jvcinv wrote: »

brendagaudette wrote: »

Thanks...Yes fasting is good for improving your cholesterol...So I'm sure by doing a water fast it will still help, I've been water fasting once a week for 4 months...How long are you going for? Mine are usually for 38-40 hours long

Off topic but when you added your weekly water fast did it increase your rate of weight loss.

I will answer this on my journal

@blambo61 I believe LCHF diets are just fine. Nonetheless, I think one needs to be careful about statements regarding high fat vs highly-saturated fat. Can we stipulate that peer-reviewed research studies should be the basis of our discussion?

I want to address the basic contention of your thesis about LCHF, that "LCHF improves blood panels", and "a lot of people who have improved their blood panel on a LCHF diet" - which I do not disagree with! I honestly believe that we have been led into left field by low-fat injunctives. There is nothing wrong with fat and indeed I love it! But there are a lot of researchers a lot smarter than I am on this issue.

Therefore, I performed a simple search of peer-reviewed research, "peer-reviewed research saturated fat effect on cholesterol", and in the first paper I sampled, I read the abstract. It says:
"Replacement of saturated fat by polyunsaturated or monounsaturated fat lowers both LDL and HDL cholesterol."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2824150/

And if you read further down in that paper, you will find that substitution of saturated fat by fat that is high in alpha-linolenic acid has the most benefit. The research says choose fats that are lower-saturated but also higher in alpha-linolenic (i.e. omega-3!!!) fatty acids. The chart above helps do this.

In summary, I believe there is substantial evidence that saturated fats aren't all that good for you.

Edit: I checked out the definition of MCT. "Medium chain triglycerides, a form of saturated fatty acid". It seems if you want saturated fat, MCT is the one to choose.

I know the limitations of arguing from "samples of one," but we all have our own experiences, which tend us to believe and thus act one way or another. I love full fat cream -- not half and half, and certainly not skim milk -- in my morning coffee. It satisfies me but does not spark my hunger. Like Bob with coconut oil, if I'm feeling a little peckish I may occasionally also have a decaf coffee in the afternoon, also with full fat cream. The richness satisfies enough to tide me over to dinner. Again, that's just me; others will have a different experience. Although I don't do low carb, I do eat a lot of high fat dairy in cream and cheese, and I am fond of bacon, chicken with the skin on, and a well marbled steak, too. So, @blambo61, I was pleased (if somewhat astonished) when I got the results of my annual physical a couple of weeks ago. Not only was my blood sugar fine, but my cholesterol levels were, as the doc put it, "fabulous." That doesn't mean I'm going to go from one reasonably sized serving of steak a week to four, or eat a pound of bacon and a round of cheese for dinner, or, for that matter, replace the cream in my coffee with butter and coconut oil. But it's gratifying to know that intermittent fasting in maintenance can yield good results, at least for this OMADer.

heart disease its early stages start to settle in since childhood, autopsies performed on children as young as 10 year old shows fatty streaks already forming in their arteries

cholesterol/saturated fat contained in all animal products and vegetable oils in the diet cause damage to the endothelial cells in the arteries

the good news is that the number one killer in the western world not only can be stopped in his tracks but actually reversed with a whole food plant based diet, no other intervention can actually reverse the condition

around 735 000 people in the US alone suffer a heart attack every year according to the CDC

coconut oil is also great for oil pulling your teeth, also great as a skin facial...it removes wrinkles yeah! quite nice with black coffee but I can manage my fasts without it

So ran a pr 5k today (27:14) on a hilly course while fasted with the exception of 1-scoop of UCAN superstarch eaten about 45-min before the race and 1-tsp of coconut oil 35-min before the race. My cool down after the race was over a min/mile faster than normal also. I've ran a few 5ks recently with just the starch and felt I was still bonking about 2-miles into the race. I'm convinced the coconut oil was the difference. Ran well last year with just 1-tsp of coconut oil just before the race while having fasted up tell then (races are at 4:30 pm). This stuff is high octane fuel for when fasted!