Binge eating disorder and low carb.....

AngInCanada
AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
edited December 3 in Social Groups
Ok this may get long and I apologize. This may have been better suited for the main boards but I would get eaten alive in those shark infested waters.

I've had a binge eating disorder for as long as I can remember. In middle school I used to volunteer at the cafeteria so I got free food when my "shift" was done. Hot dogs, burgers, Nanaimo bars, soup, brownies etc. I remember babysitting and eating so much I felt sick. It's embarrassing to talk about but important. I'd eat an entire 4 pack of pudding cups and hide the evidence at the bottom of the garbage can. I used to come home from school and eat 4 grilled cheese sandwiches. Then eat a regular dinner an hour later. :(

I went through a brief period of purging after a binge, thankfully (mortifying at the time) my husband found out about it and I promised i wouldn't do it again and I haven't.

The only time I have EVER felt in control of my eating was by going low carb. I never had the desire to binge, once i got past the initial detox I never felt hungry. Seriously the first time I felt in control of food in 20+ years.

My problem is, people don't understand. I was doing amazingly well....finally back on track. Following the Primal Blueprint carb curve at 75-109 g carbs a day. Yesterday I was emotional and caved and ate a cookie. Ok I dusted myself off and picked myself up. Weto work and a co-worker offered me a brownie. I kept saying no thank you, I'm good. "It is even gluten free! Come on try it". Nag nag nag. I ate one and it triggered something in me and I came home and binged. Ate and ate and ate until I felt sick. Woke up this morning horribly bloated with a back ache :( I know this was a choice I made but I just feel like no should mean no.

It's depressing to think ill have to obtain from certain foods for my entire life but the reality is looking like that's how it'll have to be.

Anyone else deal with a disordered eating past?
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  • Sunny_Bunny_
    Sunny_Bunny_ Posts: 7,140 Member
    I'm so sorry that happened.

    I only binged on candy.
    I could control portions when it came to meals, but when I got a sweet tooth, fahgetaboutit!
    I had candy hidden around the house because I didn't want anyone to know how much I was actually eating. I would find any lame excuse to need something from Walgreens if I was out just so I could feed the sugar beast. There were times that I had eaten almost an entire movie theater sized box of candy before I made the 1 mile drive back home. Driving slowly of course, so I could stuff as much in as possible before I got there.
    It was sad. It makes me sad to realize how hard it was for me to fight off a sweet craving if I didn't have something here. But it was rare that I didn't have something, somewhere. If there was no candy, there was at least fruit snacks or Little Debbie cakes or something!

    I understand losing control with food. I equated the way I behaved with sugar to drug addiction. Talking to my niece who is in recovery made me realize how completely trivial my "addiction" really was. I thought to myself "seriously?!? She had to detox in prison and couldn't even see her daughter or family and I can't tell myself no?!?!" I was furious with myself the way someone might be furious with an alcoholic spouse making constant excuses.
    That, among other challenges I saw other people I love going through made me realize that if I couldn't get my *kitten* together with something as small as sugar binging, then I had no business trying to tell them what to do. I mean, I had to encourage my dad to just drink 2 ensure drinks a day and take 1 bite of food per meal during his chemo. That was soooooo hard for him to do. Way harder than anything I had to do to beat sugar. I couldn't tell him one more time "Dad, you HAVE to at least eat 1 bite" if I couldn't even just not eat candy.
    That was all it took. Cold turkey Keto the next day. The idea of eating any candy is actually very repulsive to me now. I even threw away some sugar free candy I bought when I first got started recently because it had expired. The package was nearly full and my kids all had some too.
    It's definitely a mental thing. For me, I had to kick my own *kitten*.
  • AngInCanada
    AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
    MyriiStorm wrote: »

    My only suggestion is to come up with a strategy to use if you ever find yourself in that position again, where someone is insisting you eat something you know to be a trigger food. Maybe something along the lines of, "No thank you, and please don't ask me again," if they ask after you have already said no once.

    This is a good idea. I know I need to stand up for myself more because I'd let a herd of elephants trample me if it meant not hurting someone's feelings. I'm a people pleaser and always have been. Always put my own needs last (which is how I ended up 75pounds overweight)
  • bametels
    bametels Posts: 950 Member
    Some people can really be cruel. I suggest that when someone tries to force food on you that you tell them that you can't eat it because it will make you sick. That's exactly what happened to you. Most people understand food-related health issues and are less likely to press the issue if they know it will make someone ill.
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
    Having worked in restaurants, it's no stretch to imagine off-label preparation of even the most tempting carb-bombs.....

  • CeliaSea
    CeliaSea Posts: 51 Member
    golfgirl99 wrote: »
    Ordering two value meals at once so the person at the drive through would think I was bringing the other meal to someone else.

    I've totally done this. I also used to order two drinks whenever I grabbed a pizza or Chinese takeout, just so the cashier wouldn't make the assumption that I was eating it all myself. I do find it a lot easier to control the binges on LCHF. But, when I cheat (which usually involves a celebration or social event), look out...it's out of control. Then I wake up the next day feeling like I've been run over by a truck, which only makes it harder to climb back on the wagon. I wish I could get to the root of my binge eating. I'm told that, once you understand what's driving it emotionally, you can move past it permanently. In the meantime, LCHF is the best tool I've ever come across.
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member

    In my case processed carbs are just fine as long as I do not put them in my MOUTH.

    A simple but not easy solution.

    It's not that hard, if you can imagine every former go-to carb treat being made with Drano, cat pee, and/or skunk spray.

    PS Can you handle nuts/seeds, since dairy gives you troubles, like Macadamia nuts? (mmm...)

  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    Yesterday I picked $60 in bulk nuts at Krogers. I can eat all kinds but cashews are my current go to nuts. I had ran out and not having them to crunch on was on thing that got me in trouble the last few days. :) I got burnt out of Macadamia nuts in this heat.
  • StacyChrz
    StacyChrz Posts: 865 Member
    While never diagnosed I believe I also have binge eating disorder. I have always struggled with hiding food. I could easily stop at 2 different fast food restaurants and get meals to eat while I was out of the house, then go home and eat a full meal with my family. That's just one of many examples. I've also used laxatives periodically since my teens but never consistently. I do feel so much better and more in control when eating low carb. I am hoping that making this change recently will help speed things up because I will binge less. Sadly, I gave in to 2 cookies after some sweet fruit this afternoon and now I can not stop thinking about stopping to get a couple of doughnuts on the way home. I'm going to have to call Hubby and talk to him for the whole ride home to keep myself from stopping.

    I think that for me, I am just going to have to avoid trigger foods indefinitely. Best of luck to you, we're all here for one another.
  • yuggybuggy
    yuggybuggy Posts: 20 Member
    I also have binge eating disorder, and like some others have said, its nice to know we are not alone in this struggle

    I didn't have a problem as a child as food was carefully controlled by adults
    but it got a lot harder after I went to uni and beyond

    I have done the hiding chocolate around the house thing, comforted in the knowledge that it was there for me to run to

    now living alone is not the greatest thing as there is no one to even catch me at it
    I even bought proper flowery shopping bags so people wouldn't see the contents of my shopping when I walked home

    I do think some of it is sugar addiction, and the beginning of turning things around for me was when I realised one day that my need for 'that biscuit', however desperate, was nothing compared to the need of the second one

    I do find eating low carbs has made my battle with bingeing a bit easier, and when things are too much I am afraid i sometimes turn to other self destructive tactics, to avoid the food

    food still frightens me
    it is a huge trigger
    and i hate it when people say - oh just have one - oh you need a treat now and again - oh don't become so obsessive dah dah dah dah

    they have no idea how big and fast that slippery slope is for me

    my only wish now, is that this low carb eating would give me the energy that sugar seems to



  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
    yuggybuggy wrote: »
    I realised one day that my need for 'that biscuit', however desperate, was nothing compared to the need of the second one

    food still frightens me
    it is a huge trigger
    and i hate it when people say - oh just have one - oh you need a treat now and again - oh don't become so obsessive dah dah dah dah

    they have no idea how big and fast that slippery slope is for me

    Thanks for your vivid and memorable insights.

    Dr. Bernstein often warns diabetics that the danger of having 'that biscuit' is not the transient blip on the glucose/insulin radar, but rather the sad truth that where the human species is concerned, the first embrace of temptation is rarely the last.

    It may have been Dr. Phinney who compared diet deviations to taking a step off the top of a sand dune and winding up halfway down the hill. It's not much work to stay on top once you've finally gotten there, but it takes a lot of it to trudge back up.

    Good luck with the energy part. It does take several weeks of continuous ketosis to adapt to the change, and there's a reason folks are constantly searching for a better BPC formula....
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
    tattoomary wrote: »
    I currently reading a book that Id like to recommend its called 'The Hear and Now Habit' my favourite quote in it is 'How I live this moment is how I live my life'. It's about being mindfull in 'this' moment dont worry about the pat or the future. So for this moment I will not eat sugar ;)

    That sounds like a good antidote to "future me" thinking (such as, "the future me will spend an entire day cleaning the garage").

  • yuggybuggy
    yuggybuggy Posts: 20 Member
    edited August 2016
    I think there are different issues
    I certainly have or had a sugar addiction, which is forever poised to bite me

    but my binge eating disorder is also in addition to this
    it is emotionally based and triggered
    it is NOTHING to do with liking food or wanting lots
    it is not pleasurable it is bloody torture

    I agree 'daylitemag' re. not being able to 'give food up'

    at my mh unit they ran a 'stop smoking' group but when I asked for them to run a 'stop eating' group the psychologist just laughed and said "you cant stop eating"
    my response was - EXACTLY - I CAN'T and I don't see why smokers should get help but people like me cant

    I think its the hardest thing, since we HAVE to eat, we cant cut food out completely, so everyday is a challenge and everyday is a battle and everyday is scary
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
    edited August 2016
    There does seem to be research into the addiction part of it, though pot-bellied Dr. Phil hasn't written a book about it, and Dr. Oz has not yet cooked up a Food Addiction Diet to serve the masses.
    RECENT FINDINGS:
    Recent work on food use disorders has demonstrated that the same neurobiological pathways that are implicated in drug abuse also modulate food consumption, and that the body's regulation of food intake involves a complex set of peripheral and central signaling networks. Moreover, new research indicates that rats can become addicted to certain foods, that men and women may respond differently to external food cues, and that the intrauterine environment may significantly impact a child's subsequent risk of developing obesity, diabetes, and hypercholesterolemia.

    SUMMARY:
    First, work presented in this review strongly supports the notion that food addiction is a real phenomenon. Second, although food and drugs of abuse act on the same central networks, food consumption is also regulated by peripheral signaling systems, which adds to the complexity of understanding how the body regulates eating, and of treating pathological eating habits. Third, neurobiological research reviewed here indicates that traditional pharmacological and behavioral interventions for other substance-use disorders may prove useful in treating obesity.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20495452 (2010)

  • elize7
    elize7 Posts: 1,088 Member
    After a year or so of determined ferocious adherence to keto and significant weight loss, something changed.
    Some hoped for result was not realized, some empty void not filled and for a half year or so I am at the mercy of the binge beast...fighting it daily but so far losing that battle in a big way.
    I have no answers for stopping or healing this situation and I feel that I try everything I can to get a handle on it.
    I also have decided to continue to keep to my keto or LC woe as best as I can every day, regardless of success or defeat. New day, clean slate. But this doesn't mean that I escape the pain, humiliation, loss of self control, embarrassment, etc. that each binge brings.
    I don't understand it, maybe never will, but I know that I have this disorder and have had it for 50 of my 60 years, in one form or another at differing times of my life.
    All I seem to be able to do with it is just keep on trying and hope that I can eventually put together more sane weeks than binge weeks.
    And then ride that wave for as long as I can.
  • KetoTheKingdom
    KetoTheKingdom Posts: 33 Member
    RalfLott wrote: »
    Having worked in restaurants, it's no stretch to imagine off-label preparation of even the most tempting carb-bombs.....

    Such as sugar and flour in soups and sauces?

    I saw a "healthy choice" wrap in the hospital cafeteria last week. The tortilla was 29g of net carbs, but the description used the term, "low carb wrap."
  • yuggybuggy
    yuggybuggy Posts: 20 Member
    elize7 - that is what concerns me, too
    I have been 'working on my weight' since January and have had quite a few lapses back into lots of bingeing, and many smaller binges
    but I am really scared of it all totally caving
    I don't want to put that weight back on, I am so sure of that
    but when it gets triggered in your head it is SUCH a battle

    at mh unit we are working through a book/treatment for binge eating disorder
    it has several steps
    the first is to log everything you eat/drink - when, where, what was happening, if it was a binge or not

    after a few weeks of that - ADD a planned timetable of meals, and snacks
    the idea being that when lunging for food you can hold out until then next TIME slot !!!!

    cant remember the rest
    oh how bad is that, will find book and write more if you or anyone is interested xx
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