Meat only dieters
monikker
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I'm thinking about trying a meat only diet to help me get my six pack. I guess technically a few other things are allowable like butter and cream but a 30 day meat cleanse (lol) is just meat and water.
Does anyone ever do meat only diets? Besides Goat, I know he's pretty into this type of eating. Is the key to not feeling crappy really just eating until I'm full? Just because, for the first few days - that could be like 3 pounds of steak and I will feel like I'm way overeating. But if I only eat 1 lb - 1.5 lbs, I feel crappy - because I'm not keto adapted, I assume. I just don't know if I can suffer the weakness and hunger for more than a few days. It's not possible to overeat? What if I'm truly only eating meat and water and I'm starving for 3 weeks and I eat 3 pounds a day? That's over my TDEE. What if I still feel like crap?! By crap I mean that I feel like I'm withering away into oblivion and want to eat for an hour. Not like dizziness or headaches etc. Do you just magically go from being really hungry so that you're constantly eating meat to one day not being hungry any more?
The Zero Carb Zen blog said to eat when you're hungry and stop when you're full.
WHAT IF I'M EATING ALL DAY WILL IT STOP DOES IT MATTER
Can I do this diet, actually lose weight, and not be hungry? Lol.
Does anyone ever do meat only diets? Besides Goat, I know he's pretty into this type of eating. Is the key to not feeling crappy really just eating until I'm full? Just because, for the first few days - that could be like 3 pounds of steak and I will feel like I'm way overeating. But if I only eat 1 lb - 1.5 lbs, I feel crappy - because I'm not keto adapted, I assume. I just don't know if I can suffer the weakness and hunger for more than a few days. It's not possible to overeat? What if I'm truly only eating meat and water and I'm starving for 3 weeks and I eat 3 pounds a day? That's over my TDEE. What if I still feel like crap?! By crap I mean that I feel like I'm withering away into oblivion and want to eat for an hour. Not like dizziness or headaches etc. Do you just magically go from being really hungry so that you're constantly eating meat to one day not being hungry any more?
The Zero Carb Zen blog said to eat when you're hungry and stop when you're full.
WHAT IF I'M EATING ALL DAY WILL IT STOP DOES IT MATTER
Can I do this diet, actually lose weight, and not be hungry? Lol.
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Why do you think this particular way of eating will help you get a six pack easier?2
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IMO, the best way to get to where we want to be is to live right now the way we plan to live for the rest of our lives. There's something counterproductive about "only" anything.
I really can't imagine meat only for the rest of my life. Or the rest of the week, for that matter. Even lions and tigers must occasionally nibble on some blades of grass from time to time.2 -
I feel best with all animal based foods but I do have tiny servings of veggies almost daily. I've just learned how much I can handle before my belly rebels on me.
I can't reasonably say that I won't eat veggies anymore so I still find a way to include them because I do believe that it's best to eat the way I intend to for the long term.
There's nothing wrong with changing up diet for short periods though. But once that period ends, there are bound to be changes that can make you feel like you're losing the progress you made. That's the thing I don't care for about them. I've done things like that though and I may again, idk. Just be prepared for the mental game at the end.
I was already keto adapted upon significantly going to all animal so I didn't notice a difference.
Honestly, the thing I credit for keeping my appetite in check is keto first then intermittent fasting. If you want to lose bodyfat keto and fasted cardio is a good bet based on the FASTER study.5 -
I'm on day 11 of a 30 day "challenge" to give zero carb a try and I love it. I'm down over 6 pounds so far, my appetite is under control, I haven't had to count or weigh anything. I like it. If you're not already in it, Zeroing in on Health is a great group on Facebook with many ZC veterans who've done this for years.4
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It's somewhat difficult not getting enough food volume, too much protein, & more expensive. On the plus side, it's non residual (BMs quite infrequent) & keeps you not too bloated when overeating (very little if any gas).
Not geared towards getting a 6 pack though...you've got to get that right combination of math (kcals, ratios), exercise, non exercise activity thermogenesis, & good old "genetics". Very tough goal, especially for a female.
Fitgoat probably has some good input1 -
Although I do eat other things, I do have meals and sometimes days of just meat and eggs - rare that I have no eggs for a whole day.
One key to not feel like I am starving without over eating is eating much slower than I normally do. I am normally they guy who can pack away 1500 cals in 5 minutes. This is from growing up poor where I had to eat quickly to keep either of my brothers from getting "seconds" by taking from my plate.
When eating heavy protein, the full feeling doesn't come from the expansion of the stomach like it does with bulky carbs. Instead it comes from hormones released when it hits the small intestine. Also, protein takes longer to get through the stomach than carbs do. Therefore, eating slower and chewing the food more completely will help you not overeat. At least this works for me.3 -
It's somewhat difficult not getting enough food volume, too much protein, & more expensive. On the plus side, it's non residual (BMs quite infrequent) & keeps you not too bloated when overeating (very little if any gas).
Not geared towards getting a 6 pack though...you've got to get that right combination of math (kcals, ratios), exercise, non exercise activity thermogenesis, & good old "genetics". Very tough goal, especially for a female.
Fitgoat probably has some good input
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So - I CAN overeat and gain by following the guidelines to eat when hungry and until full, even though I know the body is processing it differently and I'm not supposed to gain? Once you get to a certain point do you gain anyway?
I guess my concern is that I consume a crazy amount of protein like 300 g of protein for a few weeks or even a few days, that sounds bad. I realize that eventually I'm not supposed to be hungry as my body is happily burning fat but until I get to that point...
@MandiCole1 would love to hear specifics about your first week and getting the appetite under control - how were your first few days?? Did you eat as much as you wanted until your cravings and hunger lessened?0 -
>So - I CAN overeat and gain by following the guidelines to eat when hungry and until full, even though I know the body is processing it differently and I'm not supposed to gain? Once you get to a certain point do you gain anyway?
The guidelines for meat only re: eating when hungry and until full are for a couple reasons: they help break people of the calorie counting/dieting mindset and help people adapt to the way of eating as a lifestyle, they help people get over chronic fears of saturated fat, and help people learn to be able to trust their internal signals of fullness and satiety.
At first, it may well seem like you can eat 4 lbs of meat per day based solely on your hunger cues, and if you extrapolate this, then certainly you would gain weight.
>even though I know the body is processing it differently and I'm not supposed to gain?
While it may be true that all calories aren't created equally, the law of thermodynamics still does exist.
The idea of a long term commitment to meat only --- including plenty of fat --- is that your hunger pangs will subside, and the point at which you feel you have had enough calories for the day will be at a lower point than before if you were eating carbs.
@cstehansen makes an important point about satiety not being based on stomach volume. That is part of the adaptation process, learning what "full" means in terms of having given the body the energy it needs. That is also why the diet doesn't work too well as a quick fix thing, like for abs, because it's more about long term realigning of one's eating habits.1 -
I tried meat only for a few weeks. It didn't work well for me because I have never loved meat. Some meats like burger patties with mayo, cheese and sauces are loved, but sitting down to a meal of just steak or just roast almost seemed like work.
For me, because I did not enjoy a meal of just meat, I rarely over ate. It did feel like I was eating less, and felt a bit less satisfying to me, but I did not ever go back for seconds... And this was including some eggs and cheese too.
The only all meat experiment I was always hungry on was when I ate all bacon for a couple of days. My calorie limit of bacon was always gone way too quickly. LOL
I do best with some veggies and nuts, but staying in mild ketosis.2 -
I will respond in my detail when I get home. Waiting for my ride right now. But, you can eat enough to not lose weight on meat only. You can even eat enough to gain weight.2
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The guidelines for meat only re: eating when hungry and until full are for a couple reasons: they help break people of the calorie counting/dieting mindset and help people adapt to the way of eating as a lifestyle, they help people get over chronic fears of saturated fat, and help people learn to be able to trust their internal signals of fullness and satiety.
At first, it may well seem like you can eat 4 lbs of meat per day based solely on your hunger cues, and if you extrapolate this, then certainly you would gain weight.
>even though I know the body is processing it differently and I'm not supposed to gain?
While it may be true that all calories aren't created equally, the law of thermodynamics still does exist.
The idea of a long term commitment to meat only --- including plenty of fat --- is that your hunger pangs will subside, and the point at which you feel you have had enough calories for the day will be at a lower point than before if you were eating carbs.
I think kirkor does an excellent job of summarizing what I would say. Us carnivores are going to say to eat as much as you want to eat, no more and no less. It will help you break the cycle of calorie counting, adapt your mentality to eating like this, and it also helps ease the transition. It is very hard to over-eat for extended periods of time when just sticking with meat. It is probably impossible to put on significant amounts of excess fat eating just meat.
In the long-term, your body will approach an ideal/healthy weight when you stick to a meat-only diet. This may not happen as quickly as you want and it may not be a direct path. You might gain before you lose. It also does not ensure that you'll be thin. Being "thin" isn't exactly what your body wants. It wants enough fat, but not too much. Getting a six-pack just from eating meat to satiety isn't impossible, but it's unlikely. For men, it generally takes around a 10-12% body fat (some rare people higher and some people lower) before visible abs. Your ideal fat (for men) is a little higher than that (around 14-17% for most healthily active men). Now, eating zero-carb will almost certainly get you to the ideal percentage (14-17%) without much, if any, effort. Getting down below that might take some further effort.
You are probably pretty healthy if you have a 16% body fat percentage, as a male. But, you're not going to see abs. Meat-only will get you health. It won't [necessarily] get you cut like a body-builder.
You can get very lean on zero-carb. There's a reason body-builders often eat a "steak and eggs" type diet. It isn't automatic and it does take work. I would probably even say that getting below 9% (for men) would also be impossible without including some form of calorie restriction.
All of the above is something to keep in mind. I would recommend eating ad libitum (as much as you desire) for at least the first month, possibly two. See how that is working for you and where your hunger levels level out. After that time period, you should adjust as necessary for your own personal goals. For most people, who are just aiming for health and not specific fitness objectives, there is often no need to adjust because things work out just fine on their own. If you have specific goals, you might have to take finer control.
** I use the body fat percentages for men because I am familiar with them. The numbers for women are a few percentage points higher, but the same logic generally applies.
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Thanks for the insight, Goat.
I did check out the Zeroing in on Health group. There's an interesting air about it, haha. It helped me realize that people who are gaining weight unintentionally are not seeing it as a negative because it may only be short-term, and also it's a different kind of weight gain than one from a diet with carbs. Not fat gain, and possibly more muscle - although muscle is very difficult to gain so I'd want to see some research on that. Very interesting to gain but be losing fat and so to actually look smaller...but that's not everyone's experience. Some people have reached magical places both mentally and physically after a month or two and others are fat and unhappy after a few. So it definitely depends on your body I guess.
I think I'm going to try it...I just don't want to mess up on my goal of getting in shape. I don't think I can workout until my body has figured out how to run on just meat so I don't know how long that could take.2 -
No reason to stop working out. Are you already LCHF?0
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Ish. I've been doing 50-100 g carbs moderate fat for 2-3 weeks. I had a few workouts with carbs before and during. My body still wants that stuff probably even though I cut out a lot of crap. I can do cardio ok without a lot of gas but really can't lift weights without good gas in the tank. I mean that for real, I'm not very strong. I crap out dude. I dunno if eating steak first will fulfill that yet. If I'm drained when I drive up it's not gonna be pretty haha. I recently showed up like that on my LC diet and hadn't eaten in awhile - I just did some cardio and went home.0
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You could target your carbs around workouts a la TKD http://ketogains.com/2015/10/the-ketogains-tkd-targeted-ketogenic-diet-protocol/0
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Might try that. It sounds like it's the most helpful for performance for high intensity sprinting so maybe if I do HIIT or play basketball.
I was really hungry all day yesterday but finished up the day kinda hyper and I woke up not hungry. just need to figure out how my body responds to this over time. I ate meat only from Wed evening - Thurs evening but ate probably 150 carbs between Thurs evening & Fri early afternoon, then only ate meat for the rest of Fri. I was so drained and hungry is why I ate fruit and cereal and stuff, I felt better but at the same time still drained and still felt a need to consume. I think the LCMF calorie restrictions I've been doing is related to that too0 -
@monikker didn't see my notification until now! 2.5 weeks in and still going strong. I find myself going without food for 6-8 hours between lunch and dinner without even thinking about it. Feeling good. No hunger. No counting or weighing still. Halfway through December and I've already crushed my weight goal for the month.2
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Seems like a good way to burn out the kidneys, no?0
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Seems like a good way to burn out the kidneys, no?
All meat diets are not overly high in protein - I'm assuming that's what you are getting at. I doubt many carnivores are much above 30% protein unless they just choose lean meats. Meat heavy diets generally are not a problem for anyone with healthy kidneys.2 -
Seems like a good way to burn out the kidneys, no?
Like @nvmomketo said, if kidneys are healthy there's really no reason to be concerned about higher protein but a carnivore diet doesn't necessarily mean high protein anyway
Here's a *kitten* of a day I logged and ate no vegetables at all. Only meat and dairy. All animal products.
Protein was actually a bit low. Even on higher protein days I might be closer to 100g and that's still very comparable to others that eat a more varied diet.
Lol. I just saw that where I typed "here's a shot" was autocorrected to a profanity. My phone knows me too well.2 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Seems like a good way to burn out the kidneys, no?
Like @nvmomketo said, if kidneys are healthy there's really no reason to be concerned about higher protein but a carnivore diet doesn't necessarily mean high protein anyway
Here's a *kitten* of a day I logged and ate no vegetables at all. Only meat and dairy. All animal products.
Protein was actually a bit low. Even on higher protein days I might be closer to 100g and that's still very comparable to others that eat a more varied diet.
Lol. I just saw that where I typed "here's a shot" was autocorrected to a profanity. My phone knows me too well.
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MFP says this is me just barely in the "Healthy range for BMI" and says I'm at 24% body fat. I think this is part of what everyone talks about when they say don't focus too much on what the scale says. This progress picture was taken after about 8 months of LCHF and a loss of 45 lbs. I didn't eat anything specific to try and get abs (I know it's not a 6 pack yet but I'm getting there). And I do eat a lot, but the hunger did subside. I've followed the advice from all the helpful people on this site about letting your body tell you when it's hungry and I didn't get so wrapped up about calorie counts at the beginning. I did go very low carb and kept my total carb count at, or below 20g a day for a good 6 months at the beginning. I think that was the biggest thing that kicked off my weight loss and fat burning. And I do try and go to the gym before work when possible (13+ hour work days 6 days a week gets a bit tiring but I try). Don't look at my logged meals from yesterday though, lol! I've been easily maintaining this weight for 6 months now. A "before" picture is in the NSV thread if you want to see what a difference this WOE has made for me and how much it has helped others.4 -
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MFP says this is me just barely in the "Healthy range for BMI" and says I'm at 24% body fat. I think this is part of what everyone talks about when they say don't focus too much on what the scale says. This progress picture was taken after about 8 months of LCHF and a loss of 45 lbs. I didn't eat anything specific to try and get abs (I know it's not a 6 pack yet but I'm getting there). And I do eat a lot, but the hunger did subside. I've followed the advice from all the helpful people on this site about letting your body tell you when it's hungry and I didn't get so wrapped up about calorie counts at the beginning. I did go very low carb and kept my total carb count at, or below 20g a day for a good 6 months at the beginning. I think that was the biggest thing that kicked off my weight loss and fat burning. And I do try and go to the gym before work when possible (13+ hour work days 6 days a week gets a bit tiring but I try). Don't look at my logged meals from yesterday though, lol! I've been easily maintaining this weight for 6 months now. A "before" picture is in the NSV thread if you want to see what a difference this WOE has made for me and how much it has helped others.
Point well taken. You look great! Congrats.2 -
I can count to six in your picture @ruffneck813. I'd say you have the six pack.4
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Yeah, I'm late to this party. Most of the others have addressed most of your other concerns. However, I wanted to share my thoughts on this one, in particular:The Zero Carb Zen blog said to eat when you're hungry and stop when you're full.
WHAT IF I'M EATING ALL DAY WILL IT STOP DOES IT MATTER
Can I do this diet, actually lose weight, and not be hungry? Lol.
Believe it or not, if you give it enough time, your body will settle out and your weight and lean body mass will start normalizing. As mentioned, it may not be a direct path. Kelly Hogan had the experience where she gained weight at first, but after a few months, it started dropping again. Basically, her body needed to gain "proper" weight and weight distribution, and most of all -- she needed to heal. Once it was satisfied, she started leaning back out. Her intake naturally decreased -- she felt satisfied on less food, without actively restricting.
If that's not enough, I'll give you my own story:
I'm a horrible carb/sugar junkie. Reese's cups (especially the holiday ones) are the bane of my existence, as are mashed potatoes. I can consume a stupid amount of calories in those two foods in a single sitting, and worse, when I eat stuff like that, I never feel full.
Before I went low carb, I'd eat a huge plate full of spaghetti and go back for seconds, because I was still hungry. I just ate 600 calories worth of pasta, I should not be hungry. I tried just eating less. Watching portions, but eating the same things. You know, like the general advice is to do. I was miserable, because I felt starved all the time, even though I knew I shouldn't have been. We're not talking a little hungry. We're talking fighting the physiological drive to go find food, despite having consumed 2000 calories that day.
Long story short, I went low carb and saw a decrease in the cravings and hunger issues, but still couldn't lose weight. I could maintain like a champ, but that was it. In a fit of desperation, I tried all meat about a year and a half ago, and it was like angels singing.
Like you, I was worried that I would over eat on it. Eating a pound or two of meat a day seems like a ton of food. Surely I'd blow the calories, right? There's no way this would fill me up properly.
And yet, I had to consciously work in a little extra to ensure I was eating enough. My days consisted mostly of a pound of ground bison lightly cooked in butter for lunch (I skipped breakfast), and a "regular" serving or so of meat of some sort at dinner (often pork chops, sometimes more bison, sometimes chicken). The dinner meal was light, not because I felt it "should" be, but because I had very little appetite. I simply had no desire to eat in general.
I eventually just quit tracking altogether, because it got repetitive, but my average intake was still right where it was supposed to be for me to lose weight -- around 2000 calories.
What was particularly interesting was the day on Memorial Day weekend when I was working on the garden. And by "working on the garden," I mean "hauling bags of dirt and mulch around all day." According to my calculations (I don't remember off hand if I had my Fitbit at the time), I burned on the order of 4000 total calories, giving me an allotment of 3700 or so while maintaining a weight loss deficit. And I ate that much. A full rack of ribs at lunch and a sort of "bacon supreme" burger (bacon cheeseburger with bacon aioli) for dinner. I didn't worry about calories, but I logged it all for grins and giggles. I ate to satisfaction (okay, maybe a little beyond at dinner), and according to the log, I had consumed for the day, 3200 calories, nearly all of which in animal products (the ribs did, unfortunately, have a glaze that resulted in more sugar than I'd have liked, but given the energy output I had that day and the fact that it was lunch, I wasn't too concerned with it).
I still lost like 2lbs that week, and the next day, I was right back into my usual appetite.
So...your body will allow you to consume what it deems an appropriate amount for you to consume. Once you hit that point, it kind of becomes a chore to eat more. There have been times where I physically gagged at the thought of eating more.Seems like a good way to burn out the kidneys, no?
Believe it or not, unless you're actively seeking out the ultra-lean meats like skinless turkey or chicken breast, zero carb isn't overly high in protein.
Consider this -- most people go to zero carb from keto. Most keto people are eating 50g of carbs or less already. Even if you consider that net carbs, and assume something crazy like 100g of total carbs, you're talking 400 calories worth of all carbohydrates. When you're talking 2000 calories, that's not a huge difference. If you convert it entirely to fat, that's 44g of fat. Since you're eating whole meat, you're actually looking at somewhere around an additional 20-30g of each protein and fat. Since most low carb people tend to balance out around 100g of protein on a 2000 calorie average if they're not actively trying to swing that one way or another, that means you go up to a whole 130g of protein.
Here's an extreme example -- that day I consumed 3200 calories? 81g of carbs (thanks, Smokey Bones...), 250g of fat, and 161g of protein. 2876 calories from not-carb sources (so still a ton of meat), and only 161g of protein.
Okay, cool, but what about a typical day? I generally averaged about 100g of protein, with bison as my staple (which is a fairly lean meat as red meats go). The days that I consumed 150g or more of protein were the days I had chicken for one of my meals. So not really all that much, all things considered, since the high end works out to roughly 1g per pound of lean mass for me.5 -
I'm late to this thread too! I'm hoping your experience with zero carb has been good for you!
I began zero carb at the same time as the above poster (May 2015). The results were improved health that I couldn't deny! My experience with hunger was amazing because there wasn't any! The control I gained over food has been the greatest result (that I still enjoy!)! I was surprised to have the ability to ignore high carb foods because I didn't recognize them as proper fuel for my body anymore! Nineteen months later I still have that mindset about carnage. I'm sure this will have this opinion about food for the rest of my life!
As far as being "cut" while eating this way wasn't part of my goal. I'm sure anyone can achieve the "six pack" (thanks for the evidence @ruffneck813!! Looking great!!) too! But I believe that commitment is the key! As Nike says "Just do it"!
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I remember the early days, when I was the only person here eating meat-only. I didn't even bring it up, back then. I assumed it would horrify most members. Turns out, some others found it (most through Kelly's story) and decided to try it. It became quite the thing. The Meativore-May challenge was awesome.
I think I might do another 30 days of ground beef. That was really awesome, both for my budget and for the simplicity. I attribute most of the benefit from cutting out dairy. Of course, the responses I got on the blog posts were the most entertaining part.
I wish I had told people what I was doing earlier. Some people here needed it as badly as I did. Of course, I didn't know I needed it. I just wanted to do it because I didn't think it was really possible, despite reading several primary sources claiming that it was. I had to experiment on myself to know for sure. Then the benefits took hold, and I never looked back. Even when I have gone off diet, it has been with the full awareness that I was trading health/comfort/well-being for that food. I know how to eat to make my body work at its best.3 -
@FIT_Goat do you have a list of go-to recipes for the 30 days of ground beef? The concept intrigues me, but I need some variety in my culinary life. Thirty days of hamburger patties just won't cut it for me.
When I had my consultation with Amy Berger, she recommended upping my protein intake. It's been a challenge for me for a variety of reasons. Ground beef is relatively cheap and easy to prepare, so that may be a good focal point.0 -
I'm curious, for those who've tried the 'meat-only' WoE for a few weeks ... did anyone do before-and-after labs for comparison? I'd be curious as to the results of lipid profiles, etc., people experience doing this.
I'm getting my next labs in about two weeks and may make some dietary changes after that depending on where certain levels are. Right now I consume a fair amount of dairy ... often over 1 full cup of heavy cream per day (yum ) so it's going to be interesting seeing how that's affected my labs.0
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