More tripe (or rather reasons to push whole grains) from the usual suspects
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sweetteadrinker2 wrote: »I was a vegetarian for several years, very healthy, not overweight(till I ate too many simple carbs, which are the worst for me), and had excellent health markers. BUT, animals, their consumption, their processing, not a problem. Now, how we raise them? Giant freaking problem from many standpoints, but not raising them at all is also misguided. Lab meat, also a problem. We need to do as fitgoat suggests, use the right lands for the right things, not to grow corn.
If it's really doable, I'll be glad to add bison, sheep, goats, and whatever else to my diet.
I am a little worried over game meat like deer since concentrating them in artificial feeding areas has spread CJD and my memory is already spotty, plus my poor mind is all I have left in this world, I'd like to keep it prion free. Then again, if we start importing beef from everywhere with no origin labels, it could still become an issue. *shrug*0 -
I would love to see a geek's worth of vegan LCHF food diary. I love te grass Fed meat we get here but am genuinely interested to know how one can do LCHF on vegan. Just to have more options!0
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Me too. I imagine it would require more planning.0
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Not a geek, lol!, a week....0
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Lol....I think the geek is more interesting than the vegan food. I might survive one day without meat, or just fast instead.0
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Maybe many here do not know WHY the change to eating grains happened??
Good Calories/Bad Calories by Gary Taubes* explains it well…but the basic story is fighting Heart Disease (Eisenhower, the president, had several heart attacks) so from the 60s on Ancel Keyes- with his "7 countries*" research pushed grains, Dr. Adkin's was jeered and tossed out for promoting fats, so an entire NATION was told to eat 45-65% grains a day… BigAgri loved it.
A clear case of a government intruding where it had no idea what it was doing…to our detriment.
(a 1994 McGill study revealed reducing saturated fats to 8 % of calories for a Lifetime would increase your life by 4 days to 2 months…..maybe. *pp 65)
At the same time the eco-natzis of the day Dr. Pritikin pushed no fat, Lamoore-Lappe published "Diet for a Small Planet", and then "Population Bomb" book scared everyone… also a damaging book on the meat processing industry influenced all this convoluted "do-good" thinking which misguided an entire nation to eat at "bottom of the food chain"..save the planet, stop animal farts (oh wait, that's the new reason) etc.
The worst part of this? there was NO Nutrition Study..not one..to show this was nutritionally sound. There are some nasty quotes made by some experts to the effect: " biggest trick foisted on an unaware public" by Keyes, and his cohorts. It was all an ego trip by him and some politicians. (*20 countries were studied, but Keyes selectively altered the results)
Since 1970 If you look at the USA "obesity map" ..the 50 states quickly jump from (healthy) green to deep red over 30 years of high grains indicating this push of grains did not effect the citizens positively...
By 2050 diabetes is expected to impact fully 50% of all US Americans..with kids so fat already this seems realistic. Increase in dialysis of 600% in the same 30 years**
70% of people with diabetes are aware they HAVE diabetes, but almost NO ONE knows their kidney function, yet 20 million adults are already in Stage 2-4, and get a big ugly shock too late that dialysis is needed, mostly because our MDs never tell the patient in advance, deeming it unlikey they can help themselves with diet anyway. (Looking at how unwilling people are to give up processed and sugary foods, they may be right. But at least give people the option to save themeslves with proper nutrition!) CVD, Diabetes, Dialysis are all interlinked, with diet at the center.
Yet ONLY the European,Chinese, Swedish kidney docs look at diet to slow failure.)
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** Yearly costs for treating a patient on HemoDialysis are nearly triple the costs for treating a transplant patient
Between 1980 and 2009, the prevalent rate for EndStageRenalDisease increased nearly 600 percent, from 290 to 1,738 cases per million.-- the US Gov pays for 100% of dialsysis cost, it will bankrupt Medicare in another decade or two. "Forecast of the number of patients with end-stage renal disease in the United States to the year 2010." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11729245 ( does not include 100,000+ illegal aliens currently using US hospital ERs for weekly dialysis care, at triple the cost of normal in-clinic dialysis..mostly in TX counties and border states with Mexico) <<< where the US Government SHOULD be doing its job to protect the borders.
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totaloblivia wrote: »Not a geek, lol!, a week....
I was sure we'd get a vegan geek to volunteer.
Maybe an upcoming challenge? No meat November? I think it'd be more doable if fish and eggs were allowed.0 -
Low carb and exercise
So cheap
So easy
So effective
No way the government or medical beauracracy could possibly support that0 -
totaloblivia wrote: »Not a geek, lol!, a week....
I was sure we'd get a vegan geek to volunteer.
Maybe an upcoming challenge? No meat November? I think it'd be more doable if fish and eggs were allowed.
That's a good one @wabmester We'll have to remember it for the end of October and suggest it when it comes up. My husband is getting fed up with our new much-more-meat-filled diet. I don't think I could be vegan for a month but it would be a great challenge to be vegetarian for a month: (a) to see I could do it and (b) to cleanse the palate as it were before Christmas (in the UK we don't have thanksgiving which may be a barrier for US folks going no-meat in November) which tends to be heavy on the meat.
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They say there's no one as fundamentalist as a recent convert but I know the differences it made to my health. I can't even begin to tell how angry I am regarding all the "healthy grains" advice.
For 25+ years I was a vegetarian/vegan/macrobiotic. The only thing that never changed was my faith that I was doing what best I could for my health, the animals and the planet (I just had been unlucky with my genetics it seemed). I feel like they robbed me of at least 10 years of life and turned to mush a brain that used to be very good.
I started LCHF because of diabetes and, really, I have to thank Google and the disease for waking me up and meat/fat for lifting my brain fog. I have meat at every meal, many times just meat, and that's how I intend to stay. I don't even like meat that much but who cares, when the benefits to my body/mind are so obvious?0 -
Yes @KetoGirl83! I'm angry about the "whole grains" push too! It's robbed me of far too much life! I'm so happy that I accidentally found the LCHF woe! It's giving me life again! That can't be disputed!0
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I prefer to vote with my dollars and try to buy mostly grass-fed beef and free range chickens from local farms. I may not be able to afford a lot, pay extra and find creative ways to stretch it (ground zucchini in ground beef recipes, delicious and nutritious), but at least I know my family and I are getting quality food and I am supporting ethical treatment of animals and not supporting CAFOs.
I do believe that we can safely increase animal production if we decrease corn, wheat and soy production.0 -
If we were to change the steak banner image, then it should be bacon. Because bacon..... lol.0
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sweetteadrinker2 wrote: »I was a vegetarian for several years, very healthy, not overweight(till I ate too many simple carbs, which are the worst for me), and had excellent health markers. BUT, animals, their consumption, their processing, not a problem. Now, how we raise them? Giant freaking problem from many standpoints, but not raising them at all is also misguided. Lab meat, also a problem. We need to do as fitgoat suggests, use the right lands for the right things, not to grow corn.
If it's really doable, I'll be glad to add bison, sheep, goats, and whatever else to my diet.
I am a little worried over game meat like deer since concentrating them in artificial feeding areas has spread CJD and my memory is already spotty, plus my poor mind is all I have left in this world, I'd like to keep it prion free. Then again, if we start importing beef from everywhere with no origin labels, it could still become an issue. *shrug*
Bison is a relatively common meat found here in the midwest (for good reason). Unfortunately, it also tends to be more expensive. Shopping around can be well worth the legwork, though, and the meat itself is awesome. Generally speaking, I prefer it to beef.
Goat meat has started showing up in my area, too, which is cool, I think. Lamb's been common, though mutton less so. A few specialty vendors have rabbit, too, which I think is great.
Venison is awesome, but I don't eat the venison from around where I live, since I live in corn country. I go nuts over the venison from my parents, who live in the National Forest in Pennsylvania, so they have far less access to corn and far more access to their natural food. I'd eat it more often if I could, but it's become a rare treat that I get during the holidays.
The one we could do with some of the biggest impact is horse, but this being America, eating horse is like eating Bald Eagle.0 -
LOL.
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I can't imagine eating horse meat @Dragonwolf! Yes, being American, that just seems cruel. Horses are pets, in my mind, and we don't eat pets, in my mind. If I were truly starving I would eat it though. I understand that some people do raise animals for food too. I just don't know if I could eat something that I once called by name, lol!0
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I can't imagine eating horse meat @Dragonwolf! Yes, being American, that just seems cruel. Horses are pets, in my mind, and we don't eat pets, in my mind. If I were truly starving I would eat it though. I understand that some people do raise animals for food too. I just don't know if I could eat something that I once called by name, lol!
I feel like that about rabbits too. I had a house bunny for 9 years, so the thought of eating rabbit... Nope!
Friends aren't food! Lol0 -
I really wince at the steaks that serve as this group's banner. Not because i feel morally assaulted, but because of the lapse of judgement it shows.
Feel free to suggest an alternative here -- http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10267446/banner-recommendations#latest0
