I know that personally, my love of heavy cream did me in. Not because of calories or dairy, I don't think. Does your LOL brand have carrageenan in it? That's a very inflammatory food... I found that total nutrient density mattered, nutrients to support any outlying health conditions or weaknesses may be present, etc,

Lunch meats can have a lot of additives. The hemp hearts are FAB nutrition...

I find that focusing on the protein and letting the fats fall where they do, while keeping carbs low is helping me...instead of focusing on trying to keep fats super high...

Reduce the fat. Don't add butter to ground beef. It's already very high fat. If you eat that you don't need any more fat.
It's ok to pull skin off chicken.
Try half n half for your coffee and don't drink it straight.
You have fat on your body you want to use but you are consuming enough fat so that it doesn't need to.

It's not the high fat that makes low carb work. It's the low carb.
It's fine to cook lean meat and veggies in fats but you don't need to add any to your plate. Eat all the meat you want. Protein isn't a problem for a weight loss keto diet. Don't limit it.
You will add extra fat back in when you want to show it stop weight loss.

@Sunny_Bunny_ Do you know what PSMF stands for in that infographic?

River_Goddess wrote: »

@Sunny_Bunny_ Do you know what PSMF stands for in that infographic?

Protein-Sparing Modified Fast.

I didn't know either, I Googled it.

Could you give an indication of what you have read or seen, and where, please?

(ETA: That sounds' challenging'. It's not intended to be. It would just be nice to be able to rectify the impression this previous information, gave you.... )

Catawampous wrote: »

I don't think the advice has changed. I remember you and some of your questions. I think your needs have changed which has changed the advice. You are in a totally different place than you were. When I first started I ate all the fat too. Then as my body changed and my needs changed I had to lower the fat to continue losing. Remember it is fat to satiety. When you first start you are hungry and adjusting still. Once you have done that you need to rein the fat in to continue to lose.

Hope that helps

So what you are saying is that you re-evaluated your intake based on your current weight and reduced fat to decrease calories OR did you shift the calories to protein (or carbs) and continue to lose on the same amount of calories?

kpk54 wrote: »

Catawampous wrote: »

I don't think the advice has changed. I remember you and some of your questions. I think your needs have changed which has changed the advice. You are in a totally different place than you were. When I first started I ate all the fat too. Then as my body changed and my needs changed I had to lower the fat to continue losing. Remember it is fat to satiety. When you first start you are hungry and adjusting still. Once you have done that you need to rein the fat in to continue to lose.

Hope that helps

So what you are saying is that you re-evaluated your intake based on your current weight and reduced fat to decrease calories OR did you shift the calories to protein (or carbs) and continue to lose on the same amount of calories?

The first one! Reduced fat to decrease calories. If I hadn't adjusted my calories down I would have remained stalled I think.

collegefbfan wrote: »

Well, a friend of ours (my wife and I), has lost 105 pounds and decreased her 6 medications down to one using the ketogenic diet. I know that every person's body is different. I lost roughly 40-45 pounds from last August until January or February of this year. Been roughly maintaining ever since. As far as readings and info goes, the ketogenic websites, the doctor at the ketogenic conference I went to a few nights ago. He said that he eats almost 85% fat. I was doing so well last year at this time. Actually, my September 2016 diary shows this on MFP. I was actually eating around 1600-1700 calories a day, plenty of fat, and very few carbs. I stayed away from rice, pasta, sugary sauces, no soft drinks, no white flour, no cakes, no pies, etc. My ketones were in a good range, blood sugar was in the 80's, blood pressure was fine, and triglycerides went way down, as did cholesterol. I talked to a lot of people on here that helped out tremendously with great advice and information. So, this year, probably starting in May, I just wasn't hungry in the morning. So, I didn't eat until noon or 1:00 pm. I will say the vacation in Mexico in July was a cheat so to speak. I probably gained 8 pounds over the summer, (I am a teacher), Mexico cheats included in that 8 pounds. I lost it very quickly. My lowest has been 217 pounds, but that is early morning. Been stuck at 220 though. Now, the information that we all discussed last year seems to have changed. People said get the fats, don't be scared of the fats, etc. Now, people are saying protein, eat your protein, and let fat fall where it may. Then, the What Do Your Low Carb Meals Look Like, has people eating butter, bacon, rib-eyes, veggies covered in butter, ghee, cheese, etc. That sounds like more fat in some cases. I am going to check out the Eric Berg videos.

Thanks for all the help. I am just mixed up because it seems the info we all discussed last year has changed somewhat to this year. This is why I am confused. Thanks again.

The advice is not different. I recall you won the weight loss challenge last year. So you had not hit a stall. That's why no one was recommending you reduce fat. Now you have stopped losing and are asking what to adjust. If you want to use bodyfat for fuel, you will have to supply less of it from your plate.

The doctor you mention, is he trying to lose weight? If not, his 85% fat intake isn't relevant to you with a weight loss goal. When you are done losing weight, you will need to eat more fat just like the doctor. You are not the same as him yet.
People like to drink Bulletproof coffee because Dave Asprey does and it's keto. Well, Dave Asprey is in weight maintenance. He's already lost his weight.
The best example of eating very very high fat and restricting protein is Jimmy Moore. He's been keto for over 10 years. He's still terribly insulin resistant. He's never achieved a normal weight and he's been gaining weight back. Quite a lot in fact. My guess is that his BMR is crazy low from muscle loss from all those years of low protein and extended fasting. A lot of good it's done him!
As a matter of fact, quite a lot of the people I'm familiar with that advocate limited protein and very very high fat intake, while they have made great progress toward overall health and even significant weight loss, remain overweight and continue to discuss current insulin resistance and blood sugar issues.
In my experience, these people state that they don't lose weight if they eat more protein. The assumption is that it "kicks them out of ketosis" and stops them from burning fat.
I also learned this low protein, very very high fat version of what's actually a medically therapeutic keto diet, not a weight loss one, and I also stopped losing scale weight when I increased protein and lowered fat. But that's when I actually list the most bodyfat! The only way I can explain it is that I finally had enough protein to repair and maybe even replace my lost muscle from undereating protein. Since I gained 2 pounds but lost so much fat, it really makes me wonder what I actually lost with that first 25 pounds of scale weight!!!!

Well said, @Sunny_Bunny_ . I understand the op's confusion. I belong to a couple of Keto FB groups and they give conflicting advice. One says moderate protein and more, more, more fat. Another says higher protein, less fat. It's hard to know what will work best for your body.

Dear @Sunny_Bunny_ please write a book just for me.
I am an idiot and crave super idiot-simple counsel just like yours.
Thank you.