I would think that neither is particularly spectacular. You need a certain level of protein to maintain your existing levels of muscle health.

I always think of carbs as a limit, protein as a range (better explanation in the link below for amounts), and fat only to satiety.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/KnitOrMiss/view/how-to-calculate-your-protein-needs-749965

This helps with overall macros, too: http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/

Longer term, most folks find that high protein low fat is NOT SUSTAINABLE because it is hard on your kidneys. But some people are wired to better use protein, so it's really a case of finding what works for you.

THERE IS NO ONE RIGHT TYPE OF KETO.

What I would suggest, probably, is to use the first calculator to get an idea of what your range should be, use the second one to work out the rest of your macros. I would personally start at the lower end of the protein range unless you do a lot of heavy lifting and such. Then, maybe every 2-4 weeks, adjust a little more protein/a little less fat if it just isn't cutting it for you...

But: the first 4 weeks you just need to get in and adjust to the program. I do not recommend restricting calories during this time. That more than triples your chances of failing. Adjusting is difficult. Electrolytes must be well managed and salt dramatically increased.... There are a huge number of factors...

In my experience people fall into what is right for them after they start. My protein is often "too high" and my fat "too low", but it's what works for me, I'm one who can use protein very well.

KnitOrMiss wrote: »

I would think that neither is particularly spectacular. You need a certain level of protein to maintain your existing levels of muscle health.

I always think of carbs as a limit, protein as a range (better explanation in the link below for amounts), and fat only to satiety.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/KnitOrMiss/view/how-to-calculate-your-protein-needs-749965

This helps with overall macros, too: http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/

Longer term, most folks find that high protein low fat is NOT SUSTAINABLE because it is hard on your kidneys. But some people are wired to better use protein, so it's really a case of finding what works for you.

THERE IS NO ONE RIGHT TYPE OF KETO.

What I would suggest, probably, is to use the first calculator to get an idea of what your range should be, use the second one to work out the rest of your macros. I would personally start at the lower end of the protein range unless you do a lot of heavy lifting and such. Then, maybe every 2-4 weeks, adjust a little more protein/a little less fat if it just isn't cutting it for you...

But: the first 4 weeks you just need to get in and adjust to the program. I do not recommend restricting calories during this time. That more than triples your chances of failing. Adjusting is difficult. Electrolytes must be well managed and salt dramatically increased.... There are a huge number of factors...

^^yep. Agreed. :-)

The low carb high fat group on Facebook are very lovely... they follow the lowcarbisland.com way of eating.

Krisafb- Personally I do best with high fat,moderate protein & low carbs.

Yes, me too..

it was my mistake to assume that "Blue" for me is the same a "Blue" for them hahaahah. they come off like a cult.

I get a bit miffed by all the what is keto discussions as well. Ketogenic eating is NOT a version of a weight loss diet. Its an often long-term therapeutic method of eating, which may alleviate or, with some luck, cure various serious conditions. What the vast majority of folk are talking about on MFP are lower carb/higher fat diets (LCHF diets), set at various levels of severity and variating, depending on what books you have read and who you have chosen for your current diet guru.

A ketogen diet is, (IMO the first focus) as low in protein as is necessary to provide an indididual's necessary nourishment, because any extra protein converts to carbs and then is stored as fat. Your carbs are also very low (around 20g or lower) because you want to force the body out of a carb burning state into a fat-burning state and have it stay there to provide the therapeutic effects. The vast majority of caloric input will be fat.

I wish we were all more purist and just talked about LCHF diets, which vary a lot and all work with different variations of nutrients and so forth, and all equally valid and effective for most people who are fatter than they want to be. I would be very rich if I got a £ for every person on MFP or other forums who go straight from weight watchers to 'keto' and then have problems, both because they have no useful knowledge base and no will to do the hard work - as someone has rightly said already on this thread, there isn't too much 'wiggle room' with a real ketogenic diet! This way of eating can get quite obsessive, because sometimes its a life & death matter. Why do it if that sort of stringency isn't needed?

I just thought keto was eating low enough carbs so one makes ketones. I didn't think there were divisions between high fat or higher protein. I thought that was just a personal choice.

I follow high fat with 5%C, 20-25%P, and 70-75%F. It seems to work for me. If I was very active I would bump up my protein a bit more, or try to.