Fasting blood sugar results
Patti2008
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Last year fasting was 104. Today after 3 months LC it is 101 12 1/2 hrs fasting. Question for type 2 or insulin resistant people: would 2 hr post meal sugars be the best way to see where I really am? I'm thinking of getting a glucometer.
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I would recommend anyone who is diabetic or even IR have a glucometer. See this link:
https://chriskresser.com/how-to-prevent-diabetes-and-heart-disease-for-16/
Also, for T2 and IR in particular, the PP reading is more important than the fasting reading. The dawn phenomenon can continue forever, but avoiding the large spikes after eating will have huge benefits. See these links:
https://chriskresser.com/when-your-normal-blood-sugar-isnt-normal-part-1/
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https://chriskresser.com/when-your-“normal”-blood-sugar-isn’t-normal-part-2/
In addition, Dr Adam Naly, who is IR and was previously T2, says his fasting BG is still consistently around 105 every morning but he has been able to get his A1c down to 5.2. He says this is not uncommon for those with IR who have gone keto.3 -
@cstehansen, those are great resources, especially the first one - best discussion I've seen on why and how to test. Thanks for the tips!
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Thanks cstehanson. Excellent resources. I have not been diagnosed with type 2 or IR, but suspect I am there or headed there which is why I went LC. I am labeled as "impaired fasting glucose". I'd like to get a more complete picture of what is going on and will get a glucometer.0
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Thanks cstehanson. Excellent resources. I have not been diagnosed with type 2 or IR, but suspect I am there or headed there which is why I went LC. I am labeled as "impaired fasting glucose". I'd like to get a more complete picture of what is going on and will get a glucometer.
That term almost always means pre-diabetic and most of the time means IR, although there are other causes which I have found out personally recently.1 -
Last year fasting was 104. Today after 3 months LC it is 101 12 1/2 hrs fasting. Question for type 2 or insulin resistant people: would 2 hr post meal sugars be the best way to see where I really am? I'm thinking of getting a glucometer.
Once you have a glucometer, I recommend both 1 and 2 hours tests. People with truly normal glucose metabolism rarely go above 120. Testing only at 2 hours misses the peak of the spike. My personal goal is to keep my BG below 40 at all times (and preferaly below 120)0 -
Last year fasting was 104. Today after 3 months LC it is 101 12 1/2 hrs fasting. Question for type 2 or insulin resistant people: would 2 hr post meal sugars be the best way to see where I really am? I'm thinking of getting a glucometer.
Once you have a glucometer, I recommend both 1 and 2 hours tests. People with truly normal glucose metabolism rarely go above 120. Testing only at 2 hours misses the peak of the spike. My personal goal is to keep my BG below 40 at all times (and preferaly below 120)
Below 140 probably?0 -
Good advice needier. Thank you!0
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neohdiver! Despise autocorrect!1
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I read the Chris Kresser links. He says sustained blood sugars of 140! destroy pancreatic cells! That is scary. Got a meter today, going to read the instruction book tonight and start tomorrow.1
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I read the Chris Kresser links. He says sustained blood sugars of 140! destroy pancreatic cells! That is scary. Got a meter today, going to read the instruction book tonight and start tomorrow.
Here are Dr. Bernstein's tips (from over 110,000 self-tests he's done!)
http://www.diabetes-book.com/measure-blood-sugar/0 -
Very helpful! Thank you!0
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You'll get in the habit. I still test 4-10x, and I don't really even notice I'm doing it until I run low on strips.
What kind did you get, if you don't mind me asking?0 -
I'm not t2d, I'm sure I am IR. I've began testing my BS when I started keto just to see how food affects me. my FBS is always 95- 103. I always have 2 or 3 shots of black espresso for breakfast and nothing else and if I test again before I leave for work about 2 hours after I wake up I find that it has gone up a few points. 1 to 2 hours after dinner my first/only meal for most days it's right around 82-85. It makes me wonder what it was before I started eating 20g or less carbs a day.2
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I got the Relion prime at Walmart. Chis Kresser's article recommended it and I sure liked the price. I forgot to get the control solution to calibrate the meter (slaps forehead!) so back to the store today.0
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Question for all you smart people: if someone (who shall remain nameless) were to have a carb binge one day, you would expect FBG to be higher the next morning, right? If that same nameless person were to eat, say, <30g carbs the next day, would you expect FBG to still be high the morning after that?0
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Don't hit too many gnats on your forehead - you can pick up some Twinkies and Hi-C whilst you're there!0
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MyriiStorm wrote: »Question for all you smart people: if someone (who shall remain nameless) were to have a carb binge one day, you would expect FBG to be higher the next morning, right? If that same nameless person were to eat, say, <30g carbs the next day, would you expect FBG to still be high the morning after that?
For Day 3, yes, if the remorseful unknown person were to go on a penitent 20-mile hike on Day 2.
Otherwise... it depends. Diabetic?0 -
MyriiStorm wrote: »Question for all you smart people: if someone (who shall remain nameless) were to have a carb binge one day, you would expect FBG to be higher the next morning, right? If that same nameless person were to eat, say, <30g carbs the next day, would you expect FBG to still be high the morning after that?
I am one of those who may overdue it on the self experimentation. What I am finding is that PP readings may be good for seeing how certain foods affect the short term, FBG readings take making and keeping changes for several days to really see full impact. That is my personal experience so not sure if that is normal or not.1 -
MyriiStorm wrote: »Question for all you smart people: if someone (who shall remain nameless) were to have a carb binge one day, you would expect FBG to be higher the next morning, right? If that same nameless person were to eat, say, <30g carbs the next day, would you expect FBG to still be high the morning after that?
For Day 3, yes, if the remorseful unknown person were to go on a penitent 20-mile hike on Day 2.
Otherwise... it depends. Diabetic?
Yes, T2D. So you're saying not to expect lower FBG for 72 hours instead of 48? I. . . um, I mean. . . the nameless person is trying to keep blood glucose down, but FBG is always sketchy. Normally it is in the 110's-120's.
Carb binge Thursday (ate candy), Friday 13g carbs (total, not net), and FBG Saturday morning of 156.
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Just saw this link posted in another thread: https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/dawn-phenomenon-t2d-8/
While it doesn't answer my above question, it's still a great explanation of the Dawn Phenomenon and why FBG numbers tend to be higher in T2Ds.1 -
Good explanation.
We're all different on how high we bounce and how quickly we rebound. Actually, the variations are wide enough to fit an entire sub through sideways.
My tips, keep or toss..
1. Test frequently and diligently, and repeat apparent aberrant results right away.
2. Eat sugarless candy that gives you, er, laxative effects.
3. Keep your electrolytes flowing when you finally emerge from the loo.
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MyriiStorm wrote: »Question for all you smart people: if someone (who shall remain nameless) were to have a carb binge one day, you would expect FBG to be higher the next morning, right? If that same nameless person were to eat, say, <30g carbs the next day, would you expect FBG to still be high the morning after that?
In my first 6 months of eating VLC a single carb binge would affect my BG for up to 2 weeks and I would follow a binge with under 5 g/day until I was back to normal. Now a carb binge takes 3-5 days to get back to normal, depending on how bad it was. I stopped taking insulin a while back, so if I eat excessive carbs, I have to inject again and I'll need to inject for those 3-5 days (less and less each day) before I can get back off the meds.1 -
PaleoInScotland wrote: »MyriiStorm wrote: »Question for all you smart people: if someone (who shall remain nameless) were to have a carb binge one day, you would expect FBG to be higher the next morning, right? If that same nameless person were to eat, say, <30g carbs the next day, would you expect FBG to still be high the morning after that?
In my first 6 months of eating VLC a single carb binge would affect my BG for up to 2 weeks and I would follow a binge with under 5 g/day until I was back to normal. Now a carb binge takes 3-5 days to get back to normal, depending on how bad it was. I stopped taking insulin a while back, so if I eat excessive carbs, I have to inject again and I'll need to inject for those 3-5 days (less and less each day) before I can get back off the meds.
Okay, good to know I'm not the only one with this reaction. I stopped taking diabetes meds back in June/July of 2016 and really do not want to go back on them. Seems like I just need to kick myself in the *kitten* and stop the stupid sabotage sessions!
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Good explanation.
We're all different on how high we bounce and how quickly we rebound. Actually, the variations are wide enough to fit an entire sub through sideways.
My tips, keep or toss..
1. Test frequently and diligently, and repeat apparent aberrant results right away.
2. Eat sugarless candy that gives you, er, laxative effects.
3. Keep your electrolytes flowing when you finally emerge from the loo.
Thanks for the tips @RalfLott. Come to think of it, I seem to crave carbs more when my electrolytes are low, so #3 may be highly beneficial!1 -
MyriiStorm wrote: »PaleoInScotland wrote: »MyriiStorm wrote: »Question for all you smart people: if someone (who shall remain nameless) were to have a carb binge one day, you would expect FBG to be higher the next morning, right? If that same nameless person were to eat, say, <30g carbs the next day, would you expect FBG to still be high the morning after that?
In my first 6 months of eating VLC a single carb binge would affect my BG for up to 2 weeks and I would follow a binge with under 5 g/day until I was back to normal. Now a carb binge takes 3-5 days to get back to normal, depending on how bad it was. I stopped taking insulin a while back, so if I eat excessive carbs, I have to inject again and I'll need to inject for those 3-5 days (less and less each day) before I can get back off the meds.
Okay, good to know I'm not the only one with this reaction. I stopped taking diabetes meds back in June/July of 2016 and really do not want to go back on them. Seems like I just need to kick myself in the *kitten* and stop the stupid sabotage sessions!
Yeah part of me wants to just toss my insulin pens so that I don't have that crutch anymore, but there are also times when i need to go back to it because stress or a cold virus pushes up my BG and those are things I can't control as easily.0 -
My FBG doesn't seem to make much sense.
When I am losing my FBG seems to better reflect how I have eaten over the last day. It was lower then (usually high 4s or 80s) and if I ate a lot, or higher carb the night before, it went up.
Now that I am not longer losing? FBG is my highest reading of the day and does not reflect my day before much. I just don't get it. I had a bit of a carb binge on Xmas. I was out of ketosis for a few days. No question about it. For days my FBG was at it's lowest it has been in months.... Of course PP readings were higher though. LOL Not worth the trade off.
I tend to have high growth hormone ((IGF-1) though. To the point of being checked for pituitary problems. My situation may not be typical.2 -
@MyriiStorm The only way to know is to track.
I honestly don't remember what my BG was the day after my pizza and cinnamon roll fest. (Somewhere in the vicinity of 3-400 carbs in a single meal). I'm sure it wasn't above 115 - but I don't recall if it was higher than the average for that week.
My BG is controlled well enough that FBG isn't much of an issue for me, but it is typically more susceptible to trends than to single incidents. @nvmomketo If I've been eating maintenance calories (or slightly above) but the same carb level I tend to be in the 95-115 range. If I've been eating below maintenance calories I tend to run 75-95.
Since I'm at the weight I want to stay, I let myself splurge a bit on calories over the holidays. My FBG had been in the 95-115 range since mid-December. I went back to slightly below maintenance on Sunday. Here's my FBG starting Sunday: 103, 93, 99, 96, 88, 90, 87. So the increase from my 3-week calorie, but not carb, splurge went back to baseline in 4 days.
That isn't exactly the question you were asking @MyriiStorm - but I knew what to expect based on the tracking I've been doing, and it seems to be related to @nvmomketo 's observations.
(FWIW - as long as my calories are on the low side & I don't consume more than 20 net grams of carb in a single 2-hour period by BG behaves. Your body may work differently - which is the reason I push tracking. Knowledge is power!)1 -
That's it exactly.
Phinney says he never suggests that anyone follow his lead who's not his clone or identical twin. (He's pretty sure he doesn't have an identical twin.....)0 -
@neohdiver thanks for the insight. I've been under stress lately (family drama) and had a sore throat, both of which have contributed, I'm sure. I'll have to keep a closer eye on how many carbs I ingest per meal, rather than just per day. The good news is that my FBG was 109 this morning, so I'm on the right track again.
It's all a learning experience, and I'm so grateful to have this forum as a resource!3
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