I've been low carb, thinking of going Keto.

KarlyHK
KarlyHK Posts: 114 Member
edited November 13 in Social Groups
I typically stay under 75 carbs a day. And try to be around 80-100 on protein. (That's total carbs not net. So far I haven't found a way that MFB separates bad/good carbs)

I dont know if that's even the right amounts to be in, but so far it has worked for me. I've gone from 133 to 116 in 3 months.

I mostly eat meat, cheese, veggies, and yogurt. Oh and almonds.

Am I even doing low carb correctly? What are the carb to fat to protein ratios I should have if I decide to go the keto route?

Also please tell me f my low carb rations are wrong. Is 75 too many carbs?
No matter what it's better than what I use to eat!

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  • BT_rescuemom
    BT_rescuemom Posts: 284 Member
    What are your goals for going Keto if you don't mind me asking? Since you have been able to bring your weight down with low carb already. Congrats on that BTW.

    Keto typically is less than 20 carbs in 24 hours. Hit your protein goal and eat fat to satiety.
  • KarlyHK
    KarlyHK Posts: 114 Member
    I don't know a lot about keto, other than the fact that it's high fat.

    I wasn't sure if I just set my protein goal, or if there is a certain number I want to meet?

    I'm interested in keto mostly cause my sister has switched from low carb to keto and loves it. I thought maybe it would help me lose the last few pounds I'm trying to shed. But if it's smarter to continue on my low carb diet, I will.
  • Sunny_Bunny_
    Sunny_Bunny_ Posts: 7,140 Member
    KarlyHK wrote: »
    I don't know a lot about keto, other than the fact that it's high fat.

    I wasn't sure if I just set my protein goal, or if there is a certain number I want to meet?

    I'm interested in keto mostly cause my sister has switched from low carb to keto and loves it. I thought maybe it would help me lose the last few pounds I'm trying to shed. But if it's smarter to continue on my low carb diet, I will.

    It may help to lose the last few pounds especially if you do fasted exercise during. But you would likely gain a couple back in water upon raising carbs back to your current range. That's no big deal. Just realize it's not fat when it happens.
    But it's not really a "better" way to lose the last few pounds if what you're doing is working.
    But you can always give it a go and see what you think. Keep your protein where it is and lower carbs. You don't need to force feed yourself extra fat but you'll need a bit to make up for the carbs you're not eating. So it's really just a few calories really...
  • cstehansen
    cstehansen Posts: 1,984 Member
    @KarlyHK, I would say stick with what works. If you stall, maybe use keto to shake it up for a few weeks. You may also want to just try IF to shake it up if you hit a stall or even a full day of fasting. It sounds like you are losing at a very healthy sustainable pace, so unless that was all lost in the first two months and you have stayed even for the last month, I personally wouldn't change at all.
  • 603PIPER
    603PIPER Posts: 115 Member
    What I have been doing with keto is watching macros, 70%fat, 25% protein and 5% carbs, which is around 30g. I shoot for 30-50g of carbs, Ive played around bringing the amount up and 50 still keeps me in ketosis.

    From the sound of it, you are already doing well with your current plan! If you want to try it to see if it works any better for you you got nothing to lose! I love the energy I get on keto, not as sluggish when I am eating higher carbs.
  • grafixfrh
    grafixfrh Posts: 46 Member
    Go for it you will enjoy the ride. Keto on!!!
  • idocdlw
    idocdlw Posts: 208 Member
    Congrats on your awesome progress with LC. I think everyone does keto a little differently depending on individual needs. Take the input from everyone on this forum, visit a few macro calculator sites and experiment for yourself. You will eventually find the balance that is right for you.
  • clawson91
    clawson91 Posts: 106 Member
    I have been researching going from LC (under 50 carbs per day) to keto. I'm stalled on weight loss so thinking this may be a good change to get these last 10-12 pounds off. I used the following: http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/page/KetoDiet-Buddy and came up with 10% carbs, 20% protein and 70% fat. Input anyone?
  • Sunny_Bunny_
    Sunny_Bunny_ Posts: 7,140 Member
    clawson91 wrote: »
    I have been researching going from LC (under 50 carbs per day) to keto. I'm stalled on weight loss so thinking this may be a good change to get these last 10-12 pounds off. I used the following: http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/page/KetoDiet-Buddy and came up with 10% carbs, 20% protein and 70% fat. Input anyone?

    Being in full time ketosis has its benefits, but more fat loss as compared to your 50g carb plan, which no doubt had you in ketosis regularly, is probably not one of them. I mean, maybe. If you're very insulin resistant... or if you aren't getting enough appetite control at 50g causing you to graze all day...
    I've been consistently in ketosis at the lowest total carbs I can manage on a daily basis, which averages about 8-10g total (not net) per day since April and averaging less than 20g total prior to that and have been trying to lose the last 10 pounds for over a year. I've been keto for over 18 months. All of the weight I've lost happened in the first 5 months and then completely stopped. I did however lose an entire pant size without losing a single pound during that time.
    I'm still at about 30-34% bodyfat, which is more than I want and I've tried many things to "break the stall" over the last year only to actually gain back 5 pounds from my lowest ever weigh in. My clothes didn't get any smaller though.
    I honestly think that at some point, our bodies just try really hard to put the breaks on losing anymore fat. For me, at 41 years old, maybe 30% bodyfat is what nature considers normal and nothing short of intense workouts and building some muscle or forcing it off by significantly undereating consistently, will likely reduce that any further, and if I did those things and lost that last bit of weight, could I even maintain it if I didn't keep doing the thing that created the change? I just don't feel like that's probable. I know that I want to eat at keto levels for the rest of my life because I fully believe in its long term health benefits and I honestly don't miss anything at all from my previous diet. I haven't even needed low carb bread or sweet food alternatives to stay compliant. This isn't going to be a challenge for me long term and so I am confident that my current weight and bodyfat will be easy to maintain.
    I'm working on establishing exercise that becomes just as natural to me for the long term and I have been doing well lately, but if I were only driven by losing the last 10 pounds I would be stopping because all I've done since I started is gain weight. I have to trust the process and trust that my body knows what it's doing. I couldn't possibly be more compliant to a keto way of life, but that alone just isn't going to create the fat loss I want. Even weighing and measuring every single thing I eat to the gram and keeping calories low didn't do it. I don't know why the last 10 pounds are so hard, but I just feel like if we do everything right, we're not falling off the wagon or eating questionable foods or pushing our luck with some bad habits... then there's just more to it than we understand and I personally have accepted that and I'm okay with it. I changed my focus to developing muscle since according to estimations from my scale I am at the low end of normal for a woman my age. Instead of forcing my body to lose the fat it apparently doesn't want to give up, I will work on gaining muscle and strength which is so important for long term health.
    There's nothing wrong with focusing on fat loss, but I think what's required to make that happen is more in line with specific training like what someone might do for a competition. Very focused on being 100% compliant to a strict plan specifically designed for that intent. I don't hold much faith in long term maintenance of that kind of thing though.
  • cstehansen
    cstehansen Posts: 1,984 Member
    Quote for the day for those discussing that "last 10 lbs" that I heard today:

    "There is no such thing as the perfect weight, just perfect health."

    Generally speaking, I think most of us started with a somewhat arbitrary number since no two people have exactly the same genetics, body type, muscle mass, etc. The entire BMI model along with the airbrushed photos on magazine covers has led to very unrealistic expectations for many people.

    Initially, I thought between 170-175 would be my final weight. Turns out when I dropped below 180, it didn't feel so good. I have found I feel the best (and my wife would say I look the best) where I am now which is hovering between 180 & 183.

    According to the BMI chart, at 6'1" my weight should be between 144 and 182. Being right at the very tippy top of that and sometimes just over it seemed like I was pushing the envelope. However, I can't imagine being anywhere near that 144 mark. I am pretty sure I would look like one of those starving people in a 3rd world country during a famine.

    As you lose, you need to re-evaluate those goals. Body fat CAN be a good marker (and for a woman in her early 40's, 30% is considered healthy), but not always. Where the fat is makes more of a difference. From a health standpoint, for a woman, you want your waist to be no more than 75% of the size of your hips (i.e. if hips are 40" then waist should be no larger than 30"). That number is 80% for men.

    There are other measurement ratios you can check which along with BF% are going to be WAY better indicators than the number on the scale. Even better is how you feel.
  • RowdysLady
    RowdysLady Posts: 1,370 Member
    I'm with you @cstehansen I should be like in the 170s but I'd look ridiculous at that weight, I think...tall, gangly and gaunt. My goal once I'm finally under 200 again is to see what 180ish looks like and go from there. I've never seen anything less than 194 but I felt then I was looking pretty good then (that was about 10 years ago)
  • idocdlw
    idocdlw Posts: 208 Member
    Yup...this...physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually...

    "There is no such thing as the perfect weight, just perfect health."
  • clawson91
    clawson91 Posts: 106 Member
    Just want to try to clear something up. I did NOT lose my nearly 40 lbs. on 50 carbs per day. (I want to lower to 50 or less per day) I was still following basically Weight Watchers which had my carbs well over 100 daily (never really tracked carbs until I found this board). I've always tried to do lower carbs due to my medical conditions. I've only discovered LCHF within the past few months. At that time I lowered my carbs to around 80-90 a day but my fat was still low-moderate and my protein was still high (150 a day). I'm trying to reduce protein and increase fat. I've read excess protein turns to glucose so I figured keto or very low carb would be a good plan. I do exercise but not enough to for my body to use all that protein. I am hypothyroid and have an autoimmune disease. I am not trying to lose vanity weight. Yeah, my face looks thin in my pic but I carry excess fat around my lower stomach which is the worse place for a woman to carry fat. And I mean to the point I wear a size larger pants just to accommodate my stomach which are way loose on my waist. (and I know there is no such thing as spot reduction but my body can lose more fat.) Plus I am only 5 feet tall. So losing the last 10 -12 pounds is not vanity nor am I "too old" to lose a few more pounds. I know the BMI can be misleading but according to BMI I should weigh between 100 - 125 pounds. That is far too thin and it's not going to happen. This is not about perfect weight but becoming a healthier me. I have learned so much from this site and appreciate everyone who has answered questions and given helpful suggestions along the way. Especially @KnitOrMiss helping me with supplements. And I truly hope no one takes this post wrong like I'm mad or something. I just felt I had not explained my journey that led me to this point well enough.
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    clawson91 wrote: »
    Just want to try to clear something up. I did NOT lose my nearly 40 lbs. on 50 carbs per day. (I want to lower to 50 or less per day) I was still following basically Weight Watchers which had my carbs well over 100 daily (never really tracked carbs until I found this board). I've always tried to do lower carbs due to my medical conditions. I've only discovered LCHF within the past few months. At that time I lowered my carbs to around 80-90 a day but my fat was still low-moderate and my protein was still high (150 a day). I'm trying to reduce protein and increase fat. I've read excess protein turns to glucose so I figured keto or very low carb would be a good plan. I do exercise but not enough to for my body to use all that protein. I am hypothyroid and have an autoimmune disease. I am not trying to lose vanity weight. Yeah, my face looks thin in my pic but I carry excess fat around my lower stomach which is the worse place for a woman to carry fat. And I mean to the point I wear a size larger pants just to accommodate my stomach which are way loose on my waist. (and I know there is no such thing as spot reduction but my body can lose more fat.) Plus I am only 5 feet tall. So losing the last 10 -12 pounds is not vanity nor am I "too old" to lose a few more pounds. I know the BMI can be misleading but according to BMI I should weigh between 100 - 125 pounds. That is far too thin and it's not going to happen. This is not about perfect weight but becoming a healthier me. I have learned so much from this site and appreciate everyone who has answered questions and given helpful suggestions along the way. Especially @KnitOrMiss helping me with supplements. And I truly hope no one takes this post wrong like I'm mad or something. I just felt I had not explained my journey that led me to this point well enough.

    @clawson91 - I didn't take anything away from any of your posts indicating that you're made or needing to justify anything. We're all here on our own reasons and needs...unless someone is being dangerous to their own health, like eating 400 calories a day of butter for months on end and that's it, or something equally ridiculous, I don't think anyone is expecting justification. It's your body and your health and you know what you are worried about!

    You are so welcome on the supplements. It is my current passion. :) Best of luck as you continue on! And yup, you're looking fabulous. So keep on keeping on. As long as you don't give up, you've got this!
  • cstehansen
    cstehansen Posts: 1,984 Member
    clawson91 wrote: »
    Just want to try to clear something up. I did NOT lose my nearly 40 lbs. on 50 carbs per day. (I want to lower to 50 or less per day) I was still following basically Weight Watchers which had my carbs well over 100 daily (never really tracked carbs until I found this board). I've always tried to do lower carbs due to my medical conditions. I've only discovered LCHF within the past few months. At that time I lowered my carbs to around 80-90 a day but my fat was still low-moderate and my protein was still high (150 a day). I'm trying to reduce protein and increase fat. I've read excess protein turns to glucose so I figured keto or very low carb would be a good plan. I do exercise but not enough to for my body to use all that protein. I am hypothyroid and have an autoimmune disease. I am not trying to lose vanity weight. Yeah, my face looks thin in my pic but I carry excess fat around my lower stomach which is the worse place for a woman to carry fat. And I mean to the point I wear a size larger pants just to accommodate my stomach which are way loose on my waist. (and I know there is no such thing as spot reduction but my body can lose more fat.) Plus I am only 5 feet tall. So losing the last 10 -12 pounds is not vanity nor am I "too old" to lose a few more pounds. I know the BMI can be misleading but according to BMI I should weigh between 100 - 125 pounds. That is far too thin and it's not going to happen. This is not about perfect weight but becoming a healthier me. I have learned so much from this site and appreciate everyone who has answered questions and given helpful suggestions along the way. Especially @KnitOrMiss helping me with supplements. And I truly hope no one takes this post wrong like I'm mad or something. I just felt I had not explained my journey that led me to this point well enough.

    I think all of us wish we could do spot reduction. I have gotten to the point of seeing a 6 pack, but still have these little "love handles" on my lower back. Granted, they are not the size they used to be, but still just an annoyance.

    No one is too old to become healthier. Until just the last 1 to 1 1/2 years, my philosophy was I would workout as much as I had to in order to eat what I wanted when I wanted and as much as I wanted. That lead me to T2 diabetes despite never being significantly overweight. Gorging on pizza buffets and large Dairy Queen Blizzards into my mid forties before taking diet seriously was not too late for me to get significantly healthier since just last summer. In fact, I would say much of that was at low(er) carb but the last 3 months of keto saw the best results from an improvement in body composition without much change in weight. I can honestly say I feel healthier now than I did 20-25 years ago.

    This is not about weight loss per se. It is about being healthy. Research shows again and again that our diets gradually increasing in carbs (especially sugar and processed carbs) over the last 50+ years has had a detrimental effect on our collective health. I am glad you found this group. I have found so much help from many here, not just from advice, but from links to the actual research.

    Getting the right proportions like hip to waist ratio are important to overall risk for disease. Everyone here will support you in your journey for health. We are not going to judge you as trying to do this out of vanity. There are probably some in this group who are looking for weight loss for those purposes, but from the vast majority of the posts, it is obvious that health is the primary concern.

    And, it is ok to be mad. Just be mad you didn't have the information you needed sooner. Be mad at the body you have - mad enough to lose it for the one you should have.
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