Opionion: Makes sense or bullshite?
Keliandra
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo3TRbkIrowThe bottom line is that the cause of garden-variety obesity is relatively simple: Excess (processed) carbs increases insulin which increases fat storage and blocks leptin.
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Yes, of course this makes sense. This is one of the main reasons I gave up grains and sugar years ago....when I learned about leptin.0
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Makes perfect sense. There was a TedTalk that was JUST released on the subject of low carbing to reverse diabetes and insulin resistance.
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Makes perfect sense. There was a TedTalk that was JUST released on the subject of low carbing to reverse diabetes and insulin resistance.
I'll post it later when I get off mobile
Tedx, but ya:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ
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I don't know if it makes sense or not -- there's a lot of learned people out there who think it is *kitten*.
I honestly don't even care anymore. All I know is that there is absolutely something physically wrong with me -- even though I haven't been diagnosed with anything -- that low carb fixes. I trust the science will eventually catch up to my reality but until then it works. And that's good enough for me.
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Sounds reasonable to me :-). Back when I ate *kitten* loads of carbs, I was always hungry. Always. Also was in a pre diabetic state. My blood sugars were all kinds of screwed up.0
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I agree add this to the launch pad...0
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Thx, I sent this over to my mum, so that she understands why I took myself off of my insulin.0
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Awesome videos. Am sending to my daughter. She's a vegetarian & needs to eat every 2 hrs or she feels ill. But I bet it's the pasta & rice. Nice to have such a thorough & understandable explanation.0
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AlabasterVerve wrote: »I don't know if it makes sense or not -- there's a lot of learned people out there who think it is *kitten*.
I honestly don't even care anymore. All I know is that there is absolutely something physically wrong with me -- even though I haven't been diagnosed with anything -- that low carb fixes. I trust the science will eventually catch up to my reality but until then it works. And that's good enough for me.
I hear you loud and clear. Although I do think this makes sense. I know that same situation where they search and search for something wrong with you, you KNOW there's something wrong with you. You're not making it up. Thankfully, we've both found low carb. Kinda pisses me off that I had to live almost 40 years in that pain, fog and lethargy. People critisizing me telling me i was lazy and a fat slob/pig. THAT is what is bullshite if you ask me!0 -
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I think everyone has a different carbohydrate tolerance. We have all seen the skinny people that can eat a ton of carbs and stay nice and slim, I am still trying to figure out exactly what my tolerance is, if I eat too few I do feel bad, but definately feel better on a lower carb diet than higher carb, usually try to stay under 50 grams per day.0
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Just the encouragement I need to "stay the course"...thanks for posting this link re: the benefits of low carb.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10158994/opionion-makes-sense-or-bullshite#latest0 -
I think everyone has a different carbohydrate tolerance. We have all seen the skinny people that can eat a ton of carbs and stay nice and slim
Don't forget that, although they may be slim, they are probably not healthy. At least overweight folks, like me, know they need to fix something.
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Makes sense to me!
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GrannyMayOz wrote: »I think everyone has a different carbohydrate tolerance. We have all seen the skinny people that can eat a ton of carbs and stay nice and slim
Don't forget that, although they may be slim, they are probably not healthy. At least overweight folks, like me, know they need to fix something.
In the linked video, the Dr. says that up to 25% of normal weight people are actually pre diabetic.
People with normal bmi have heart attacks and strokes too.
Maybe I'm lucky that I had a visible manifestation of my problem with carbs.
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Thanks for the TED talk link. Now that we have more MD's speaking out it helps remove the question marks that have been put behind eating low carb as a lifestyle. Having found LCHF by accident (just evolved into it) when researching pain control by food to eat and to not eat instead of for weight loss makes my motivation unusual. Once I broke the carb addiction and most of the debilitating pain faded away I knew I could stay off carbs for the rest of my life.
While I have only been off carbs (<50 grams daily) for 8 months my general health is better than it was 20 years ago when I was 44. Already I see people that are in the same boat as I only a year ago and I so want to tell them about what low carbing has meant to me. When I have mentioned it the level of interest approached .003%.
Like I was a year ago people do not see some foods can make one sick and just learning what they are and stop eating them can lead to recovering health.
The one potential good point that may come out of socialized medicine paid for by the taxpayers is treating diabetes, etc, etc with food vs Rx meds.0 -
Here is another interesting link I found.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/5-ways-to-improve-insulin-sensitivity
I like this quote: "Achieving a relative calorie deficit is still the most important piece of the fat loss puzzle – it's just not the only one. Of almost equal importance is understanding the metabolic and hormonal affects of food and then using that knowledge to develop a targeted plan of action."0 -
Thank you thank you thank you for posting both of those videos. They are great. Made so much sense to me, this seems to describe what happens to me when I am not eating low carb. This helps motivate me to stay the course with low carb. 0
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True, I was diagnosed diabetic about a month ago and my sugars were really really high... Tried low glycemic index for two weeks and didn't get anywhere And the I did 80 carbs or less and didn't get anywhere ...so I've been back to low-carbing for a week and I started actually losing weight after fighting for so long AND My daily blood sugars are fairly close to "normal"..
Of course that is with the medication but I didn't have the results until I went low-carb, I'm trying to do what I can do to avoid being put on insulin and I feel the first place to start is with my diet.0 -
I just received the doctor's endorsement to stop taking my insulin and stay LCHF. I think she wants to study me
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I just received the doctor's endorsement to stop taking my insulin and stay LCHF. I think she wants to study me
Awesome! I feel that way with my endocrinologist... I know his initial instinct was to have me go back to taking Metformin to handle the insulin resistance, but he also realized my dietary compliance would suffer and agreed that continued compliance was more important since everything else was improving..0 -
I'm still on 2k Met a day.0
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I have a feeling I might have to go back on Met for a while. Even doing this carnivore diet for the past month, my fasting blood sugar this morning was 115mg/dL.
I'd be okay with it, actually, as long as it actually works this time around. I'll probably see about getting the standard, since that's what I was on first, and the extended release seemed to be of limited effectiveness.
I need something to break this hyperinsulinemia cycle, and so far, diet alone hasn't really been working (or only very limited in its effect), Inositol isn't quite enough, either, and my back is keeping me from the high intensity stuff that might actually help.
And as for the videos -- yes, makes perfect sense, and I actually cheered listening to them, because it's what I've been saying for years. Parallels my experience perfectly (the only time I've been able to lose weight is when I've gotten my fasting insulin under 15 of whatever the units used in the US are). I'm even on a diet that anyone with a modicum of insulin sensitivity would start having difficulty keeping weight on, and most people start seeing their blood sugar drop after 3-4 weeks of not even as extreme as I've gone, and still have plateaued after a 10lb drop (which was the most I've seen since going off Met the last time nearly a year ago).
I think I might give it until the end of the month (so it's the full cycle and so I can see if it's not hormone stupidity that's making the scale be stupid). If there's still not much change to speak of in scale and/or measurements since my May 1 measurements, I think I might call my primary doctor and see about another set of tests (since the other ones are nearly 6 months old at this point), and talk to her about trying regular Metformin if my insulin is still running high. At this point, I think I just need something to break that cycle and get the ball rolling.0 -
Should I link the first video's series, too? Lustig gets on my nerves but I can't disagree with him. He's really respectable and non-immflamatory in the series.0
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Dragonwolf wrote: »I have a feeling I might have to go back on Met for a while. Even doing this carnivore diet for the past month, my fasting blood sugar this morning was 115mg/dL.
I'd be okay with it, actually, as long as it actually works this time around. I'll probably see about getting the standard, since that's what I was on first, and the extended release seemed to be of limited effectiveness.
I need something to break this hyperinsulinemia cycle, and so far, diet alone hasn't really been working (or only very limited in its effect), Inositol isn't quite enough, either, and my back is keeping me from the high intensity stuff that might actually help.
And as for the videos -- yes, makes perfect sense, and I actually cheered listening to them, because it's what I've been saying for years. Parallels my experience perfectly (the only time I've been able to lose weight is when I've gotten my fasting insulin under 15 of whatever the units used in the US are). I'm even on a diet that anyone with a modicum of insulin sensitivity would start having difficulty keeping weight on, and most people start seeing their blood sugar drop after 3-4 weeks of not even as extreme as I've gone, and still have plateaued after a 10lb drop (which was the most I've seen since going off Met the last time nearly a year ago).
I think I might give it until the end of the month (so it's the full cycle and so I can see if it's not hormone stupidity that's making the scale be stupid). If there's still not much change to speak of in scale and/or measurements since my May 1 measurements, I think I might call my primary doctor and see about another set of tests (since the other ones are nearly 6 months old at this point), and talk to her about trying regular Metformin if my insulin is still running high. At this point, I think I just need something to break that cycle and get the ball rolling.
Maybe you need the nudge. If you need it for a brief period, then do it. I was listening to a Perlmutter podcast yesterday and the literature shows that a fasting reading that high isn't good long-term. Finish the cycle and then give the Met a trial. If you need it, you need it. Which isn't the same as treating the symptoms and NOT the cause. Because you have been treating the cause.
It's tiring to have to constantly tweak, I know, but with every experiment we are getting closer to our body's truth.0 -
This group and this post has helped me so much. I appreciate this group more than any other. As I sit here writing this, I am fighting my overwhelming fatigue that has plagued me pretty much daily for years (apparently there is nothing wrong with me either, I must be depressed is what I'm told over and over, which is fine if that was my problem, but I'm not depressed), but I am friggin' tired every single day, have digestive, neck and back, and joint pain/problems, plus just trying to drop 40lbs. But I never fit into any "box" nicely so "there's nothing wrong with me" and I won't go into my list because it makes me look like a hypochondriac or somewhat crazy, but I'm pretty sure it is some sort of auto-immune problem I have and I think it's Ankylosing Spondylitis (I know I have colitis and gastritis and acid reflux) so I started in April just trying to cut out gluten to see if it helps, it did, but in this quest, I also remembered how good I felt when I was doing the Atkins diet and decided to reduce my carbs also (which wasn't that hard since I had already cut out gluten) and increase my fats. I have dropped 10lbs, but most importantly my digestive issues, which is really the reason I started this, have almost totally gone away. I "feel" better and truly believe gluten and simple carbs do not work well in my body, now if this helps my fatigue in any way shape or form, I can live with the other things. The point to my long winded post was THANKS LCHF group, thanks!0
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walkinthedogs wrote: »This group and this post has helped me so much. I appreciate this group more than any other. As I sit here writing this, I am fighting my overwhelming fatigue that has plagued me pretty much daily for years (apparently there is nothing wrong with me either, I must be depressed is what I'm told over and over, which is fine if that was my problem, but I'm not depressed), but I am friggin' tired every single day, have digestive, neck and back, and joint pain/problems, plus just trying to drop 40lbs. But I never fit into any "box" nicely so "there's nothing wrong with me" and I won't go into my list because it makes me look like a hypochondriac or somewhat crazy, but I'm pretty sure it is some sort of auto-immune problem I have and I think it's Ankylosing Spondylitis (I know I have colitis and gastritis and acid reflux) so I started in April just trying to cut out gluten to see if it helps, it did, but in this quest, I also remembered how good I felt when I was doing the Atkins diet and decided to reduce my carbs also (which wasn't that hard since I had already cut out gluten) and increase my fats. I have dropped 10lbs, but most importantly my digestive issues, which is really the reason I started this, have almost totally gone away. I "feel" better and truly believe gluten and simple carbs do not work well in my body, now if this helps my fatigue in any way shape or form, I can live with the other things. The point to my long winded post was THANKS LCHF group, thanks!
Woot! That's great to hear! I've seen this way of eating and its cousins do some pretty miraculous things, so I wouldn't be surprised if you start getting more energy, even if it takes a while. \o/baconslave wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »I have a feeling I might have to go back on Met for a while. Even doing this carnivore diet for the past month, my fasting blood sugar this morning was 115mg/dL.
I'd be okay with it, actually, as long as it actually works this time around. I'll probably see about getting the standard, since that's what I was on first, and the extended release seemed to be of limited effectiveness.
I need something to break this hyperinsulinemia cycle, and so far, diet alone hasn't really been working (or only very limited in its effect), Inositol isn't quite enough, either, and my back is keeping me from the high intensity stuff that might actually help.
And as for the videos -- yes, makes perfect sense, and I actually cheered listening to them, because it's what I've been saying for years. Parallels my experience perfectly (the only time I've been able to lose weight is when I've gotten my fasting insulin under 15 of whatever the units used in the US are). I'm even on a diet that anyone with a modicum of insulin sensitivity would start having difficulty keeping weight on, and most people start seeing their blood sugar drop after 3-4 weeks of not even as extreme as I've gone, and still have plateaued after a 10lb drop (which was the most I've seen since going off Met the last time nearly a year ago).
I think I might give it until the end of the month (so it's the full cycle and so I can see if it's not hormone stupidity that's making the scale be stupid). If there's still not much change to speak of in scale and/or measurements since my May 1 measurements, I think I might call my primary doctor and see about another set of tests (since the other ones are nearly 6 months old at this point), and talk to her about trying regular Metformin if my insulin is still running high. At this point, I think I just need something to break that cycle and get the ball rolling.
Maybe you need the nudge. If you need it for a brief period, then do it. I was listening to a Perlmutter podcast yesterday and the literature shows that a fasting reading that high isn't good long-term. Finish the cycle and then give the Met a trial. If you need it, you need it. Which isn't the same as treating the symptoms and NOT the cause. Because you have been treating the cause.
It's tiring to have to constantly tweak, I know, but with every experiment we are getting closer to our body's truth.
Yep, that's pretty much my train of thought. Right after I posted that, I remembered about using cinnamon supplementation to lower insulin. I'm thinking about trying that, first, since it doesn't need titrated up necessarily, and should act more quickly. I think I'm still going to call my doctor and see if I can get an insulin test (hopefully without appointments, I don't need them, just the number), just so I can see where I currently am, then try out the cinnamon and see if it makes a difference between now and my endo appointment.0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »walkinthedogs wrote: »This group and this post has helped me so much. I appreciate this group more than any other. As I sit here writing this, I am fighting my overwhelming fatigue that has plagued me pretty much daily for years (apparently there is nothing wrong with me either, I must be depressed is what I'm told over and over, which is fine if that was my problem, but I'm not depressed), but I am friggin' tired every single day, have digestive, neck and back, and joint pain/problems, plus just trying to drop 40lbs. But I never fit into any "box" nicely so "there's nothing wrong with me" and I won't go into my list because it makes me look like a hypochondriac or somewhat crazy, but I'm pretty sure it is some sort of auto-immune problem I have and I think it's Ankylosing Spondylitis (I know I have colitis and gastritis and acid reflux) so I started in April just trying to cut out gluten to see if it helps, it did, but in this quest, I also remembered how good I felt when I was doing the Atkins diet and decided to reduce my carbs also (which wasn't that hard since I had already cut out gluten) and increase my fats. I have dropped 10lbs, but most importantly my digestive issues, which is really the reason I started this, have almost totally gone away. I "feel" better and truly believe gluten and simple carbs do not work well in my body, now if this helps my fatigue in any way shape or form, I can live with the other things. The point to my long winded post was THANKS LCHF group, thanks!
Woot! That's great to hear! I've seen this way of eating and its cousins do some pretty miraculous things, so I wouldn't be surprised if you start getting more energy, even if it takes a while. \o/baconslave wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »I have a feeling I might have to go back on Met for a while. Even doing this carnivore diet for the past month, my fasting blood sugar this morning was 115mg/dL.
I'd be okay with it, actually, as long as it actually works this time around. I'll probably see about getting the standard, since that's what I was on first, and the extended release seemed to be of limited effectiveness.
I need something to break this hyperinsulinemia cycle, and so far, diet alone hasn't really been working (or only very limited in its effect), Inositol isn't quite enough, either, and my back is keeping me from the high intensity stuff that might actually help.
And as for the videos -- yes, makes perfect sense, and I actually cheered listening to them, because it's what I've been saying for years. Parallels my experience perfectly (the only time I've been able to lose weight is when I've gotten my fasting insulin under 15 of whatever the units used in the US are). I'm even on a diet that anyone with a modicum of insulin sensitivity would start having difficulty keeping weight on, and most people start seeing their blood sugar drop after 3-4 weeks of not even as extreme as I've gone, and still have plateaued after a 10lb drop (which was the most I've seen since going off Met the last time nearly a year ago).
I think I might give it until the end of the month (so it's the full cycle and so I can see if it's not hormone stupidity that's making the scale be stupid). If there's still not much change to speak of in scale and/or measurements since my May 1 measurements, I think I might call my primary doctor and see about another set of tests (since the other ones are nearly 6 months old at this point), and talk to her about trying regular Metformin if my insulin is still running high. At this point, I think I just need something to break that cycle and get the ball rolling.
Maybe you need the nudge. If you need it for a brief period, then do it. I was listening to a Perlmutter podcast yesterday and the literature shows that a fasting reading that high isn't good long-term. Finish the cycle and then give the Met a trial. If you need it, you need it. Which isn't the same as treating the symptoms and NOT the cause. Because you have been treating the cause.
It's tiring to have to constantly tweak, I know, but with every experiment we are getting closer to our body's truth.
Yep, that's pretty much my train of thought. Right after I posted that, I remembered about using cinnamon supplementation to lower insulin. I'm thinking about trying that, first, since it doesn't need titrated up necessarily, and should act more quickly. I think I'm still going to call my doctor and see if I can get an insulin test (hopefully without appointments, I don't need them, just the number), just so I can see where I currently am, then try out the cinnamon and see if it makes a difference between now and my endo appointment.
Be careful on the cinnamon. I eat it all the time, but when I switched to a supplement, it broke me out in a rash! It was either that or the flax or the combo, so just be wary of trying different types...0
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