Fiber - friend or foe? Here's something for everybody
RalfLott
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Jeff Volek raised the interesting idea that people in ketosis might not need as much fiber as folks eating a high-carb diet. The gut and colon thrive on butyrate, a short-chain fatty acid produced when fiber is consumed in the gut.
But perhaps the gut can just as well use liver-produced beta-hydroxybutyrate (ketone). Looking at it from the other direction, HC eaters may need more fiber because their diet inhibits the body's own production of ketones.
He cautions that the research is just getting going, and the subject is enormously complex. But perhaps there's some common ground for fiber-fans and -phobes after all...
https://youtu.be/PbGYqA1Uryw
But perhaps the gut can just as well use liver-produced beta-hydroxybutyrate (ketone). Looking at it from the other direction, HC eaters may need more fiber because their diet inhibits the body's own production of ketones.
He cautions that the research is just getting going, and the subject is enormously complex. But perhaps there's some common ground for fiber-fans and -phobes after all...
https://youtu.be/PbGYqA1Uryw 5
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Or.... you could just drink this:
coca-colacompany.com/stories/coca-cola-fortified-with-dietary-fiber-to-launch-in-japan
I guess there's more stupid people out there yet....
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Fiber is my friend for sure; low carb or not.4
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I think the amount of fiber one consumes, like carbs, is going to depend on the person. It's a good read though and it may help some who are considering lower their fiber intake.1
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canadjineh wrote: »I guess there's more stupid people out there yet....
I'm having a hard time with this comment. I'll just let it go with the thought that your reference of "stupid people" relates perhaps to the Coca Cola R&D or Marketing Departments.
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canadjineh wrote: »I guess there's more stupid people out there yet....
I'm having a hard time with this comment. I'll just let it go with the thought that your reference of "stupid people" relates perhaps to the Coca Cola R&D or Marketing Departments.
That's how I saw it. And maybe that choosing a high fiber cola could ever be a better choice than any real food fiber source.
I think it goes with that easy fix, use food like products who's label suggests health benefits instead of food and it's gonna make me all better mindset.1 -
But is it organic?3
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I hope it proves to be true because there is so much said about fiber and cholestorol, fiber and constipation, fiber and heart health. In my experience low carb high fat has digestive benefits that a high fiber diet including grains didn't have. But it could be se benefits were from higher salt and absence of grains, not necessarily less fiber, so it will be interesting to follow this.1
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canadjineh wrote: »Or.... you could just drink this:
coca-colacompany.com/stories/coca-cola-fortified-with-dietary-fiber-to-launch-in-japan
I guess there's more stupid people out there yet....
Hmm. I've got a wood pile termites are merrily turning into dust (cellulose) that could bulk up the fiber content of gasoline.
(Speedway Hi-Trot with Fiber+
More Regular Than "Regular!")3 -
canadjineh wrote: »I guess there's more stupid people out there yet....
I'm having a hard time with this comment. I'll just let it go with the thought that your reference of "stupid people" relates perhaps to the Coca Cola R&D or Marketing Departments.
Yep
Sorry it wasn't very clear, lol.0 -
Actually, I can relate to the stupid reference. Marketing departments don't operate in a vacuum. It only works when consumers respond to marketing claims. We all have a responsibility to educate ourselves about how what we consume affects our health.I'm having a hard time with this comment. I'll just let it go with the thought that your reference of "stupid people" relates perhaps to the Coca Cola R&D or Marketing Departments.
Anyone who buys the line this product is a healthy choice without reflecting on the basis of the claim or considering how it relates to their personal dietary needs is probably naive at best.
I'm not convinced that the biggest problem with artificially sweetened carbonated beverages is the lack of dietary fibre. I'd also question if the best way to fix it is to add an indigestible hydrolyzed starch that does not occur naturally in unprocessed foods.
I see a place for fortified foods and supplements to overcome specific deficiencies that cannot be addressed by changes to our base diet for whatever reason. I'm just reluctant to resort to additives before I've explored more natural sources.1 -
I was just attempting to divert the reference of "stupid people" away from individuals who may try it. People use many products for many different reasons. There are many who may think our choice of limiting carbohydrates or eating higher fat is a "stupid" idea but that hopefully doesn't make us "stupid".
I have no problem with Coca Cola as it relates to this product or their R&D/Marketing. They have found what they believe to be a niche market, have expanded their product line accordingly in an effort to increase market share and return higher dividends to their shareholders. That's what corporations do. The product will either yield a profit or a loss. Who knows. If a success, we may see it in the USA or elsewhere in time and each of us can choose to use it. Or not.
It was just the term "stupid people". I'm a bit sensitive to the words. I over reacted to the term. Its just me. A sensitivity. Like refering to people as "idiots" or "morons". Carry on.1 -
Hmm. I don't see any reason to give Coke the benefit of the doubt in any marketing campaign.
What looks like carbonated water spiked with sawdust today may be the vegetable in tomorrow's school lunch....
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Could be. Most likely not. The product is targeted to a population over 40 years of age and introduced in Japan due to the large percentage of people in that age bracket. Perhaps one has to provide an ID in order to purchase.
Those who own stock in Coca Cola Company are hoping to lean back, prop their feet up and have a Coke and a Smile. 1 -
Let's be honest; haven't we all, at some time or another, been the victims of 'hype'...? There are those, I am sure, who would - and do - accuse those who advocate LCHF, to equally be victims... So let' not knock the consumer. Let's knock the 'Leap onto the bandwagon, get-rich-quick on the gullibility of a keen public' merchants....
The woman in this video, is actually an actress. But everything she is putting forward, is verbatim from an actual marketing Executive, who changed his job, because he could not ethically continue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKTORFmMycQ 1 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Let's be honest; haven't we all, at some time or another, been the victims of 'hype'...? There are those, I am sure, who would - and do - accuse those who advocate LCHF, to equally be victims... So let' not knock the consumer. Let's knock the 'Leap onto the bandwagon, get-rich-quick on the gullibility of a keen public' merchants....
The woman in this video, is actually an actress. But everything she is putting forward, is verbatim from an actual marketing Executive, who changed his job, because he could not ethically continue.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKTORFmMycQ
I know I have. And I was stupid. In that I thought a company trying to sell me something was looking out for ME.2 -
@Sunny_Bunny_ we've all done it. We've all been there.
The Company I work for actually understands that honest transparency is better in the long run, even if it does make you some enemies and loses you some followers.
we recently had an issue in production of dairy products brought to our attention by investigative journalism, and we have since that exposé, taken matters into our own hands to remedy the matter and prevent it from re-occuring.
It's cost the company money, but those who make the decisions deem it money well lost....4 -
It's been proven that making a mistake once in a while as a company, but fixing it, gets you happier customers than never making mistakes at all. Somehow we see the company that makes corrections in a kindlier light and take the other 'perfect record' company for granted. Human nature.2
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We had been under the impression that a handful of farms, raising livestock that produces our milk, was using Humane and acceptable methods of cattle-rearing. The farms had been selected, after different applications, with this in mind.
We employ inspectors to regularly visit these establishments (dairies, production lines and farms), but to our horror, a couple 'slipped through the net'.
However, once the situation was brought to our attention (not, I would hasten to add, that I had anything remotely to do with it) we implemented an immediate strategy, working with the concerned parties, and changed the working practice.
It's still a 'happening thing' but those in charge, in my company, want, and expect quick results.
In the meantime, customers were kept abreast of progress, which they could, in any case, verify.1 -
canadjineh wrote: »It's been proven that making a mistake once in a while as a company, but fixing it, gets you happier customers than never making mistakes at all. Somehow we see the company that makes corrections in a kindlier light and take the other 'perfect record' company for granted. Human nature.
Aha! So that's what United must be thinking.... or at least hoping.2
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