Looking for advice - lost my appetite

Bonny132
Bonny132 Posts: 3,617 Member
edited December 2024 in Social Groups
To cut a long story short, this week I have seriously under eaten. My Dr have put me on a medication which has made me loose my appetite, and consuming 600 kcals a day is not healthy, and I know it.

So I am looking for ideas of high calorie foods I can try out that is also gluten free and not dairy (dairy sensitive, so can only do so much).

To put it this way: Today I managed to have a small green salad with 2 boiled eggs with olive oil for lunch and I am currently struggling to eat my salad wraps with chicken (and extra crispy skin that I had in the freezer) and bacon all (fried in coconut oil). Bullet proof coffee is out of the question as caffeine is on my banned list from my doctor, due to sleep issues.

I am not too worried after a week of not eating much, but I have 3 more weeks to go till my next appointment, I am very happy to loose weight (and I have quite a bit to loose, so plenty of energy stores to take from), but I do not want to run out of energy.

So I am not looking for a medical opinion, as I am already getting that from my Dr who has advised me loss of appetite can be a side effect. I am simply looking for small, nutritious ideas to try out, to up my calorie uptake that fits into LCHF that I have not thought of yet.

Thank you all in advance.
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  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    Calorie dense LCHF foods:
    Nuts
    Peanut butter
    Avocado
    Olives

    You can make an omelette with three eggs, fry up a few strips of bacon and add in half an avocado. That should bring your calories up in one meal.

  • LowCarbInScotland
    LowCarbInScotland Posts: 1,027 Member
    If you're struggling to eat your food, have you thought about drinking your calories? You could add some coconut cream (not coconut milk) to up the calories of a protein shake. Low carb protein bars might be easier to stomach than real food right now. Or you could add blrnd a scoop of coconut oil into some thai flavoured soup broth if you want something soothing to drink that has some flavour. Hope you do feel better on your meds soon!
  • Bonny132
    Bonny132 Posts: 3,617 Member
    Thank you, I already do eat olives and avocado. Forgot about peanut butter!
    I physically cannot eat a 3 egg omelette atm in a sitting, even without the bacon and half an avocado. I ate my salad over 2 sittings today, lunch and then finished it 2 hrs later.

    I LOVE my food! This is a totally new sensation to me, not wanting it :'(
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    You could use decaf coffee for a BPC or make it BP Cocoa or BP Broth. Basically I usually say "fatty hot beverage of choice." I agree with coconut cream (can get online if you can't find it where you are)...coconut "manna" is like a coconut butter that's not real butter. Ghee is butter that has all the milk solids removed - and so some dairy sensitive folks can use it.

    My personal sleep issues have very little to do with caffeine consumed in any form. It's been more about modifying my diet, adjusting supplements, using light therapy (and restriction), etc. Just a personal note. You may be sensitive to caffeine...I have no idea...

    Can you tolerate something liquid or soft easier than food that has to be chewed? Goat's Milk Kefir is said to be a good option. Fat bombs are another consideration. Do you know if it is the WHEY or CASEIN in milk you're sensitive to??
  • kpk54
    kpk54 Posts: 4,474 Member
    Coconut anything. Pumpkin seeds. Sunflower seeds. Any sort of nut. All pack a big calorie punch. I also raise hand to almighty peanut butter.
  • Bonny132
    Bonny132 Posts: 3,617 Member
    My sleep issues are down to stress, long hours at work and intense pressure to perform, hence the meds. As my first 3 weeks on a different brand did not help at all, I was advised to stay clear of caffeine, sleeping 3-4hrs a night for months has left me willing to try anything to get a good night's sleep (apart from sleeping pills)

    I have no idea if it is the casein or the whey to be honest. I know if I have a little too much, I bloat and end (sorry TMI) up spending the next couple of days running to the bathroom. I have been like that since I was a child, and I love dairy, so just need to be careful how I spend my daily "safe allowance". Anything over 1 glass of milk worth in a day is a no go.

    Ghee I have not considered using as butter, I currently use full fat Irish butter, and lots of various oils. Think maybe some of the corner stores around here might have some. I have replaced my coffee (I used to drink about 8 cups of strong coffee a day) with warm water, so at least I am getting enough liquids.
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    There was a recent post I did that included some sleep-hacking advice. I'll see if I can find it, rather than retyping a novel... I've done tons.

    I slept 3-4 hours a night FOR YEARS, was miserable in my marriage, hated my job, and just was stressed out all the time, so I can sympathize some....

    I'm getting my stuff worked out now, finally, and I'm off the CPAP machine...so ... progress?

    Let me dig up all that info for ya!

    HUGS
  • canadjineh
    canadjineh Posts: 5,396 Member
    edited August 2016
    @Bonny132 buy a small amount of very hard old cheese such as Parmesan, old cheddar, Swiss to try. If it still bothers you - it's the casein.

    An easy way to check for lactose in cheese is to look at the Nutrition Facts under "Sugar" Since the sugar in cheese is lactose, you can easily see how much lactose the cheese contains. If the sugar is listed as zero, then the cheese contains no more than half a gram of lactose per ounce. Compare to 12 grams of lactose in an 8 ounce glass of milk.

    Cheese with trace levels (less than 0.5 gram lactose) Natural, aged cheese (such as Cheddar, Parmesan and Swiss) can be digested by many people with lactose intolerance. During the cheese making process, most of the lactose is drained off with the whey (a liquid portion). The small amount that remains in the curd is changed to lactic acid during ripening (aging) of cheese. Only trace amounts of lactose remain.
  • Sunny_Bunny_
    Sunny_Bunny_ Posts: 7,140 Member
    I was going to say coconut cream and see it has been mentioned. It's good in coffe or tea or make a cocoa or protein shake with it. Can get down lots of calories with little volume that way.
  • SuperCarLori
    SuperCarLori Posts: 1,248 Member
    How about seeds? Flax, hemp....chia? Maybe a flaxmug muffin? They're smaller and the one I make, with butter melted on top is about 450 calories.
  • tnevin225
    tnevin225 Posts: 21 Member
    KnitOrMiss wrote: »
    There was a recent post I did that included some sleep-hacking advice. I'll see if I can find it, rather than retyping a novel... I've done tons.

    I slept 3-4 hours a night FOR YEARS, was miserable in my marriage, hated my job, and just was stressed out all the time, so I can sympathize some....

    I'm getting my stuff worked out now, finally, and I'm off the CPAP machine...so ... progress?

    Let me dig up all that info for ya!

    HUGS

    This sounds just like me 25yrs ago. Thyroid went out, went on depression meds, high BP meds and been on them ever since. Also on C-PAP machine. I've been Keto for abt 10 weeks and looking forward to getting off all the meds and machine. I have only recently realized what a sham our hole medical community is and that most don't have a clue, just through another pill at the problem.
  • Bonny132
    Bonny132 Posts: 3,617 Member
    Thank you all for the ideas and support. I have been out shopping a few new items. I am not too worried yet, been a week now with no appetite and a 4.5lbs loss this week. I need to loose weight, just never planned to do it this way.

    So if this continues, I have nuts, peanut butter, flax seed, chia, avocados and a stock of frozen chicken skin ready to be eaten.

    @BaconSan2 you can have my calories lol at the moment eating is really hard so I'll take any help I can get
  • Cheesy567
    Cheesy567 Posts: 1,186 Member
    Bonny132 wrote: »

    Ghee I have not considered using as butter, I currently use full fat Irish butter, and lots of various oils. Think maybe some of the corner stores around here might have some. I have replaced my coffee (I used to drink about 8 cups of strong coffee a day) with warm water, so at least I am getting enough liquids.

    Mmmm, butter... *drooling*
    My search for high calorie foods would end right there. Slice a tablespoon or two off the stick, a perfect snack and 100 cal per tablespoon. Easier to swallow than PB, too.
  • Bonny132
    Bonny132 Posts: 3,617 Member
    Hi @KnitOrMiss did you ever find your article on the sleep hacks? If so I would love to read it.

    Thank you all for some great advice. I am still not eating much, at least my body has a lot of flab to work it's way through so I do not think I am suffering too much yet, but the little fatty advices has helped me to combat the lack of energy at least. :)

    And PS before anyone asks, i am already scheduled in to see my GP again next week.
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    @Bonny132

    It took me a bit, but here's most of what I posted. It was on an insomnia thread: CLICK HERE

    A few sleep/wake hacks I've started using that are helping me lately. I'm hypothyroid, though, as you know, not Hashi's, @LauraCoth...

    Using a sleep cycle app to wake me. It uses a 30 minute window prior to your "hard and fast" timer set to be woken. You keep the phone on the bed, and based on movements through the mattress, it determines when you're in deep sleep or light sleep or awake/tossing/turning. It will only wake you during light sleep or at the end of the timer. I generally dread the idea of getting up with up to 30 minutes less sleep, but when you get woken in light sleep, it's far easier to be alert and functional than groggy. I use the "Sleep Cycle" app for Android. I forget what the one for iPhone is called (@Sunny_Bunny_ might recall).

    I also use a single meditation track to help me fall asleep. I don't use it for meditation, and I only use it for this. It's a free app that has a timer on it, so I pair it with the sleep cycle app above. It also helps me get back to sleep quick after having to get up to use the bathroom or waking from either a bad or restless dream.

    After listening to the diabetes and thyroid summits lately, I've incorporated a daylight lamp for 30 minutes as soon as I can in the morning, and at 3 pm for 30 minutes. Doing this allows the body to naturally increase cortisol at those times to comply with naturally circadian rhythms. This ties in with cortisol naturally tapering and melatonin naturally rising to put you in the proper timing for good sleep. Since we've both got thyroid issues, we should NEVER stay up past that first point of getting drowsy (emergencies excepting). That is melatonin kicking in and telling us to go to bed. If we get a "second wind," that's another dose of cortisol, and it's generally 5 hours give or take before it starts to wear off, so even if you can get to sleep at that point, it won't be good sleep!!!

    Taking high doses of D3 with K2 and magnesium, alternated 12 hours with A (preferably with E to balance). The D3/K2 helps energize the body (along with B-Complex in the am)...and the A interferes with D, so taking it about 12 hours offset really helps...

    Carbing up slightly (as mentioned above) at dinner. I feel best at keto levels in the am, near keto levels at lunch, and basic low carb levels at dinner. I found out that going hard keto really had a bad effect on my thyroid function, and I'm still recovering from it, 12-18 months later. I LOVE LOVE LOVE keto, so keeping keto for breakfast and mostly at lunch is helpful, and getting a bit more carbs at night really helps balance this all out.

    Blue light filters trigger daylight/cortisol responses, so putting filters on anything you use up to 3-4 hours before bed really helps.

    That's all I can think of offhand, but I know I'm missing at least one thing...so I'll add back in later.

    Oh, and this is worth a read as far as the l-tryptophan, etc.

    http://carbsyndrome.com/is-your-brain-two-quarts-low/

    Started with a similar protocol (the 5-htp and tyrosine together triggered carb cravings that seem to be muted with the l-glutamine)...and only a couple days in...will advise down the road.
  • Bonny132
    Bonny132 Posts: 3,617 Member
    Fabulous! Thank you so much, I have just favorited the thread so I can do some bed time reading and pick up on ideas to try next. Little sleep since Feb is starting to take it's toll.

    I really appreciate you going through all these threads to find it :smile: Hugs!
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    edited August 2016
    @Bonny132 - No problem at all. Normally I copy and paste things like this to myself, but this one I hadn't done for some randomly unknown reason...so I needed to go find it anyway! It was only on page 6. LOL Good luck on getting some sleep!
  • Bonny132
    Bonny132 Posts: 3,617 Member
    Thank you, Monday night I had 0 sleep as in none at all. Not even 5mins, and Tuesday night a few hours, in zombieland at the moment so hoping it will knock me out and I can get some decent sleep. I have taken off my fitbit, as when it started showing me at 34% decent sleep, it got a bit scary!
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    @Bonny132 - is there any chance at all that you are bipolar/manic depressive? This can happen in a manic state or hypomanic state...which I encountered within untreated thyroid issues and had been told for a decade I was bipolar, but looks now to not necessarily be the case - or my level is so low that I can manage it and be functional by being careful with diet and supplements...
  • Majcolorado
    Majcolorado Posts: 138 Member
    Fvaisey wrote: »
    Or... Stay well hydrated and enjoy the hiatus and see what happens. I'm not sure what your weight goals are, if you want to lose, take advantage of the suppressed appetite. Make sure that what you eat is high quality. Many medication side effects are temporary.

    Many people fast while doing keto/lchf, sometimes for multiple days. I do it myself. If you feel good and have good energy this doesn't have to be a negative side effect.

    This could be great advice, or terrible, based on how well your adrenals are functioning. Fasting is very tough on the adrenals when function is low and may contribute to your sleep issues.

    I was in a similar situation to what you described, you have my sympathy and my empathy!
  • retirehappy
    retirehappy Posts: 3,513 Member
    Bonny132 wrote: »
    To cut a long story short, this week I have seriously under eaten. My Dr have put me on a medication which has made me loose my appetite, and consuming 600 kcals a day is not healthy, and I know it.

    So I am looking for ideas of high calorie foods I can try out that is also gluten free and not dairy (dairy sensitive, so can only do so much).

    To put it this way: Today I managed to have a small green salad with 2 boiled eggs with olive oil for lunch and I am currently struggling to eat my salad wraps with chicken (and extra crispy skin that I had in the freezer) and bacon all (fried in coconut oil). Bullet proof coffee is out of the question as caffeine is on my banned list from my doctor, due to sleep issues.

    I am not too worried after a week of not eating much, but I have 3 more weeks to go till my next appointment, I am very happy to loose weight (and I have quite a bit to loose, so plenty of energy stores to take from), but I do not want to run out of energy.

    So I am not looking for a medical opinion, as I am already getting that from my Dr who has advised me loss of appetite can be a side effect. I am simply looking for small, nutritious ideas to try out, to up my calorie uptake that fits into LCHF that I have not thought of yet.

    Thank you all in advance.

    I spent the last year getting my metabolism healed so I could eat more calories. I recently started eating lchf, and I was shocked at how few calories I was getting without my normal bread, pastas, and potatoes. So I discovered fat bombs. This is my fav so far, quick and easy to make and I use stevia instead of sugar so it is just a pinch instead of tablespoon of sweetener. If you are not a chocolate lover, there are links to other flavors as well.
    http://www.ditchthecarbs.com/2015/02/25/chocolate-fat-bombs/
  • Bonny132
    Bonny132 Posts: 3,617 Member
    @KnitOrMiss No I have not got bi-polar nor am I manic depressive, been under the doctor's care on and off since Feb. I do have insomnia from time to time but the last 6 months have been rough.

    Feb I caught food poisoning, campylobacter, and was ill for 3 weeks, heavy doses of antibiotics to get well, then went straight into Labyrinthitis and was signed off work again, as I could not walk in a straight line for nearly 3 weeks.

    Not been the same since, nor slept well. I also do have a stressful job with long hours, so my doctor's diagnosis is that it is stress related. I see her every month at the moment.

    Thank you for the fatbomb recipes @retirehappy much appreciated :)
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    Oh, wow, @Bonny132 - I had forgotten that insomnia with prolonged sleep lapses can mimic mania, too. I wish you all the best luck in getting some decent sleep finally!!
  • Sunny_Bunny_
    Sunny_Bunny_ Posts: 7,140 Member
    KnitOrMiss wrote: »
    @Bonny132


    Using a sleep cycle app to wake me. It uses a 30 minute window prior to your "hard and fast" timer set to be woken. You keep the phone on the bed, and based on movements through the mattress, it determines when you're in deep sleep or light sleep or awake/tossing/turning. It will only wake you during light sleep or at the end of the timer. I generally dread the idea of getting up with up to 30 minutes less sleep, but when you get woken in light sleep, it's far easier to be alert and functional than groggy. I use the "Sleep Cycle" app for Android. I forget what the one for iPhone is called (@Sunny_Bunny_ might recall).


    The IOS app is also called Sleep Cycle. I love it! I've used it for years.
    It makes a huge difference for me when it comes to being able to get out of bed in the morning. It wakes you gently but at a point that you wake easily.
    As opposed to how my husband's alarm goes off at a blaring volume to Crazy Train! Startles me half to death when I don't get up before him! I don't understand why he wants to wake up that way. Lol
  • Bonny132
    Bonny132 Posts: 3,617 Member
    Thank you, just downloaded the app, it has amazing reviews by the way. Trying anything and everything at the moment, but the thought of being woken up in my light sleep really does appeal to me. Maybe on my bad nights, I'll still wake up feeling like a human and not like a zombie :)
  • LauraCoth
    LauraCoth Posts: 303 Member
    tnevin225 wrote: »
    This sounds just like me 25yrs ago. Thyroid went out, went on depression meds, high BP meds and been on them ever since. Also on C-PAP machine. I've been Keto for abt 10 weeks and looking forward to getting off all the meds and machine. I have only recently realized what a sham our hole medical community is and that most don't have a clue, just through another pill at the problem.

    Yep. Clueless, the lot of them. Until very recently the only person who had a clue for helping me with my insomnia was my licensed Naturopath.

  • Bonny132
    Bonny132 Posts: 3,617 Member
    My GP is actually pretty good, been going to her for years. Unfortunately now I have moved I got to change as I am outside the catchment area. Such a shame when you finally find someone good.
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