newbie with questions
wishfullthinking79
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Hi there. I am new to this group. One of the members actually recommended that I join this group because I am trying to eat a low carb diet. I have been lurking for several days.
SO far I am doing really good for the most part. I am working on increasing the amount of fat that I eat but it is challenging. I have only just begun to read a lot of information on low carb dieting.
So my question is.. Does anyone eat quiona and brown brown rice? I have read that I need to stay away from those. The bad part is that I eally like to eat them with with some veggies. If I am absolutely supposed to stay away from them is there a rice or pasta that can be eaten. Its not that I eat either very often to begin with. I just want to know if the option is there.
Since starting this type of diet I have only introduce veggies into my diet the past two days. I have been eating as little carbs as I can. I have lost 7 pounds so far. My goal is to lose weight but I want to do it in a healthy manner as well.
I forgot to mention that I am struggling with eating a high number of calories. Since I typically eat pretty lean meat they do not provide a high number of calories.
SO far I am doing really good for the most part. I am working on increasing the amount of fat that I eat but it is challenging. I have only just begun to read a lot of information on low carb dieting.
So my question is.. Does anyone eat quiona and brown brown rice? I have read that I need to stay away from those. The bad part is that I eally like to eat them with with some veggies. If I am absolutely supposed to stay away from them is there a rice or pasta that can be eaten. Its not that I eat either very often to begin with. I just want to know if the option is there.
Since starting this type of diet I have only introduce veggies into my diet the past two days. I have been eating as little carbs as I can. I have lost 7 pounds so far. My goal is to lose weight but I want to do it in a healthy manner as well.
I forgot to mention that I am struggling with eating a high number of calories. Since I typically eat pretty lean meat they do not provide a high number of calories.
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Welcome. Launch pad has a wealth of information- please read that.
Quinoa and brown rice are still starches and react accordingly. For example, our body tastes sweet even from artificial sweeteners and starts reacting like we are injesting sugar. Sure, less calories but my gut needs me to avoid that response to stay healthier. Each person has different experiences, and some can handle more carbs than others. You might be one n can use them for a treat. You might find as you progress that you find a different way of eating n you dont miss them. Good luck.0 -
Well, some people that are at the higher end of the low carb range do eat brown rice and quinoa. I know that Dave Asprey says that he does but suggests that they are only eaten at dinner. The idea is that the carbs you do eat are best later in the day. He explains why but I don't recall.
It sounds to me like you want to eat at a Ketogenic level when you say you want to keep carbs as low as possible. It's actually possible to eat as little as zero carbs or maybe 5 total... So as low as possible is really more of an opinion based on each individual.
Many people start out with a number that sounds both challenging but possible to do for them and upon getting further into it, end up lowering that number because they are feeling pretty awesome and decide that it's not as difficult as they thought. But, you don't tend to have that happen if you're eating lean meats, not addressing the feeling of "needing" bread or pasta and not getting enough healthy fats.
If you're not getting a good ratio of healthy fats compared to proteins and carbs, it's hard to achieve the kind of satisfaction that takes away the longing for carbs. This may be why you find yourself searching for ways to eat those things even though it contradicts what you're saying that you want to be as low carb as possible. A bit of "withdrawal" in a way...
I personally decided that all grains are not part of my life and don't plan to reintroduce them later either. But that's my plan. It doesn't mean you can't be successful on low carb and include them. It pretty much does mean you can't be Ketogenic though. Unless maybe you're burning off the extra carbs through high intensity exercise. That kind of exercise makes it possible to eat more carbs and still remain in ketosis.
It's not necessary to be Keto for low carb to be successful for you though, but achieving control of appetite and cravings is generally desirable for long term success. So, it's up to you to experiment with different carb levels, fat and protein amounts to find your "happy place".
As a first step, I would get the fat up if it's indeed too low. Meaning that you're eating more protein and carbs than fat.
Im on mobile so can't see diaries of non friends... What are the average grams of carbs, protein and fat you've been getting? And what are the sources your fat is coming from?0 -
I tend to avoid rice and all other grains. There have a lot of carbs for their size and very few nutritional benefits for me. They are just fillers in my mind.
That being said, some low carbers eat those foods. If it fits your macros and health goals there is no reason not too eat them if you want them.
I agree with the others who said getting calories from fat is a good course to follow. Most of us have fat as our largest macro. I'm ketogenic and have my fats set at 70% but most other will have theirs sets between 50-75%. Adding fatty foods like butter, oils, bacon, avocados, fatty meats, olives, cheese, full fat dairy products and nuts like avocado will add fats and calories.
To be honest, I think the only time high fat foods are a bad idea are when they are paired with high carb foods... And I think the high carb part is the main problem.0 -
I tend to avoid rice and all other grains. There have a lot of carbs for their size and very few nutritional benefits for me. They are just fillers in my mind.
That being said, some low carbers eat those foods. If it fits your macros and health goals there is no reason not too eat them if you want them.
I agree with the others who said getting calories from fat is a good course to follow. Most of us have fat as our largest macro. I'm ketogenic and have my fats set at 70% but most other will have theirs sets between 50-75%. Adding fatty foods like butter, oils, bacon, avocados, fatty meats, olives, cheese, full fat dairy products and nuts like avocado will add fats and calories.
To be honest, I think the only time high fat foods are a bad idea are when they are paired with high carb foods... And I think the high carb part is the main problem.
Definitely agree with this, especially the last paragraph!0 -
I avoid grains too for my carb goals. An alternative for rice is cauliflower rice. It is similar to the consistency of rice, feels like a filler for any meal, healthy & low carb. The recipes are on Google. If u can't find something ask one of us for the recipe.0
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Well, some people that are at the higher end of the low carb range do eat brown rice and quinoa. I know that Dave Asprey says that he does but suggests that they are only eaten at dinner. The idea is that the carbs you do eat are best later in the day. He explains why but I don't recall.
Carbs promote sleep, for some keto can be hyper stimulating and contribute to insomnia.0 -
Some people are able to keep these in their diet without any problems, and others will experience food cravings and blood sugar spikes, making it difficult to maintain the LCHF woe. Changing your meat choices to high fat cuts is important too. When you have chicken breast, wrap it in bacon, or cook in butter (or both). Increasing the fat after decreasing the carbs leads to not being hungry, and being able to eat to fuel your body. Once you do this you won't miss the starches like you thought you would!
Welcome to the group!0 -
randomventures wrote: »
Carbs promote sleep, for some keto can be hyper stimulating and contribute to insomnia.
My insomniac is back in full swing now with this woe, however, I have way more energy now sleeping 6-1/2 hrs a night than I did before sleeping 8 hrs/night, so I guess I'll accept the trade off.
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PaleoInScotland wrote: »randomventures wrote: »
Carbs promote sleep, for some keto can be hyper stimulating and contribute to insomnia.
My insomniac is back in full swing now with this woe, however, I have way more energy now sleeping 6-1/2 hrs a night than I did before sleeping 8 hrs/night, so I guess I'll accept the trade off.
This was interesting news for me. I have always been an 8-10 hour a night sleeper and was worried that after seven months of LC I barely manage six and a half. I feel fine so I'll take the extra morning hours as a bonus. If I was 50 years younger, I could get a paper route!!0 -
Oh man thank you everyone for your responses. I think I may have given you all the wrong impression. I actually do not crave carbs. I rarely eat potatoes, rice, or bread. I just have this quiona and bow rice thay I bought a while ago to eat with my stir fry veggies. The sweets are my biggest issue. Oh man that is where my carbs are at. I do struggle with that craving. But I ate this fabulous cake and dip yesterday. Now I feel awful. That was the first time I ate anything like that in the past 9 days.
What I didn't realize before starting this is how much carbs different veggies have. I always just paid attention to the calorie counter. Now I input everything before I eat it. With the exception of yesterday I have kept my carbs below 20. I love these three cheese pretzels that I have at my house but I haven't eaten ant in the past 9 days. I am not a big chip person but those I totally dig.
I am definitely struggling with the fat. I do eat bacon but rarely. Same with butter. I did add a little butter to my turkey the other night. I ate a little avocado the other day as well.
So here is my big hang up. I am doing this alone. My bf is not on board. So he is eating something totally different. I eat so little compared to him and my son.0 -
Sounds like you're off to a good start! I do also like zucchini noodles (I make them with a spiralizer) or spaghetti squash when the family's having pasta. My husband and sons don't really eat LC either, though over time I've gotten them on board w/just meat and veggies for dinner a few times a week (taco salad, chef salad, roasted meat w/roasted veggies, etc.). Otherwise I usually make stuff where the carb/starch is more on the side so I can just have more of the meat/veg and skip the starch.
My previous low carb experience was mostly low carb/low fat/high protein. It did take me some time to get used to increasing my fats. I do things like:
* heavy whipping cream (and sometimes coconut oil) in my coffee. (I started with half and half and gradually shifted to HWC)
* whipped cream with a few berries as a dessert
* 2-3 eggs for breakfast most mornings
* full-fat coconut milk in some recipes/sauces
* ranch dressing on salads
* cream cheese clouds or cream cheese fluff (you can also look into keto fudge or fat bombs as an alternative when you want something sweet)
* Old Wisconsin beef snack sticks are a pretty good LCHFAP snack
* almonds/almond butter
* fattier cuts of meat (roasted chicken thighs with the skin on instead of boneless skinless chicken breasts all the time, for example)
I do love avocados and guac, too.
I found that over time, it became easier and easier to get in plenty of fats and protein dropped to the more moderate range.0 -
Keep in mind that you're body turns the rice and quinoa into glucose just the same as it does with the sweets. And it's the insulin and possibly brain addiction reaction that triggers sweet cravings. So weather or not your eating sweets, the faster acting carbs in general are feeding the craving for sweets.
Sweets were my problem too. Specifically candy. I didn't care about bread or pasta or any kind of grains at all. Sugar is what I struggled with. But I know that any carbs that will quickly become glucose and create an insulin reaction are likely to cause me sugar cravings.
So because you mentioned the difficult cravings, I personally think you'll be most successful getting them under control to let someone else eat that stuff.0
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