Finally got to listen.
Diabetic discussion is super interesting.
Even more interesting, protein talk starts about 40:39. Marty starts reading the article. 44:50ish begins the response.

My TLDL (Too Long, Didn't Listen) for the protein convo: Which I admit is still pretty dang long but you know me.

Gluconeogenesis and ketosis are designed to occur simultaneously. Because the body does require some glucose. So in its absence, the body is looking for something to breakdown to supply that. Better to get enough than too little so that dietary protein is used instead of catabolizing muscle. But in the event protein is broken down, the glucose result is negligible according to the researcher. In studies, 60g of protein only outputs 2g of glucose. 60g of protein would be like almost 7oz of chicken breast. 2g of glucose.

According to these guys, the literature bears out that a completely sedentary person, in order to avoid muscle loss, needs 1.2g of protein per kg of bodyweight. An active person requires a range from 1.4-2.2g per kg of bodyweight, depending upon activity level and personal variation.

So we can look at this with mine. I'm currently about 74kg. With the sedentary multiplier would be 88g of protein to preserve muscle. I'm active though, so we can pretend I'm only a little active. So that would be 104g ish. (According to studies, I'm not eating enough protein regularly. YIKES!) Anyway, let's pretend I broke all that protein down via gluconeogensis. Assuming what this researcher says is true: How much glucose would my ENTIRE day produce... 3.34g of glucose. That's not enough to kick anybody out of anything.

Let's pretend it is enough though. What does that mean? First ask, why are you doing keto? If it's for any other reason than to treat a neurological disorder, then IT DOESN'T MATTER. You burn your glucose; your body needs more; you go back into ketosis. You intake too much energy, and you can't burn more, you aren't going to lose weight anyway. More ketones are more ketones; less are less. Enough is enough. No trophy for higher ketone levels here.

Also, exogenous ketones are basically useless unless you are an ultramarathoner or have epilepsy, and so are nothing but an agent to fleece you of your money and give you expensive pee. Too many ketones will inhibit lipolysis (fat burning) as ketones are bumped to the top of the queue above both fat and glucose in burning order. Which is why it's not really the best thing for a ketoer pursuing weight loss to chase higher ketones. Energy has to be burned or stored. Extra ketones are going to interfere with burning body fat.

My quick jot in summary of the protein discussion. Lots more neat science in there.
You should probably listen.

It's not saying ketosis is worthless. It's not saying that it isn't a useful tool. They are just measuring up "keto rhetoric" against biochemistry. And that it's better to eat more protein, than too little. And to stop worrying about the G-word unless it's medically necessary for you to do so.

Thoughts?

What did I skip?