Sleep and low carb success
Tsoufla
Posts: 30 Member
I have low carbed on and off for many years, but in the last few years I have yo yo'd more than I like to admit... I'm beginning to realize that stress and the resulting sleep disturbances have caused increased sugar cravings as well as increased hunger.... I find that it has triggered binges, due to pure fatigue. When I sleep better, I find I have better control.
I'm looking to see how i may improve sleep quality, in order to be able to stay focussed and centred.
Has anyone else experienced this?
I'm looking to see how i may improve sleep quality, in order to be able to stay focussed and centred.
Has anyone else experienced this?
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I use a topical magnesium right before bed, it cleared up all my too-stressed-to-sleep issues.1
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I don't use topical magnesium, but I did start supplementing with magnesium after starting keto and I feel my sleep has definitely improved.0
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Have you been checked for sleep apnea? I didnt think I had it but my doc had me go for a sleep study anyway. Got the shock of my life when it came back that I did have it. From the time my machine was delivered my life has changed! Including easy adherence to the ketogenic lifestyle2
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Thanks for your replies everyone. I haven't ever supplemented with magnesium, but I will definitely look into it... Especially since it is a mineral rather than a prescription sleep aid.
Catawompous- no I haven't ever been tested for sleep apnea... I don't think that I snore... unless I have a cold, and I'm sleeping on my back.... but you never know. I will ask my dr about it....
Sometimes i am not asleep until well after 1:00 am and I wake up before the sun comes up in the morning... Then I feel just tired and ravenous.0 -
Get your sleep schedule fixed. I will throw another vote in to get the 3 main electrolytes: sodium, potassium, and magnesium in line as well. Having elevated levels of cortisol increases stress, and stress increases corisol. It's a negative feedback cycle that you don't want which will manifest in things like disturbed sleep, increased hunger, lethargy/fatigue, general malaise, etc...
It sounds like woo, but circadian rhythm does play a large part in maintaining a healthy metabolism. So all the usual recommendations of staying away from electronic/blue light at night 1-2 hours before bed, sleeping at least 7+ hours, eat with the sun from larger to smaller if you still follow a 3 meal/day schedule.2 -
Okay, my post is going to seem really far-fetched and out there possibly to the point of being labeled as eye-rolling "Woo" by some; however, I have to point out the fact this this really is based in science (think of it as a combination of ancient Chinese acupressure and modern psychology)!
Even when I was at my heaviest of roughly 300 pounds, I'd NEVER had any problems or issues with binge eating. I've been Keto for 3 years (beginning of my 4th year is right around the corner here coming up quick on 09/01). Successfully eliminated 167 pounds. Successfully transitioned over into weight-maintenance. Absolutely mastered not only how to lose weight on Keto but how to keep my weight stable (something I'd never been able to do before). Also learned a friggin' ton about health, nutrition and exercise along the way (we have such an awesome group!). Recently got the ultimate payback of awesome cholesterol levels/numbers from my last blood draw (3 years worth of hard-work finally paying off)!
ENTER MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF STRESS AND ANXIETY! In the past 4-6 months, I've been experiencing and dealing with an absolutely insane amount of stress and anxiety in connection with my work place and life to the point where it was triggering binge eating episodes for me (WTF??)!! This was, obviously, quite distressing to me for many reasons, the most important one being that eating too many carbs/sugars causes the neuropathy in my feet to flare up = physical PAIN!! YOUCH!!
I couldn't figure out why the bingeing was happening and there were times I felt like I had absolutely no control over it either no matter what I tried. Roughly 2 months ago out of sheer desperation I purchased an online course about "EFT Tapping" of all things which I'd never previously even heard about with the hopes that it could help rectify this awful situation. In all honesty, I didn't know if it would help or not but I had to do something because everything else I tried on my own, failed. A couple of weeks ago, I began tapping specifically on my stress and anxiety issues EVERY DAY and I have seen such a HUGE improvement with regard to how much they affect me and how I respond to them it's insane in a good way! What's even stranger (better) is that since the Tapping has allowed me to rein in the stress/anxiety, the bingeing has also suddenly ceased as in literally overnight!!!! Again WTF??!! Are our minds really that powerful? Why yes, yes they are!
Anyway, my reason for posting this is to point out that there may be underlying emotional and/or psychological issues going on which are the root cause of the problems you are experiencing which you may also be completely unaware of. Just like Keto/LCHF isn't right for everyone (that is to say, we all learn to tweak it to fit our needs/our bodies), cut and dried answers don't always work for everyone all the time either. You have to find what works for you. Try different things. Take what you need and leave the rest.
Nick and Jessica Ortner have a Tapping 101 section on their website which does a good job of explaining what it is, how it works and how to do it:
https://www.thetappingsolution.com/tapping-101/
I did not purchase their program. I ended up buying someone else's program; however, it is Jessica's audio recordings in connection to stress and anxiety which have done wonders for me. I simply cannot recommend her recordings highly enough! I've already released some of the weight I'd gained back from the bingeing (I'd regained 20-25 pounds). Keto is great that way. I was never worried that I'd have trouble releasing the weight gain since Keto makes that practically effortless on my part, but now that the bingeing/stress/anxiety issues are finally, firmly under control, the only thing I regret is not trying out Tapping sooner! I am so grateful to have my footing restored to me (no pun intended) and be back on solid ground emotionally/psychologically too!! Hope this information helps!5 -
Thank you Ladipoet for a very thoughtful and informative response.
I have heard of EFT before but haven't ever investigated it. I will try to learn about it, and thank you for providing the link.
What I can say is that this last binge episode was a complete out of body experience.... I don't know what came over me, even as I was doing it, I knew it was so wrong.... I wasn't tasting the food or feeling any satisfaction from eating it.... it was like i felt I had to do it.... It really scared me...
I do firmly believe that our psychology is more than half the battle.... it's being able to get there.
So thank you again for sharing your experience.1 -
@Tsoufla I have discussed in the past, the year (2015) that I engaged in bingeing. The odd thing for me is this was during maintenance. It was not a "darn, I ate 6 cookies" type of thing. It was as you indicated above-out of body, not tasting, not feeling. 1 bite of ice cream, lead to a serving, lead to a cup, lead to finally just standing in the kitchen with the tub and spoon in hand eating every single bit. Seemingly no ability to stop nor any interests in stopping. It ultimately led to stuffing the empty containing into a bag and trashing it at a public trash container other then my own with the foolish fear that my husband would rummage through the garbage and find the empty container. What followed was driving to the grocery store to replace what I had just eaten. Upon returning home, removing what I though had originally be eaten before I started binge eating it. The goal of making it look as though I had not eaten ANY of it.
Been there. It is frightening. I was the ripe old age of 61 and had never before engaged in true binge eating but there I was. Bingeing, hiding the evidence. Certainly behaviors I had never before experienced.
I so wish I could find the TedTalk video that helped me. It is posted in this forum somewhere but I was not able to find it here or on TedTalk to post if for you. The main point it made for me was that restriction (speaker called it prohibition) creates desire. Restriction or prohibition is a lack of freedom. We desire freedom. We have a right to freedom. We have choices. Choices give us freedom. We have freedom to choose and choosing NOT to eat something is indeed a choice. Choosing not to eat something is indeed a choice.
Another thing I found helpful was the book The Hungry Brain: Outsmarting the Instincts that Make Us Overeat . We are constantly bombarded in our environment with cues to eat that have nothing to do with hunger. TV commercials lead us to the kitchen. Billboards of enticing food lead us onto the exit ramp to get a Big Mac. Peanuts on the kitchen counter are a cue to eat. Convenience store counters are cluttered with impulse foods. The list is never ending.
I've been fine for over a year. (knocking on wood). I have a "clean" food environment. I have learned to ignore environmental cues or change my behavior to the stimuli. I can eat anything I want. I have a choice. I have the freedom to choose. Nothing is prohibited. I make the choice to not eat many things. I have that choice. I have that freedom. When I eliminated the restriction, the prohibition...I lost interest in the highly palatable foods that are so heavily marketed by major manufacturers and so often related binge eating.
I hope this long post helps someone.5 -
Adding: Stephan Guyenet is the author of The Hungry Brain (mentioned above). Several of his interviews and videos are on youtube if someone wants to watch them.
One other thing that has helped me is taking my focus off weight and placing my focus on health and nutrition. Food is not entertainment. Food is not comfort. Food is for hunger. Food is medicine. Food is nutrition.2 -
Thank you Ladipoet for a very thoughtful and informative response.
I have heard of EFT before but haven't ever investigated it. I will try to learn about it, and thank you for providing the link.
What I can say is that this last binge episode was a complete out of body experience.... I don't know what came over me, even as I was doing it, I knew it was so wrong.... I wasn't tasting the food or feeling any satisfaction from eating it.... it was like i felt I had to do it.... It really scared me...
I do firmly believe that our psychology is more than half the battle.... it's being able to get there.
So thank you again for sharing your experience.
No problem @Tsoufla! And you are so totally preaching to the choir on this one. I absolutely understand what you are going through because I've been there myself!1 -
@Tsoufla, I found the old thread that has the video. The video is on page 2 of the thread but there are some interesting ideas throughout so I chose to link the whole thing.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10524837/i-need-tips-on-how-to-deal-with-cravings/p2
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Wow, there's a lot of great info on this thread! I just want to highlight the cortisol issue some more. My doctor had me do a cortisol test, which showed higher than normal levels at night. I also had a lot of trouble falling asleep and staying asleep.
I started taking phosphorylated serine (brand name Seriphos), a non-prescription supplement designed to lower cortisol, and within two days was falling asleep easier and waking fewer times in the middle of the night. It may be worth asking your doctor about.3 -
MyriiStorm wrote: »Wow, there's a lot of great info on this thread! I just want to highlight the cortisol issue some more. My doctor had me do a cortisol test, which showed higher than normal levels at night. I also had a lot of trouble falling asleep and staying asleep.
I started taking phosphorylated serine (brand name Seriphos), a non-prescription supplement designed to lower cortisol, and within two days was falling asleep easier and waking fewer times in the middle of the night. It may be worth asking your doctor about.
Wow! What all did the cortisol test involve?0 -
@kpk54 -wow thank you for sharing your story.
Thank you also for taking the time to write a very thoughtful and informative post and then finding the link to the videos for me. That is so helpful. I am definitely going to sit down and listen to them... as well as look into the book.
Enjoy your weekend!0 -
@MyriiStorm - thank you for your response. I have been meaning to get a hormone panel done... I've been putting it off actually....I think it may be time.
I have had cortisol tested before and it seems to be in an ok range..who knows though, it's been 2 years since i had it done. Glad you were able to find some help for your sleep issues.1 -
MyriiStorm wrote: »Wow, there's a lot of great info on this thread! I just want to highlight the cortisol issue some more. My doctor had me do a cortisol test, which showed higher than normal levels at night. I also had a lot of trouble falling asleep and staying asleep.
I started taking phosphorylated serine (brand name Seriphos), a non-prescription supplement designed to lower cortisol, and within two days was falling asleep easier and waking fewer times in the middle of the night. It may be worth asking your doctor about.
Wow! What all did the cortisol test involve?
It's a saliva test. It just involved drooling into vials at four specified times during the day.2
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