When did Atkins become Keto LOL
rvrmom
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Do you say Keto or Atkins? LOL. I'm old school so I say Atkins. I tell anyone under 30 and they scratch their heads LOL
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I don't think they are exactly the same thing...but I really don't know for sure...someone smarter than I weigh in here... @Dragonwolf, @FIT_Goat, etc....0
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I think Keto is what Atkins induction phase is. I'm not sure but I think Atkins is designed to increase carbs as it goes on3
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Keto is a part of Atkins, commonly referred to as the induction phase. The later stages of Atkins where carbs are reintroduced are not generally low enough to keep nutritional ketosis in place.5
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Ditto to Sunny_Bunny and Gallowmere1. The induction phase only is keto. Also, Atkins recommended a fat fast if a person could not break through metabolic resistance. Other than that, the goal is, after the ongoing weight loss stage to add carbs back in moderately until you find that point where you don't gain or lose weight.1
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People sometimes ask me how keto is different from Atkins and I tell them I really don't know.
I never say Atkins b/c I don't know that much about it and don't follow it. I usually say I'm keto or low carb/high fat and then explain a bit. 2 -
A true Ketogenic diet has a 4:1 ratio of fats to combined protein and carbs. One ensures they get their required fats in then only the amount of protein necessary for health. If there are calories available (and there would be if designed by a dietician/medical professional) one eats carbs but only to the point of not upsetting the 4:1 ratio.
Atkins can be considerably different to the degree of a having a 1:1 ratio. As often seen in this forum, limit carbs (to less than 20 grams), get your needed protein and fill in with fat to satiation. (Generally speaking).
My opinion is: high fat is priority in keto. Low carb is priority in Atkins.8 -
A true Ketogenic diet has a 4:1 ratio of fats to combined protein and carbs. One ensures they get their required fats in then only the amount of protein necessary for health. If there are calories available (and there would be if designed by a dietician/medical professional) one eats carbs but only to the point of not upsetting the 4:1 ratio.
Atkins can be considerably different to the degree of a having a 1:1 ratio. As often seen in this forum, limit carbs (to less than 20 grams), get your needed protein and fill in with fat to satiation. (Generally speaking).
My opinion is: high fat is priority in keto. Low carb is priority in Atkins.
Technically, that's classical keto. Even the medical studies, there are actually at least three different types of accepted ketogenic diets -- classical keto, modified Atkins (basically induction without intention of anything else), and coconut/MCT oil augmented (slightly higher carb, using the ketone generating power of MCTs to fill in the rest).4 -
Phinney & Volek in their recent Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living and update of Atkins, A New Atkins for a New You, specifically suggest adding fat when transitioning from weight loss to maintenance, so as not to lose the benefits of carbohydrate restriction.
Both low-carb and high fat are emphasized in modern Atkins.4 -
I think Atkins excluded dairy and cheese and cream is a frequent part of my diet. I consider myself to be keto and not Atkins.
... I consider myself to be Bernstein, if I had o put a label on what type of keto diet I follow. That or Primal.
Ugh, It's getting hard to keep it all straight. LOL2 -
I'm with you.
Phinney/Volek/Westman/Bernstein pretty much keep you on the straight and narrow as to principle but cut a wide swath for individual food preferences (avoiding the doctrinaire eat-tons-of-/never-eat animal, fiber, proprietary supplements, etc., which can unnecessarily burden a lifestyle change that's foreign to start with..... ).2 -
I don't think Atkins had the research to fully understand how his higher (than modern LCHF) recommendations of protein impacted the body. Some on Atkins struggled with weight loss and satiety still because of the body's ability to create glucose from protein called gluconeogenesis. I think, for me, to stay on this woe, I could not do it without the high fat and keeping protein under or around 20%. I am a recovering pastry-a-holic. lol5
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Aha! That's modern Atkins in a nutshell.0
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As people have said above the induction phase is keto but the o.w.l. and maintenance won't be for a lot of people. I feel like the older versions of the diet were stricter on carbs in all stages. I guess because they are a brand they have had to adapt to what sells. Right now people are very into the you can eat anything in moderation so their ads seem to want to emphasize that you can eat veggies and fruits. Chocolaty snacks. All carbs aren't bad...etc...
Honestly nowadays I think if I said I was on the Atkins diet people would probably assume I was eating sugar alcohol laden meal bars, snack bars, and shakes all day.1 -
As people have said above the induction phase is keto but the o.w.l. and maintenance won't be for a lot of people. I feel like the older versions of the diet were stricter on carbs in all stages. I guess because they are a brand they have had to adapt to what sells. Right now people are very into the you can eat anything in moderation so their ads seem to want to emphasize that you can eat veggies and fruits. Chocolaty snacks. All carbs aren't bad...etc...
Honestly nowadays I think if I said I was on the Atkins diet people would probably assume I was eating sugar alcohol laden meal bars, snack bars, and shakes all day.
Yeah, those Atkins bars. Handy to have one around for a real emergency, maybe, but otherwise...
But note - The current authors do NOT advocate dumping ketosis. Rather, they recommend you try to keep the carb level that worked for you during weight loss.
They are about the most dogged, dyed-in-the-wool keto proponents as you can find anywhere (both going at it academically for 20+ years, I believe).0 -
As people have said above the induction phase is keto but the o.w.l. and maintenance won't be for a lot of people. I feel like the older versions of the diet were stricter on carbs in all stages. I guess because they are a brand they have had to adapt to what sells. Right now people are very into the you can eat anything in moderation so their ads seem to want to emphasize that you can eat veggies and fruits. Chocolaty snacks. All carbs aren't bad...etc...
Honestly nowadays I think if I said I was on the Atkins diet people would probably assume I was eating sugar alcohol laden meal bars, snack bars, and shakes all day.
Yeah, those Atkins bars. Handy to have one around for a real emergency, maybe, but otherwise...
But note - The current authors do NOT advocate dumping ketosis. Rather, they recommend you try to keep the carb level that worked for you during weight loss.
They are about the most dogged, dyed-in-the-wool keto proponents as you can find anywhere (both going at it academically for 20+ years, I believe).
That's good to know! I have not read the most recent Atkins book. Is it Phinney & Volek? I do love their The Art and Science of Low Carb Living!
I have read the side of the meal bars boxes and they heavily encourage lots of meals bars, shakes, snack bars, and frozen meals! lol!
I do like their Meatloaf frozen dinner in a pinch I will admit! I can't do the bars because I don't tolerate Splenda. I get them for my husband on occasion.
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Yeah, it's pretty much a simplified, popular-press version of the Art & Science.
If I find them on sale, I'm going to start ordering them in bulk for friends, family, etc.,who only have the patience for one read, max. (You can pick them up used at Amazon for a song, but the shipping still gets you.)
You're right, the Atkins products really are a mixed bag, and some are pretty good!1 -
Agree with what everyone has said. Induction is keto pretty much but the rest is low carb yes but not keto.
I will only have the bars around for emergencies. I don't do the shakes or candy though.0 -
Recently visited my 94 y/o grandparents and when she asked what I eat & I told her she said "Oh, you're on the Atkins diet". Yes, grandma
but then she wanted to buy me all the low carb Akins treats. 2 -
Dr Westman has his own line of "food". Adapt Bars, Adapt Meals, etc. They're sweetened with Steviol Glyosides. It appears they're available on-line only. Heck, I live 20 minutes from his office and it doesn't even show them available there. I'm not interested in purchasing. just thought I'd share the info. adaptyourlife.com2
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Dr Westman has his own line of "food". Adapt Bars, Adapt Meals, etc. They're sweetened with Steviol Glyosides. It appears they're available on-line only. Heck, I live 20 minutes from his office and it doesn't even show them available there. I'm not interested in purchasing. just thought I'd share the info. adaptyourlife.com
Hmm. Ever try one?0 -
GlitterRayne wrote: »Agree with what everyone has said. Induction is keto pretty much but the rest is low carb yes but not keto.
I will only have the bars around for emergencies. I don't do the shakes or candy though.
These days, it's all keto, except if you don't want it to be (unless you're still back in a prior Atkins universe, of course).0 -
I don't think Atkins became keto. When Dr. Atkins' successors took over, it turned from "low carb" into "selling as much over-processed factory food as we can possibly cram down the throats of America." I'm in the process of planning for a trip that involves several airport layovers where we'll be lucky to make our connections, much less get anything to eat on the ground. I shopped around for not-too-horrible carry-on snacks and am kicking myself for buying the Atkins products I grabbed in a hurry at the grocery store.0
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The Atkins "brand" was trying to compete with the likes of Weight Watchers and Nutrisystem so they naturally evolved into processed foods. The original message behind the hype is still as valid as ever.3
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Yep, @dmariet116.
Atkins, the quick food =/=
Atkins, the diet (currently known as New Atkins for a New You)
It's clothes are pop press, and there's some softening of the words compared to the 2 Art & Science books, but it's solid. (This is not Oz!)
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jeffkirkwold wrote: »I don't think Atkins had the research to fully understand how his higher (than modern LCHF) recommendations of protein impacted the body. Some on Atkins struggled with weight loss and satiety still because of the body's ability to create glucose from protein called gluconeogenesis. l
About 15 years ago, I lost 80 pounds on what I called "modified Atkins" (not to be confused with what is generally called modified Atkins today). My meal plan was low fat and low carb so I never stopped feeling hungry. Lost a lot of hair, too. When my doc said that eating low carb was bad for me, I finally gave it up and began gaining weight again. I agree that not enough was understood about high protein and gluconeogenesis. I'm pretty sure that between too much protein and too little fat, my chances for success were doomed from the start. It's hard to stay on a woe that leaves you hungry most of the time.2 -
I hate when I see things like this - "LOSE up to 15 POUNDS in 2 WEEKS!" It sets up unrealistic expectations for most people. But, you know anything to make money - it's the American way!
Yep, the comparison is pretty instructive on how dumbed down big publishers feel they need to get in order to sell stuff.
("Up to" 15 lbs in 2 weeks? Well, if the first 10 are fluid...)1 -
I once lost 13lbs in two weeks, cabbage soup diet... I think half the weight was lost by scrubbing the house afterwards to get rid of the smell of cabbage (5 female students eating nothing but cabbage soup for 2 weeks.... not pretty)
I did try the good old Atkins back in the days, but never got on with it, but if the new and improved version introduces more to this woe I don't mind tbh. I am feeling better than I have done for years. I usually have an Atkins bar in my handbag if I go somewhere where I might not be able to find something to eat, being gluten free can be a pain at times, but it is one of the better options to eat out there, still high in carbs but nothing like most of the bars out there. Most of the high protein bars are unfortunately filled with wheat, so at least this gives me one decent option to help out in emergencies.1 -
I once lost 13lbs in two weeks, cabbage soup diet... I think half the weight was lost by scrubbing the house afterwards to get rid of the smell of cabbage (5 female students eating nothing but cabbage soup for 2 weeks.... not pretty)
I did try the good old Atkins back in the days, but never got on with it, but if the new and improved version introduces more to this woe I don't mind tbh. I am feeling better than I have done for years. I usually have an Atkins bar in my handbag if I go somewhere where I might not be able to find something to eat, being gluten free can be a pain at times, but it is one of the better options to eat out there, still high in carbs but nothing like most of the bars out there. Most of the high protein bars are unfortunately filled with wheat, so at least this gives me one decent option to help out in emergencies.
Scrubbing the house?
Just what did you propel out that sprout launcher of yours?0
