My experience going off the keto diet and back to a "moderate" carb diet....

AngInCanada
AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
edited November 27 in Social Groups
So a lot of you remember I'd been on the keto diet for about 6 months. I started feeling like garbage again (exhausted, dizzy, just feeling bad), so I decided to end it and go back to eating a moderate amount of carbs. I was overwhelmed too so it was a bit to just give myself a break. So I've been back on carbs for about a month and a few days. Now I'm posting something that is probably TMI, but is relevant, so men, you may want to stop here. Something happened that I didn't realize was gone until it came back. I got a NASTY horrible, painful, uncomfortable yeast infection. Prior to keto I constantly had yeast infections. They seemed to come and go with my cycle. DURING keto, I never had one single flare up. I didn't even realize I hadn't had one till it was gone. So what I'm THINKING is that I was feeling so horrible because of candida die off. Closer to the end of my keto experiment I was eating a bit of berries and also consuming quite a few artificial sweeteners. Now I do still have to do some reading to see if artificial sweeteners feed candida, so I could be wrong. It's strange too because I have been reading about keto and candida and some research indicates that candida prefers ketones over glucose for fuel, so in that theory, candida should get worse on a ketogenic diet.

In terms of weight loss, I haven't lost and I haven't gained. My dizzy spells are gone and I do have more energy, but if I'm dealing with a candida issue, it's just because my body is happy that I'm feeding it sugar again.

So those are my thoughts. I'm going to research more, but chances are I'll be back after christmas.

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  • Lucille4444
    Lucille4444 Posts: 284 Member
    Exhausted, dizzy, feeling bad could be lack of salt,potassium, magnesium.
  • AngInCanada
    AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
    Exhausted, dizzy, feeling bad could be lack of salt,potassium, magnesium.

    My electrolytes were fine. I tried it all.
  • deksgrl
    deksgrl Posts: 7,237 Member
    I had always heard of the sugar/candida connection so this doesn't surprise me. You probably answered this somewhere already but could the feeling bad have been because you were not eating enough calories?
  • ambergem1969
    ambergem1969 Posts: 224 Member
    Hi @AngInCanada - I've also had regular, cycle-related yeast infections disappear on keto and I've always figured it was because there was so much less sugar in my system.

    I'll be interested to see what your research shows and what you decide to do next!
  • AngInCanada
    AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
    It's strange though because research has shown that candida (yeast) thrives better on ketones tjan glucose. So really I should've been way worse on keto. It doesn't make sense. I'm going to go see my naturopath and see what she says.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    Wow. Interesting. Let us know what she says. :)
  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    @AngInCanada the article below talks about a side of keto I have never heard. One place mentioned a sweet spot of 100-150 carbs. Best of luck getting to the bottom what what is happening in your case.

    https://thepowerofozone.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/does-the-ketogenic-diet-get-rid-of-candida-the-ketosis-candida-mercury-link/
  • canadjineh
    canadjineh Posts: 5,396 Member
    edited December 2015
    Are you talking vaginal yeast infection or gut candida overload? You can have a gut overload w/o ever having had a vaginal yeast infection (I'm one of those).
  • ambergem1969
    ambergem1969 Posts: 224 Member
    I was just reading that there are different forms of candida and I wonder if that's a factor? Maybe albicans likes ketones but whatever was causing the issue was a different type.
  • AngInCanada
    AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
    canadjineh wrote: »
    Are you talking vaginal yeast infection or gut candida overload? You can have a gut overload w/o ever having had a vaginal yeast infection (I'm one of those).

    Not gut. :neutral: Not having fun days here. Have an appointment with my naturopath on Monday. Going to chat with her about my experiences.
  • AngInCanada
    AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
    @AngInCanada the article below talks about a side of keto I have never heard. One place mentioned a sweet spot of 100-150 carbs. Best of luck getting to the bottom what what is happening in your case.

    https://thepowerofozone.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/does-the-ketogenic-diet-get-rid-of-candida-the-ketosis-candida-mercury-link/

    Interesting read!
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    I'd have to wonder if your candida is grain related?
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,021 Member
    canadjineh wrote: »
    Are you talking vaginal yeast infection or gut candida overload? You can have a gut overload w/o ever having had a vaginal yeast infection (I'm one of those).

    Not gut. :neutral: Not having fun days here. Have an appointment with my naturopath on Monday. Going to chat with her about my experiences.

    When not in ketosis, I have TOM related awful ringworm outbreaks (as in it starts breaking out the whole week before and during. And those things last for weeks and weeks itching me to death), I get yeast infections randomly and frequently, and I am tasty to biting bugs like mosquitoes from spring to October. On keto, I am not. No ringworm, no yeast, no bug bites, EVER.

    Now keto has its own problems. Freezing, poor circulation, which is a problem in winter, dry eyes (causing cornea rips sometimes) and sinuses (another winter issue). Chronic fatigue bleedthrough, either during TOM or around 2:30pm. TOM, though regular like clockwork, lasts 10 day! Keto-stink if I mess up and have to readapt...staining the armpits of my white tees. Grrrrrr....

    But my skin is better on keto (no pizza face), no grain/sugar gas, no IBS-C, no Mushroom kingdom invasions, bugs leave me alone, cravings are nil, I can exercise forever if I need to, PMDD is just PMS now (in fact sometimes I get ambushed by TOM because I don't have any symptoms until a minute before it hits. And during is tame. I'm no longer a raving psycho!), my mood is fantastic (no more depression), chronic fatigue ISN'T all day long, no brain fog, ADD is vastly improved, and I rarely get sick.

    Those are my personal pro/cons. I deem the pros more important than the cons. Which is easy for me since my pro list is so long. Other people find that their cons list is longer, and the pros aren't worth it.

    I believe in keto. But it isn't perfection for everyone. Not even me.

    So Ang, do what you need to. I completely understand. I really wanted keto to kill my chronic fatigue. I still get waves of "exhausted" that smacks me in the face though. So it's not perfect. And that makes me mad. Because the chronic fatigue is draining, and I find it obnoxious in the extreme, inconvenient, and it drags my mood down. I might feel less tired at under 100g instead and maybe freeze less, and maybe wake up in the night and NOT worry that my eyelid is going to stick to my eyeball and rip my cornea, but the ringworm (itches like HADES and lasts forever) and the yeast infections, and the skin problems and the crankies and cravings I experience are all annoying enough to me to not bother to stick on it to find out if that makes the chronic fatigue (and the other little annoying keto-probs) leave forever. And there is the water weight I gain right on my belly, that really bugs me, too. Those might be temporary until my hormones find their happy place, but it's not fun, and I'm not that patient a person.

    I hope you find your "sweet spot," where your pros outweigh the cons, and you are able to chug along without much issue. Nothing is perfect, but there certainly is a good-enough, and I hope you can discover it soon. Life is too short to spend miserable. I hope your appt goes well and maybe the naturopath can help you figure something out. :heart:

  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    @baconslave Mushroom kingdom invasions! LOL. :D

    I wonder if your chills are more weight loss related rather than keto related? I get cold when losing weight whether it is keto or not. Fat insulation? I don't know, but being slim feels colder to me.

    I feel the same way about keto and my prediabetes. Most of the time it makes a huge difference but every once in a while the issue resurfaces and I just want to kick the fridge while yelling, "Come on! Not fair!" But I don't. Sigh.

    My pros outweigh my cons too. Keto takes some work so the pros would need to outweigh the cons for anyone to stick with it.... I totally agree. :)
  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    When we cut the fuel level to any heating source it gets cooler. We are the same way and being cold should reverse itself to some degree when we get back to eating at maintenance.
  • Sunny_Bunny_
    Sunny_Bunny_ Posts: 7,140 Member
    I've been cold my whole life. Doesn't seem any different to me now than before. I need a blanket in mid August just to sit on my couch under the ceiling fan! Lol
    My husband thinks I'm exaggerating since I always say I'm cold.
  • _Terrapin_
    _Terrapin_ Posts: 4,301 Member
    The longer I'm on this site the more I learn/forget/sort of remember and re-read. Some of you have listed feeling/being cold....alot. Somewhere out there is a Dr Atkins interview with Larry King and they take callers for Q&A. One of the callers asked about being cold and Dr Atkins recommended checking their thyroid function simply by checking their body temperature everyday for 10 days prior to rising in the morning. A consistent number below 98 indicates a less then well functioning thyroid. Seems pretty straight forward. A simple test. Improving thyroid function and learning what works for each individual may vary but diagnosis seems easy. A link below says the same thing

    http://www.wellnessresources.com/weight_tips/articles/body_temperature_and_thyroid_problems/

    For one or two of you this may be too easy to believe. For some it may be a re-run and some will dismiss it. Considering the source listed was what some would say was unique in diet approach when he first started out it may be worth a listen and more importantly try. Best of luck.

  • Twibbly
    Twibbly Posts: 1,065 Member
    I actually get warmer when I'm eating LCHF. It's rather odd for me, as I'm normally freezing (at least my feet) no matter what I do.
  • randiewilliams72
    randiewilliams72 Posts: 119 Member
    I know when I eat a lot of sugar I would get yeast infections. So sounds plausible. And I didn't know about the dry eye problem. I have been having that issue. My mother in law told me to take a spoonful of flax seed oil a day. I still have yet to check into that.
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,021 Member
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    @baconslave Mushroom kingdom invasions! LOL. :D

    I wonder if your chills are more weight loss related rather than keto related? I get cold when losing weight

    When I was this weight all those moons ago, I wasn't cold all the time. I was always roasting. I was one of those without a jacket in 40deg weather.
    _Terrapin_ wrote: »
    The longer I'm on this site the more I learn/forget/sort of remember and re-read. Some of you have listed feeling/being cold....alot. Somewhere out there is a Dr Atkins interview with Larry King and they take callers for Q&A. One of the callers asked about being cold and Dr Atkins recommended checking their thyroid function simply by checking their body temperature everyday for 10 days prior to rising in the morning. A consistent number below 98 indicates a less then well functioning thyroid. Seems pretty straight forward. A simple test. Improving thyroid function and learning what works for each individual may vary but diagnosis seems easy. A link below says the same thing

    http://www.wellnessresources.com/weight_tips/articles/body_temperature_and_thyroid_problems/

    For one or two of you this may be too easy to believe. For some it may be a re-run and some will dismiss it. Considering the source listed was what some would say was unique in diet approach when he first started out it may be worth a listen and more importantly try. Best of luck.

    Thank you for that. I'll look into it.

  • AngInCanada
    AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
    Small update. Saw the naturopath and she wants me to do a total elimination diet after Christmas. She's sure my issues (AND the horrible fatigue on keto) are caused by a food sensitivity/allergy.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    Good luck!
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    Small update. Saw the naturopath and she wants me to do a total elimination diet after Christmas. She's sure my issues (AND the horrible fatigue on keto) are caused by a food sensitivity/allergy.

    If you need a guide, you might want to check out the Whole 30 program. It eliminates most of the common ones, and you can adapt it for additional ones your naturopath mentions (nightshades and eggs are other common culprits).

    @baconslave and @Sunny_Bunny_ in addition to what @_Terrapin_ suggested, you guys might also want to try getting more red meat from ungulates (beef, bison, venison, etc) into your diet and see if that helps. It sounds strange, but one thing I noticed this past summer, when I was on my best carnivorous plan (which was a very high percentage of bison) was that my body temperature went up and I was never cold. My body temperature has run 97.5 for about as long as I can remember, and even in the summer, I'd often have ice cold hands and feet. However, while eating the way I was over the late spring and early summer, my body temperature actually went up to 98.5 and my hands and feet were never cold.

    One thing I noticed from a quick check of both your diaries was that you both seem to favor fish and chicken over any red meat (at least from what I was seeing). It might be worth making beef your primary or only source of meat for a couple of weeks and see if that makes a difference.
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,021 Member
    Dragonwolf wrote: »
    Small update. Saw the naturopath and she wants me to do a total elimination diet after Christmas. She's sure my issues (AND the horrible fatigue on keto) are caused by a food sensitivity/allergy.

    If you need a guide, you might want to check out the Whole 30 program. It eliminates most of the common ones, and you can adapt it for additional ones your naturopath mentions (nightshades and eggs are other common culprits).

    @baconslave and @Sunny_Bunny_ in addition to what @_Terrapin_ suggested, you guys might also want to try getting more red meat from ungulates (beef, bison, venison, etc) into your diet and see if that helps. It sounds strange, but one thing I noticed this past summer, when I was on my best carnivorous plan (which was a very high percentage of bison) was that my body temperature went up and I was never cold. My body temperature has run 97.5 for about as long as I can remember, and even in the summer, I'd often have ice cold hands and feet. However, while eating the way I was over the late spring and early summer, my body temperature actually went up to 98.5 and my hands and feet were never cold.

    One thing I noticed from a quick check of both your diaries was that you both seem to favor fish and chicken over any red meat (at least from what I was seeing). It might be worth making beef your primary or only source of meat for a couple of weeks and see if that makes a difference.

    If I could afford to eat red meat for every meal, I sure as heck would. Alas, canned tuna and chicken breast is cheap and low-cal. I'll see if I can't increase the consumption of beef a bit. FIL butchered a cow not too long ago. I might be able to score some extra meat from him this weekend.

    My body temperature rarely gets higher than 97.5 and is sometimes in the upper 96's.
    I'm cold and tired all the time, though my mind may be humming from CO and coffee.
    I'm sick and tired of being cold and tired. I'm a healthy weight and physically fit. This is dumb. :-1:
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,021 Member
    Small update. Saw the naturopath and she wants me to do a total elimination diet after Christmas. She's sure my issues (AND the horrible fatigue on keto) are caused by a food sensitivity/allergy.

    I sure hope you find out something definitive soon. And that you are doing better a little at least.
  • wtskinner
    wtskinner Posts: 178 Member
    I can tell you that as a diabetic, when I fall off keto diet, even moderately (not talking about cramming my face with cookies and ice cream) my blood sugar starts running high again (upper 100s to low 200s) even while on full doses of all my meds. It also leads to me getting sweaty really easily again and it becomes a lot easier to lose control of my hunger.
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