longer have a gallbladder and still had bursts of bad heartburn for the last decade plus. Since going LCHF, I have only had one episode during adaption, and it had to do with drinking a lot of water while my stomach was digestion, causing some of the acid to float and give me horrible heartburn. I'm happy to report no episodes in a few months now... I wish any sufferers of this noting but peace and the best of luck. Heartburn/reflux is hell!
  • KarlaYP
    KarlaYP Posts: 4,436 Member
    Thank you @Knitormiss, this is great information! Thank you! With the healing that I have already seen I am hopeful that my GERD resolves too!
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    Yep, Bragg's is the common one. It's raw, unfiltered (with the "mother"). Since vinegar is fermented, kinds like Bragg's have the probiotics still in them, which can increase their benefit for medicinal purposes.

    But yeah, I second the observation that LCHF resolves heartburn issues (or can resolve them) in the long run. I've since found that refined carbs from any source, and even some non-refined, starchy carbs, are heart burn triggers for me.
  • iam4life
    iam4life Posts: 39 Member
    I have no solution--just chiming in that the meativore challenge has increased instances of heartburn for me, too, where I had none before either low-carb or SAD.
  • FIT_Goat
    FIT_Goat Posts: 4,224 Member
    edited May 2015
    Has the amount of fat you're eating increased significantly and are you trying to eat huge amounts (like the bad example I set by eating two pounds in a single meal)? Both of those can trigger issues.

    If you are adding fats or drinking bulletproof coffee type concoctions, I would cut those extra sources of fat out and see. It could help. You can see what I ate yesterday, which is not typical (I was out all day), but even without adding fats I was at 77% fat.

    Being at 75-80% fat is typical. Eating out all day is not. I prefer eating at home where I have more control.

    Edit: and don't judge me for the carbs in the denny's hearty breakfast sausage. I only notices that after I ate it. I wouldn't order it again anyway, the spices did not taste good to me. Would have been happier with more bacon.
  • gsp90x
    gsp90x Posts: 416 Member
    Yes, I find I'm sensitive to fats in certain forms. In a way I find it good because it forces me to balance things out. It's like a built in barometer with instant feedback when I've eaten too much fat. AND it's like that biofeedback training because the heartburn can last up to two days! AND in turn triggers my asthma and migrains so extra incentive to figure out what my body wants and stick to it. So, I just have black coffee, no butter. And I find I really have to watch the chicken skin/fat AND my body doesn't like bacon. :( Red meat, fish eggs are good. Chicken is good but I can only eat the amount of skin equal to the chicken part I'm eating (ie no stealing the skin from the Beast's chicken) and pork rinds are DEFINITELY out.

    As an aside, we were at Denny's for breakfast on the weekend and someone with us had... Gah, I don't remember but "spicy" was in the name and she said it was not spicy at all. She was disappointed with the spices there too.
  • AngInCanada
    AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
    Do you still gave a gallbladder? Before I got mine taken out I used to get that every time I ate anything with ANY amount of fat in it. Ouch!
  • wozy46
    wozy46 Posts: 115 Member
    Bump! Lots of good information here.
  • MyriiStorm
    MyriiStorm Posts: 609 Member
    Wow, @wozy46 thank you for bumping this! Just last night I had trouble sleeping due to reflux. It was good to be reminded about ACV, and good to know that some fats can be the culprit.
  • AlexandraCarlyle
    AlexandraCarlyle Posts: 1,603 Member
    Kombucha is an instant remedy for acid reflux. When my H was taking his diabetic meds, acid reflux was a dreadful side-effect of his medication.
    One small glass of kombucha and the effect was pretty instantaneous.
  • auntstephie321
    auntstephie321 Posts: 3,586 Member
    Digestive enzymes worked for me
  • MyriiStorm
    MyriiStorm Posts: 609 Member
    Kombucha is an instant remedy for acid reflux. When my H was taking his diabetic meds, acid reflux was a dreadful side-effect of his medication.
    One small glass of kombucha and the effect was pretty instantaneous.

    Does the sugar content of kombucha have an adverse effect on BG levels? I like kombucha, but have been hesitant to drink it regularly because of my T2D.
  • AlexandraCarlyle
    AlexandraCarlyle Posts: 1,603 Member
    There is actually very little sugar in Kombucha because the scoby has taken it all to brew the tea....
    1. Do I have to use sugar? I never consume sugar so it puts me off Kombucha.

    The sugar in Kombucha is for the culture to consume, not for you. When done fermenting, there will be about 2-6 grams per 8 ounce glass of unflavored Kombucha. By contrast, an 8 ounce glass of orange juice has about 24g of sugar. Natural carrot juices have 13g per 8 ounces. If fermented longer, say for 3 weeks or longer, sugar levels in Kombucha may be even lower – Recommended for diabetics and others with low sugar tolerance.

    2. Why does Kombucha need so much sugar?

    Without sugar, Kombucha cannot ferment. Sucrose is most easy to digest by the yeasts; they consume the sugar and put out CO2 (carbon dioxide, i.e. the bubbles in your booch) & ethanol (alcohol). Which is nice.

    From here.
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