Yup, I cycle between a "lean-gain" phase and a diet phase. I try not to fluctuate more than 10lbs between my 'dieted-down' weight and the completion of my gain phase before I start to diet again.

When working on gaining, I find I *do* need to eat more carbohydrate than some - regularly having between 75-100g in a day (still quite low-carb on 3500-4000 calories/day) depending on the workout that day. I find that carbohydrate both pre- and post-workout helps fuel the heavier exercise I do (both heavy lifting and HIIT) as well as triggering the insulin-release (what little I still produce) needed for muscle-growth.

When I'm dieting back down I tend to stick to 30-60g a day maximum - again, mostly depending on exercise.

Check out http://ketogains.com/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/ketogains/

albertabeefy wrote: »

Gallowmere1984 wrote: »

I did, once, got fat, never again. It appears to be a highly individual thing, but keto works great for me at shedding fat in a deficit, but was a one-way ticket to Tankassville in a surplus.

Basically, I gained 2.5 lbs./week on a 2800/day kcal average, which is *kitten* stupid, considering that I was lifting six to seven days per week. On my current setup (50p/25c/25f roughly) I'm putting down 3100-3500/day, gaining 0.75-1 lbs./week, and am seeing new veins pop on a weekly basis, lifting four to five days per week.

Pisses me off too. I genuinely prefer keto foods, but not at the expense of results.

Isn't it amazing how different two people can be when comparing results of the same diet? I'm 51 years old and eat 3500-4000 calories of keto diet per day (when bulking), and gain about .8lb per week.

These extraordinary differences two people can have is one of the reasons it can be so difficult to find a dietary plan that works for the goals people have. What works for one just doesn't always work for others.

Absolutely true, and it's not just in nutrition either. If you look at the wide array of the very strongest and most muscular individuals throughout history, almost none of them trained in ways that are even remotely similar.

It's why I am such a big proponent of people trying different things and finding what works for them. The modern obsession with studies and the imaginary "average person" anger me for this very reason. I don't know about you, but I don't know a single person who could match Hermann Goerner's overall strength (especially his overhead strength), and he was a monster long before steroids and squat racks even existed. Klokov is the closest I can think of.

I need to get back solidly into my maintenance range and then I want to work on gaining some muscle/recomping. I've never had much muscle and could definitely lose some more!